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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby turbotong » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:46 pm

SchopenhauerFTW wrote:
turbotong wrote:JD/MSEE = IP secure

Sounds legit. Care to say more?

I was half joking...
The only reason why qualified patent don't have the same difficulty as everyone else is because there are so few qualified candidates. Most people with an EE/CS degree or an MS(chem/bio/physics) find satisfactory jobs in other fields and never go to law school.
See my comments here for what you need to do to earn your BS.EE degree from scratch
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=170691
Then keep in mind that MSEE = BSEE + 2 years of full time study w/ thesis.

I talked to a hiring partner from Baker Botts. He said there are roughly 25-35 2L's every year who satisfy these hiring conditions at OCI:
1) T14-ish
2) Top cut off percent per school (varies)
3) Have MS(science) or BS(EE/CS/CompE)
If you consider the fact that this is probably the same criteria that most V100 firms (assume 50-60 firms have a patent practice that want to recruit) have for hiring a guy into patent practice, there is still almost a 2:1 firm to candidate ratio. This is probably why firms then relax their standards some and go grab a few guys outside this range...

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby r6_philly » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:02 am

turbotong wrote:I talked to a hiring partner from Baker Botts. He said there are roughly 25-35 2L's every year who satisfy these hiring conditions at OCI:
1) T14-ish
2) Top cut off percent per school (varies)
3) Have MS(science) or BS(EE/CS/CompE)
If you consider the fact that this is probably the same criteria that most V100 firms (assume 50-60 firms have a patent practice that want to recruit) have for hiring a guy into patent practice, there is still almost a 2:1 firm to candidate ratio. This is probably why firms then relax their standards some and go grab a few guys outside this range...


That would be awesome if this is accurate. I think I am the only software guy in my class as far as I know, so it probably is on the supply side. I just hope it is true on the demand side.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby bdubs » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:42 am

r6_philly wrote:
turbotong wrote:I talked to a hiring partner from Baker Botts. He said there are roughly 25-35 2L's every year who satisfy these hiring conditions at OCI:
1) T14-ish
2) Top cut off percent per school (varies)
3) Have MS(science) or BS(EE/CS/CompE)
If you consider the fact that this is probably the same criteria that most V100 firms (assume 50-60 firms have a patent practice that want to recruit) have for hiring a guy into patent practice, there is still almost a 2:1 firm to candidate ratio. This is probably why firms then relax their standards some and go grab a few guys outside this range...


That would be awesome if this is accurate. I think I am the only software guy in my class as far as I know, so it probably is on the supply side. I just hope it is true on the demand side.


I've heard software background is much less marketable than hardware background. Not sure if that is true, but it makes some sense.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby 09042014 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:04 am

r6_philly wrote:
turbotong wrote:I talked to a hiring partner from Baker Botts. He said there are roughly 25-35 2L's every year who satisfy these hiring conditions at OCI:
1) T14-ish
2) Top cut off percent per school (varies)
3) Have MS(science) or BS(EE/CS/CompE)
If you consider the fact that this is probably the same criteria that most V100 firms (assume 50-60 firms have a patent practice that want to recruit) have for hiring a guy into patent practice, there is still almost a 2:1 firm to candidate ratio. This is probably why firms then relax their standards some and go grab a few guys outside this range...


That would be awesome if this is accurate. I think I am the only software guy in my class as far as I know, so it probably is on the supply side. I just hope it is true on the demand side.


Most patent heavy firms recruit from a wider range of schools than just T14. Over a thousand students go to the loyola patent fair.

With decent grades from a T14 you are lock. But without decent grades, they'll just pick the top of the class at the T2 over you.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby turbotong » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:23 am

Desert Fox wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
turbotong wrote:I talked to a hiring partner from Baker Botts. He said there are roughly 25-35 2L's every year who satisfy these hiring conditions at OCI:
1) T14-ish
2) Top cut off percent per school (varies)
3) Have MS(science) or BS(EE/CS/CompE)
If you consider the fact that this is probably the same criteria that most V100 firms (assume 50-60 firms have a patent practice that want to recruit) have for hiring a guy into patent practice, there is still almost a 2:1 firm to candidate ratio. This is probably why firms then relax their standards some and go grab a few guys outside this range...


