What do you hate most about law school?

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What do you hate most about LS?

The curve
91
37%
The gunners
33
13%
The assigned work
14
6%
The unassigned work
17
7%
The professors
4
2%
The economy
90
36%
 
Total votes: 249

r6_philly
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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby r6_philly » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:52 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
mrloblaw wrote:If I remember your school correctly, it's pretty clear that they just don't want you to have any joy in your life whatsoever.

:lol: Pretty sure you're remembering correctly. But no internet just means that I've managed to fit in several hundred games of spider solitaire so far this quarter.


No what??? Man I wouldn't have spent the money applying if I knew that.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:21 am

Bildungsroman wrote:
mrloblaw wrote:If I remember your school correctly, it's pretty clear that they just don't want you to have any joy in your life whatsoever.

:lol: Pretty sure you're remembering correctly. But no internet just means that I've managed to fit in several hundred games of spider solitaire so far this quarter.

I switched to hearts. Lovin every minute of it.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby JCougar » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:45 am

FeelTheHeat wrote:Really don't get this...Idk what else you guys would expect in law school...besides, I appreciate the chance to be surrounded by intelligent people every day, even if they are gasbags, especially after working at a lot of retail/restaurant jobs throughout undergrad corporate office jobs


This is by far the best thing about law school. All my past boss' IQ points put together doesn't surpass people at the tail end of the curve here.

In law school, it's the exams that are arbitrary and Kafkaesque, not the people.

I love writing briefs. I actually like reading treatises. I don't even mind the curve, because, in reality, it's the only thing motivating me to try to become an expert on material I'll probably never use again in my life. The two things I hate the most are: 1) the subjective nature of exams, and 2) no feedback. I actually think I hate #2 more. Even with a scholarship, I'm still paying way, way too much money to have almost zero feedback and/or training. You can't actually learn from the current system of one final exam being 100% of your grade, a grade that you won't even see until after the next semester has begun -- and if the professor will even talk to you about it, they'll be so vague as to be mostly unhelpful.

I also hate that Biglaw is so shallow in their hiring criteria -- yet they still wonder why associate turnover is a constant problem.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby Metaread » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:22 am

Hypo: If I don't enjoy reading treatises, but I like applying rules and writing briefs, will I enjoy being a lawyer? I'm noticing that a lot of people at my school don't *enjoy* law school: it's a lot of stress, and I think you'd have to be a really odd breed to truly enjoy the 1L year. Am I wrong in thinking this?

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby bartleby » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:29 am

I hate the gossip. Everyone shit talks everyone. I think even friends shit talk their own friends with other people. It's so common, it's weird.

Other than that, I hate LRW. I hate the UCC. It's like a maze. You look up one part of it and it directs you to another part, which directs you to another part. I hate the fucking UCC.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:26 am

bartleby wrote:I hate the gossip. Everyone shit talks everyone. I think even friends shit talk their own friends with other people. It's so common, it's weird.

Other than that, I hate LRW. I hate the UCC. It's like a maze. You look up one part of it and it directs you to another part, which directs you to another part. I hate the fucking UCC.

I will echo the UCC frustration, especially since my prof tells us to just look through the UCC and find the proper provisions prior to class, and then gets angry when nobody has a fucking clue as to which provisions apply in the case. He eventually explains it, but not before we are all already frustrated as hell.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby keg411 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:29 am

Metaread wrote:Hypo: If I don't enjoy reading treatises, but I like applying rules and writing briefs, will I enjoy being a lawyer? I'm noticing that a lot of people at my school don't *enjoy* law school: it's a lot of stress, and I think you'd have to be a really odd breed to truly enjoy the 1L year. Am I wrong in thinking this?


I enjoyed 1L year. Sure, it was crazy and stressful, but there was something fun about it.
Way more fun than 2L year. The 2L year life-stress is way worse than the 1L year school-stress.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby KMaine » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:46 am

What I hate the most is that it is pretty easy and yet people complain about it nonstop. I even feel myself falling into this sometimes, complaining about classes when I am done by 2:25 every day and have 3 day weekends every weekend and a month off for Christmas. Sure 1L is kind of stressful, but the competition is also kind of fun.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby cheeseburger » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:19 pm

bartleby wrote:I hate the gossip. Everyone shit talks everyone. I think even friends shit talk their own friends with other people. It's so common, it's weird.

Other than that, I hate LRW. I hate the UCC. It's like a maze. You look up one part of it and it directs you to another part, which directs you to another part. I hate the fucking UCC.



most law students are insufferable

welcome to the rest of your life

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby quiver » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:44 pm

keg411 wrote: The 2L year life-stress is way worse than the 1L year school-stress.
I'll second this.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby JCougar » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:47 pm

quiver wrote:
keg411 wrote: The 2L year life-stress is way worse than the 1L year school-stress.
I'll second this.


