2L. No motivation

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby td6624 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:52 pm

random5483 wrote:
Seriously, I have not cracked a book open all weekend and I have Fridays off. Fairly sure I won't do my readings for Monday.


same here. fuck.

i was gonna start outlining this weekend too. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby snowpeach06 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:19 pm

Have an MPRE review class today. Skipping at least half of it cuse I'm too hungover to go. /gonna fail the MPRE.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby berkeleykel06 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:19 pm

I love this thread.

But please don't anyone mess it up by posting about how they've started getting motivated. If the super unmotivated people here start kicking it into high gear what does it mean for the rest of us? This thread is for those of us who aren't doing jack shit to feel better about ourselves.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby c3pO4 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:32 pm

eVERYtime i try to study I get through like a case or two, then I start thinking about the INSANE amount of reading/class I've missed and how daunting the next month will be to prepare, and I get paralyzed and am unable to motivate myself to continue. Might just check out some commercial outlines and wing it at this point...

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Oban » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:27 pm

fuck, I am so undermotived to do anything school related. In one of my classes that is super interesting I've never fallen behind in the the reading. In one of my serious/bar classes i essentially stopped doing the reading in week 3. I haven't turned anything in for my note beyond a topic paragraph and list of sources. I just really don't give a fuck. Urge to take a class pass/fail rising.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby BarbellDreams » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:41 pm

How the hell do people stay motivated for 3 years? I feel like I gave everything I had for 1L. Its not that I don't care or anything, I just can't bring myself to go through anything remotely close to 1L again.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Grizz » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:56 am

Any of you dudes know a decent evidence or crim pro supplement? Seems like this shit's the same everywhere. Maybe getting supplements will motivate me to outline.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby goodolgil » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:33 pm

Grizz wrote:Any of you dudes know a decent evidence or crim pro supplement? Seems like this shit's the same everywhere. Maybe getting supplements will motivate me to outline.


Dressler for Crim Pro, but I'm assuming you've seen that one.

Crim Pro is fucking hard, and the casebook we use (Kamisar, LaFave, etc...) is easily the worst casebook I've been assigned throughout all of law school

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby romothesavior » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:25 pm

goodolgil wrote:
Grizz wrote:Any of you dudes know a decent evidence or crim pro supplement? Seems like this shit's the same everywhere. Maybe getting supplements will motivate me to outline.


Dressler for Crim Pro, but I'm assuming you've seen that one.

Crim Pro is fucking hard, and the casebook we use (Kamisar, LaFave, etc...) is easily the worst casebook I've been assigned throughout all of law school

It's just soooo maaaaaany caaaases. Like, within each individual unit there are so many different little cases that leave me wondering what the point of what I read was. I don't need 50 stop and frisk cases to illustrate the basic concepts.

Also curious about Grizz's question. I am toast in Crim Pro and Evidence.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Grizz » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:39 pm

romothesavior wrote:
goodolgil wrote:
Grizz wrote:Any of you dudes know a decent evidence or crim pro supplement? Seems like this shit's the same everywhere. Maybe getting supplements will motivate me to outline.


Dressler for Crim Pro, but I'm assuming you've seen that one.

Crim Pro is fucking hard, and the casebook we use (Kamisar, LaFave, etc...) is easily the worst casebook I've been assigned throughout all of law school

It's just soooo maaaaaany caaaases. Like, within each individual unit there are so many different little cases that leave me wondering what the point of what I read was. I don't need 50 stop and frisk cases to illustrate the basic concepts.

Also curious about Grizz's question. I am toast in Crim Pro and Evidence.

Bro I think we may actually have to know the cases. Because each holding is very nuanced and fact specific. I think I'm gonna get Emanuals bro.

Evidence = life fucked

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby quiver » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:47 pm

Grizz wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
goodolgil wrote:
Grizz wrote:Any of you dudes know a decent evidence or crim pro supplement? Seems like this shit's the same everywhere. Maybe getting supplements will motivate me to outline.


Dressler for Crim Pro, but I'm assuming you've seen that one.