That would be awesome if this is accurate. I think I am the only software guy in my class as far as I know, so it probably is on the supply side. I just hope it is true on the demand side.


Most patent heavy firms recruit from a wider range of schools than just T14. Over a thousand students go to the loyola patent fair.

With decent grades from a T14 you are lock. But without decent grades, they'll just pick the top of the class at the T2 over you.


Yea, so with a little more on who else is hiring for patent:
1. Majority of NLJ 250
2. Bunch of patent boutiques
This probably produces demand in the upper hundreds.

If Lyola is a representative count of "over a thousand" qualified applicants, you are still only competing against an average of 1-3 other people per spot. Compare this to the legal general body who is qualified for every generic legal job.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby snailio » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:33 am

JD/MBA/MD/CPA/DDS ...a five tool player with discounts for teef whitening.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby BeautifulSW » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:33 am

I actually KNOW a lawyer who is a JD/MD/MBA. I also know a PhD/JD, an EdD/JD, a JD/DDS, and there are a handful of RN/JDs. All are practicing law, none with spectacular success as a result of the additional credential.

The one credential that does seem to add value to a JD is the CPA. Whether the value added is worth the (considerable) effort and expense of obtaining and maintaining the CPA, I couldn't say.

It could be the local market, of course. The El Paso/Las Cruces area isn't tiny but it isn't Phoenix or LA either.

Thing is, you can only really practice one profession at a time.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby IrwinM.Fletcher » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:35 am

BeautifulSW wrote:I actually KNOW a lawyer who is a JD/MD/MBA.


The Buster Bluth of attorneys.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby spleenworship » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:09 pm

Thoughts from people on JD/MPH? Useful, not useful?

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby r6_philly » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:31 pm

bdubs wrote:
I've heard software background is much less marketable than hardware background. Not sure if that is true, but it makes some sense.


This is definitely true. However I can't see software patents going anywhere but up. Besides there are less software people than EE people in law school I think.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby r6_philly » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:34 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Most patent heavy firms recruit from a wider range of schools than just T14. Over a thousand students go to the loyola patent fair.

With decent grades from a T14 you are lock. But without decent grades, they'll just pick the top of the class at the T2 over you.


This makes sense, so what's decent grades? Top half?

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby SehMeSerrious » Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:37 pm

What a master's in language or area studies, or policy, with the goal being to work in foreign policy? That seems to be a pretty common thing for policymakers, but is that just a very selective reading of CVs on my part?
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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby turbotong » Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:38 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Most patent heavy firms recruit from a wider range of schools than just T14. Over a thousand students go to the loyola patent fair.

With decent grades from a T14 you are lock. But without decent grades, they'll just pick the top of the class at the T2 over you.


This makes sense, so what's decent grades? Top half?


Varies by school and firm. (From hearsay) Baker Bott's criteria (from a specific office) was ~top half at Harvard/Stanford dropping down to about top 1/3 of school #14.
You can check out the loyola fair results thread or look at the 2011 OCI results thread for people with IP if you want an idea. Please share with us the results of your findings =)

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby 09042014 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:31 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Most patent heavy firms recruit from a wider range of schools than just T14. Over a thousand students go to the loyola patent fair.

With decent grades from a T14 you are lock. But without decent grades, they'll just pick the top of the class at the T2 over you.


This makes sense, so what's decent grades? Top half?


Yea top half. If you have a really good background, top grades from a good UG, great work experience, etc etc, then some of the prosecution shops will want you even with poor grades.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby 09042014 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:31 pm

r6_philly wrote:
bdubs wrote:
I've heard software background is much less marketable than hardware background. Not sure if that is true, but it makes some sense.


This is definitely true. However I can't see software patents going anywhere but up. Besides there are less software people than EE people in law school I think.


From what I can tell, most firms have EE people doing software patents as well. Since software patents aren't really that complicated.

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Re: Most Marketable Dual Degree

Postby r6_philly » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:35 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Yea top half. If you have a really good background, top grades from a good UG, great work experience, etc etc, then some of the prosecution shops will want you even with poor grades.


I am not totally sold on prosecution. I think I may enjoy the transactional or litigation side more. Do I have to make up my mind by OCI? Can I work in one area during the summer but then look for a permanent job in another should I not like it?

I guess I will strive for good grades to have options.




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