1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Bildungsroman » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:29 pm

Thanks to the weird grading system this school uses, I won't realize just how badly I failed my exams until long after grade are released. Sweet blissful ignorance.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Gecko of Doom » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:38 pm

FeelTheHeat wrote:Don't want to learn contracts. Can I just use reliance for every answer?

This. So much this.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby northwood » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:03 pm

Gecko of Doom wrote:
FeelTheHeat wrote:Don't want to learn contracts. Can I just use reliance for every answer?

This. So much this.



contracts is always making me duress

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby crossarmant » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:08 pm

FeelTheHeat wrote:Don't want to learn contracts. Can I just use reliance for every answer?


Agreed. I'm so burnt out after CivPro... I do not want to do another exam.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Hannibal » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:50 pm

Just did a Ks practice exam, then looked at the model answer and holy shit. I hope that nobody could actually write that shit.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Gamecock227 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:54 pm

The first grades for my school are already being posted (I have not got 1 yet) they split our contracts class into 2 parts 3a and 3b and the other part got their grade already. Can someone start a grade waiting thread that is better at it then I so I can bitch and moan one grade at a time?

Or has someone already?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby sundance95 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:58 pm

Waiting on grades? Lordy, please start a thread and GTFO; no offense, but those of us still doing exams don't want to hear from folks getting pwned just yet.

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Postby sundance95 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:12 pm

Gamecock227 wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=173905


GTFO'd

Danke, seriously.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby sundance95 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:56 pm

Got a negligence per se question. When considering limited statutory purpose in the absence of legislative history, is the sole consideration whether the harm that occurred is the type of harm that the statute is meant to prevent? Or is it also whether the manner of the injury that occurred is what the statute is meant to prevent?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby johansantana21 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:58 pm

sundance95 wrote:Got a negligence per se question. When considering limited statutory purpose in the absence of legislative history, is the sole consideration whether the harm that occurred is the type of harm that the statute is meant to prevent? Or is it also whether the manner of the injury that occurred is what the statute is meant to prevent?


Could you go a little more in depth?

Type vs manner?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Arbiter213 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:06 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
sundance95 wrote:Got a negligence per se question. When considering limited statutory purpose in the absence of legislative history, is the sole consideration whether the harm that occurred is the type of harm that the statute is meant to prevent? Or is it also whether the manner of the injury that occurred is what the statute is meant to prevent?


Could you go a little more in depth?

Type vs manner?


Type only. Manner is immaterial, same as proximate cause.

proximate cause example: boat unmoors, hits another boat, together hit bridge, flood river, damaging property along the river. Damage to property along the river is the type that is bound by the duty to moor the boat properly, so the unforeseeable means by which it happened are immaterial.

Another example: making someone clean a machine with gasoline in a closed space with an open flame (pilot light) is negligent because it's likely to cause an explosion. The fact that the explosion is caused by a rat catching fire and running into the gasoline is immaterial.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby sundance95 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:11 pm

Sure. D is a driver who has a learner's permit but no license yet. D drives alone to school in violation of the licensing statute, which requires those with learner's permit to drive only when accompanied by a licensed driver. Suppose while driving the rear axle breaks, and D hits P, a pedestrian, as a result. P sues in negligence. Assume no prox. cause problem or any other issue besides whether the violation is within the statutory purpose.

Clearly the type of harm is that which the statute sought to prevent: injury resulting from car accidents. But the manner in which the accident and harm occurred doesn't appear to match with the statute's purpose; it seems it is trying to keep inexperienced drivers from hurting others due to their inexperience.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby sundance95 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:12 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:Type only. Manner is immaterial, same as proximate cause.

proximate cause example: boat unmoors, hits another boat, together hit bridge, flood river, damaging property along the river. Damage to property along the river is the type that is bound by the duty to moor the boat properly, so the unforeseeable means by which it happened are immaterial.

Another example: making someone clean a machine with gasoline in a closed space with an open flame (pilot light) is negligent because it's likely to cause an explosion. The fact that the explosion is caused by a rat catching fire and running into the gasoline is immaterial.

Yeah I definitely agree, but those are all proximate cause problems. Are you aware of any cases regarding limited statutory purpose?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby johansantana21 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:15 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:
sundance95 wrote:Got a negligence per se question. When considering limited statutory purpose in the absence of legislative history, is the sole consideration whether the harm that occurred is the type of harm that the statute is meant to prevent? Or is it also whether the manner of the injury that occurred is what the statute is meant to prevent?


Could you go a little more in depth?

Type vs manner?


Type only. Manner is immaterial, same as proximate cause.

proximate cause example: boat unmoors, hits another boat, together hit bridge, flood river, damaging property along the river. Damage to property along the river is the type that is bound by the duty to moor the boat properly, so the unforeseeable means by which it happened are immaterial.

Another example: making someone clean a machine with gasoline in a closed space with an open flame (pilot light) is negligent because it's likely to cause an explosion. The fact that the explosion is caused by a rat catching fire and running into the gasoline is immaterial.


What cases were these?

I'd like to look it up.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby theavrock » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:16 pm

Yeesh thats a toughie that I think you could argue either way.

My gut is that it is not N per se. Would the accident have happened with an experienced driver? If yes then probably no negligence per se. Like you said the staute is likely designed to cover accidents caused by drivers inexperience. This isn't that so it's not what the statute was designed to cover.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Gecko of Doom » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:21 pm

johansantana21 wrote:What cases were these?

I'd like to look it up.

The boat case is Petition of Kinsman Transit Co., 338 F.2d 708.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby sundance95 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:22 pm

theavrock wrote:Yeesh thats a toughie that I think you could argue either way.

My gut is that it is not N per se. Would the accident have happened with an experienced driver? If yes then probably no negligence per se. Like you said the staute is likely designed to cover accidents caused by drivers inexperience. This isn't that so it's not what the statute was designed to cover.

I think you're right; I need to focus less on getting a right answer and more on presenting the arguments for each and then choosing one.

Disclaimer: this is not an exam question.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby BlueDiamond » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:30 pm

this is a miserable, soul-crushing experience

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby rocon7383 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:48 pm

No one in my civ. pro class finished the exam. It was apparently designed so you don't finish. Kind of absurd, and seemingly unnecessary/stupid, but hey- i guess that's sort of the law school way.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Eugenie Danglars » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:49 pm

BlueDiamond wrote:this is a miserable, soul-crushing experience


* hugs * You'll get through it. :-)

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby ilovesf » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:10 pm

the good things about tough exams is that when you're done, it is one of the best feelings in the world! you guys will make it :)

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Eugenie Danglars » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:11 pm

So pretty much all I know about torts is: "don't be negligent." I'll be good for the exam tomorrow, right?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby thesteelers » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:23 pm

Eugenie Danglars wrote:So pretty much all I know about torts is: "don't be negligent." I'll be good for the exam tomorrow, right?


This is all I know about Torts too, and I have a policy essay for my Torts exam on Friday. You'll be fine.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby LeDique » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:23 pm

How good are the sample problems in Acing Contracts? I read through the book/used the checklists to spruce up my outline just now. Is it worth coming back to the library to run through the sample questions with the analysis? I've already done 4 practice exams and the E&E.




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