Crim Pro is fucking hard, and the casebook we use (Kamisar, LaFave, etc...) is easily the worst casebook I've been assigned throughout all of law school

It's just soooo maaaaaany caaaases. Like, within each individual unit there are so many different little cases that leave me wondering what the point of what I read was. I don't need 50 stop and frisk cases to illustrate the basic concepts.

Also curious about Grizz's question. I am toast in Crim Pro and Evidence.

Bro I think we may actually have to know the cases. Because each holding is very nuanced and fact specific. I think I'm gonna get Emanuals bro.

Evidence = life fucked
I got lucky with a great Evidence professor so I haven't leaned on supplements too much but I've used the Black Letter Outline for Evidence and it's pretty good. Not sure how it compares with others.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Grizz » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:50 pm

My evidence prof records all his classes so I guess I could go back and grab the ones I've missed and listen to 1 or 2 a day.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby BarbellDreams » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:51 pm

Evidence = Easiest class in law school except maybe torts.

Commercial Transactions = Why in the world did I take this class? Doubt I have paid attention once ever since I got called on. Have no idea whats going on or what we are covering and absolutely cannot force myself to listen or read.

Other classes do not have finals so its basically up to Commercial Trans to screw my GPA completely.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Nom Sawyer » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:57 pm

IAFG wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:I still don't own the book for one of my classes.

i see your one and raise you one


i see your two and raise all in...


I'm going to see if I can go the entire school year w/o buying a book :D

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Grizz » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:01 pm

This thread is gonna be my new home, just like the 1L exam prep/motivation thread.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby BarbellDreams » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:41 pm

Nom Sawyer wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:I still don't own the book for one of my classes.

i see your one and raise you one


i see your two and raise all in...


I'm going to see if I can go the entire school year w/o buying a book :D


Definitely multiple books I shouldn't have bought this year. I also ended up dropping one class after buying the book and dumping the receipt somewhere so I was out like $150.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby snowpeach06 » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:51 pm

goodolgil wrote:
Grizz wrote:Any of you dudes know a decent evidence or crim pro supplement? Seems like this shit's the same everywhere. Maybe getting supplements will motivate me to outline.


Dressler for Crim Pro, but I'm assuming you've seen that one.

Crim Pro is fucking hard, and the casebook we use (Kamisar, LaFave, etc...) is easily the worst casebook I've been assigned throughout all of law school

Agreed. I have that book. I hate it. And i'm confused as hell. There are 800 different searches, all with these little nuances, and I can't tell when you apply what. I'm gonna need like 800 supplements, and i hear the E&E is horrible. I haven't heard of dressler though. Perhaps I'll check it out.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby BarbellDreams » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:09 pm

Here's your basic searches Crim pro supplement off the top of m head:

In your house: Need warrant outside of hot pursuit or other exigent circumstances unless the evidence is in plain cite or you have voluntary consent. If any manipulation by the police was necessary then the evidence was not in plain cite. If you are located in someone else's house then the question is if you are an overnight guest. Overnight guests have a reasonable expectation of privacy while people who just stop by do not.

In your car: can be pulled over for reasonable suspicion. Can search if given voluntary consent. If no consent can search car if there is probable cause. Can only search compartments of car where probable cause leads you (If you have probable cause to think there is a body in the car cannot search glove compartment but CAN search trunk). If arrested, car can always be impounded and subjected to a inventory search under opperman. If the person is under arrest near his car you can search areas immediately adjacent to him with the "wingspan rule", cannot search areas of car that were not immediately within wingspan of D Gant (I think its Gant anyway, its been a while since I took this).

Searching the person: Can always do a terry stop to pat down and frisk for officer's protection if you have reasonble suspicion and can articulate where that suspicion came from ("That guy looked like a criminal to me" doesn't work. "That guy came out of a store looking around aimlessly while alarms were going off in the store" works.) If you feel something that feels like a weapon or drugs you can take it, if you dont know what it is and can't tell then you cannot take it out to see. If you are arresting the person you can always search his person and anything you find on him is fine, robinson. You can also do a inventory search of personal items when taken from person due to arrest or detention (really dont remember case name, its the one where the guy brings a satchell to the cop station and as they are questioning him they look through it).