I'll third this. First semester of 2L is by far the worst so far. First semester of 1L was easily the best.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby bartleby » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:24 pm

KMaine wrote:What I hate the most is that it is pretty easy and yet people complain about it nonstop. I even feel myself falling into this sometimes, complaining about classes when I am done by 2:25 every day and have 3 day weekends every weekend and a month off for Christmas. Sure 1L is kind of stressful, but the competition is also kind of fun.


Genius alert

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby r6_philly » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:54 pm

quiver wrote:
keg411 wrote: The 2L year life-stress is way worse than the 1L year school-stress.
I'll second this.


What's this stress you guys are talking about?

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby nStiver » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:46 pm

I actually like law school. I think my school has happier students than most. I would say the debt is what I hate. I like the material. I could not do this if I didn't like the material.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby ahduth » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:14 pm

nStiver wrote:I actually like law school. I think my school has happier students than most. I would say the debt is what I hate. I like the material. I could not do this if I didn't like the material.


Yeah, I'm digging this stuff. My professors rock, the gunning isn't nasty at all (that might make me the gunner?), the curve is what it is, the debt I'll sort out in hopefully a fairly small amount of time given how placement looks if you hit median. If you got into this business without knowing what was involved... sorry?

The only thing that's still driving me nuts is the rent in NYC. I just signed over a whole additional pile of money today. But bitching about living in NYC is probably a bit of a glance inside the horse's mouth I suppose.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby JusticeHarlan » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:12 am

ahduth wrote:The only thing that's still driving me nuts is the rent in NYC. I just signed over a whole additional pile of money today. But bitching about living in NYC is probably a bit of a glance inside the horse's mouth I suppose.

Enjoy your NYC cost of living, bro.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby keg411 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:03 am

r6_philly wrote:
quiver wrote:
keg411 wrote: The 2L year life-stress is way worse than the 1L year school-stress.
I'll second this.


What's this stress you guys are talking about?


OCI and everything related to it.

I also had tranfer-related stress (quiver probably does as well) in that I moved pretty far from home/all my friends for the first time in 6+ years.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby mrm2083 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:22 am

r6_philly wrote:
quiver wrote:
keg411 wrote: The 2L year life-stress is way worse than the 1L year school-stress.
I'll second this.


What's this stress you guys are talking about?


2L year is amazing. Undergrad all over again.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby ahduth » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:51 am

JusticeHarlan wrote:
ahduth wrote:The only thing that's still driving me nuts is the rent in NYC. I just signed over a whole additional pile of money today. But bitching about living in NYC is probably a bit of a glance inside the horse's mouth I suppose.

Enjoy your NYC cost of living, bro.


Preaching to the choir (hell, maybe you're in the choir too). Chicago firms are going to be all over my EIW bid list.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby jarofsoup » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:43 pm

Not being able to drink as much as I would like b/c I am to afraid to be hung over and unable to study the next morning.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby JCougar » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:16 pm

ahduth wrote:
JusticeHarlan wrote:
ahduth wrote:The only thing that's still driving me nuts is the rent in NYC. I just signed over a whole additional pile of money today. But bitching about living in NYC is probably a bit of a glance inside the horse's mouth I suppose.

Enjoy your NYC cost of living, bro.


Preaching to the choir (hell, maybe you're in the choir too). Chicago firms are going to be all over my EIW bid list.


This may not be a good idea. Competition for Chicago these days is fierce -- mainly due to the fact that there's zero jobs there. It's risky to waste bids on Chicago unless you're a sure thing to get a job there. Not sure what school you go to, but I would only bid heavily there if I were in the top 33% at a T14. There's been a lot of stories on here about people at median from T10 schools (even some T6 schools) striking out at OCI because they wasted all their bids on Chicago.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby soccerfreak » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:28 pm

+1 to whoever said no feedback. Wish I knew if my entire approach/study habits will get me A's/F's while I, you know, could do something about it.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby Holly Golightly » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:41 pm

jarofsoup wrote:Not being able to drink as much as I would like b/c I am to afraid to be hung over and unable to study the next morning.

Doing it wrong.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby kapital98 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:53 pm

mrloblaw wrote:
crossarmant wrote:
FeelTheHeat wrote:Yeah, I don't agree with a single thing you said, but to each their own


TBF, I could be different. I went to a heavy science and engineering undergrad and all of my friends were computer and electrical engineers, I had a science degree, so now that I'm immersed with poly sci and English people I could be the oddball out.


This could also be the case with me. I was pre-med in college, and I could literally vomit any time someone brings up the slippery slope argument or does some equally lawyerish thing.

To be fair, however, I wouldn't take myself out on a date, either.


I hate when people use buzzwords and think they're presenting some novel argument. "This will open the floodgates of litigation." "It's comparing apples to oranges." etc, etc...

What's worse is the professor is just going over the arguments already covered in the "notes" section of the casebook. All you had to do was read the section and you will know the answer he wants!

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Otherwise, as long as you're efficient law school takes very little time. It's the exceptions to the rule, like pointless Memos, that make it seem tough.

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Re: What do you hate most about law school?

Postby c3pO4 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:11 pm

I hate that it reminds me of high school and I feel exactly the same walking through the law school building as I did walking through my high school.




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