Honestly, I probably forgot a LOT of other situations but this was all off the top of my head while procrastinating doing work. I may be able to dig up my outline from somewhere if anyone needs it, otherwise if you wanna PM me a question on Crim Pro I can try and help if I still remember the answer.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:08 pm

I didn't diligently read for any class during 2L year. For 2 or 3 of my lecture classes I didnt even buy the casebook. My grades have actually gotten better.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby kaiser » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:10 pm

Mick Haller wrote:I didn't diligently read for any class during 2L year. For 2 or 3 of my lecture classes I didnt even buy the casebook. My grades have actually gotten better.


Stuff like this calms me down when I'm freaking out that I only did 3/4 of the reading, and left out a few cases. Its just so hard to register in my brain, but I guess the curve is a crazy thing. I busted my ass so hard 1L year to do well, and I feel like, if I put in half the effort, my grades will only be half as good. But due to the curve, something tells me that the drop wouldn't be quite so big.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Grizz » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:12 pm

kaiser wrote:
Mick Haller wrote:I didn't diligently read for any class during 2L year. For 2 or 3 of my lecture classes I didnt even buy the casebook. My grades have actually gotten better.


Stuff like this calms me down when I'm freaking out that I only did 3/4 of the reading, and left out a few cases. Its just so hard to register in my brain, but I guess the curve is a crazy thing. I busted my ass so hard 1L year to do well, and I feel like, if I put in half the effort, my grades will only be half as good. But due to the curve, something tells me that the drop wouldn't be quite so big.

Damn +1

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:18 pm

I think there is a noticeable drop-off in competition after 1L year. The cutoff for top 15% at my T1 dropped from 3.53 in or so down to about 3.48 by the second year. I almost jumped all the way from top 25% to top 15%. Missed it by 0.007

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby keg411 » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:20 pm

kaiser wrote:
Mick Haller wrote:I didn't diligently read for any class during 2L year. For 2 or 3 of my lecture classes I didnt even buy the casebook. My grades have actually gotten better.


Stuff like this calms me down when I'm freaking out that I only did 3/4 of the reading, and left out a few cases. Its just so hard to register in my brain, but I guess the curve is a crazy thing. I busted my ass so hard 1L year to do well, and I feel like, if I put in half the effort, my grades will only be half as good. But due to the curve, something tells me that the drop wouldn't be quite so big.


I hope this is true. Yet, I feel like I'm the "curve bait" this year.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby c3pO4 » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:25 pm

keg411 wrote:
kaiser wrote:
Mick Haller wrote:I didn't diligently read for any class during 2L year. For 2 or 3 of my lecture classes I didnt even buy the casebook. My grades have actually gotten better.


Stuff like this calms me down when I'm freaking out that I only did 3/4 of the reading, and left out a few cases. Its just so hard to register in my brain, but I guess the curve is a crazy thing. I busted my ass so hard 1L year to do well, and I feel like, if I put in half the effort, my grades will only be half as good. But due to the curve, something tells me that the drop wouldn't be quite so big.


I hope this is true. Yet, I feel like I'm the "curve bait" this year.


I think it depends on the school. At a T14 when close to half have jobs already, the curve will be kind. At a T50, where people don't really have jobs and are also too lemming to realize their grades no longer matter actually have doubled down, and I think there will be a ton of well prepared finals. Then, a really phoned in exam will stand so far apart it might be at risk of C territory or worse. This is my fear.

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Re: 2L. No motivation

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:27 pm

c3pO4 wrote:I think it depends on the school. At a T14 when close to half have jobs already, the curve will be kind. At a T50, where people don't really have jobs and are also too lemming to realize their grades no longer matter actually have doubled down, and I think there will be a ton of well prepared finals. Then, a really phoned in exam will stand so far apart it might be at risk of C territory or worse. This is my fear.


hmm...I attend a T50 that is reputed for its cutthroat competitiveness, and I don't get this sense. people here are smart enough to know that grades mean little after OCI.




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