2L = Zero motivation.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby Lawquacious » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:19 pm

taxguy wrote:
smokyroom26 wrote:2L. Job search complete. I'm behind, but it seems like everyone is.

What I need is a good kick in the pants to get me going again. Anyone else feeling like this?


I really can relate to what you are saying. Let's face it, law review and the ability to transfer schools are based on 1L performance. Moreover, it is easy to get burned out as result of the hard work required by the first year of law school. Thus, I really do get where you are coming from.

HOWEVER, I strongly urge you to rethink your priorities. 2L and 3L are considered the most important years in law school for several reasons. First, you get to take classes that you want to take that can help your overall GPA, which intern helps with jobs. Secondly, and even more importantly in my opinion, really important legal skills can be gotten in the second and third years. This is where you will learn about negotiations, family law, tax law, advanced drafting and research and litigation skills, not to mention honing and improving skills that you might not have strengthened sufficiently as a result of your first year of law school. Moreover, if you are writing for law review, the quality of your article and the topic selected can be of help to you for the rest of your life, especially if you want to teach. A quality article that gets used by many lawyers can really enhance your reputation.

The second and third years are NOT the years that you should ignore. In fact, you should put even more emphasis on them since they will inculcate the practical skills of being a lawyer.

The first year, other than learning to read cases and do legal research , is only important for bar exam passage since those courses provide the majority of informaton tested on the bar, among that of a few other courses. It is the second and third years that will hone your really important skills. Moreover, you get to choose what skills to hone via electives. If you are paying 30+K per year in tuition, don't waste this money and your time sliding through your upper class years of law school. I promise you that if you heed my advice, you won't regret it. You will, however, regret blowing your second and third years of law school by simply sliding by and not inculcating the skills that you should really have.

Always remember, "It isn't our successes that make us stronger. It is how we handle our failures and challenges that determine who we are." I urge you and others who read this to overcome your lethergy and rise above it.



Flame.








(actually probably good advice, but dooood)

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby Veyron » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:27 pm

taxguy wrote:
smokyroom26 wrote:2L. Job search complete. I'm behind, but it seems like everyone is.

What I need is a good kick in the pants to get me going again. Anyone else feeling like this?


I really can relate to what you are saying. Let's face it, law review and the ability to transfer schools are based on 1L performance. Moreover, it is easy to get burned out as result of the hard work required by the first year of law school. Thus, I really do get where you are coming from.

HOWEVER, I strongly urge you to rethink your priorities. 2L and 3L are considered the most important years in law school for several reasons. First, you get to take classes that you want to take that can help your overall GPA, which intern helps with jobs. Secondly, and even more importantly in my opinion, really important legal skills can be gotten in the second and third years. This is where you will learn about negotiations, family law, tax law, advanced drafting and research and litigation skills, not to mention honing and improving skills that you might not have strengthened sufficiently as a result of your first year of law school. Moreover, if you are writing for law review, the quality of your article and the topic selected can be of help to you for the rest of your life, especially if you want to teach. A quality article that gets used by many lawyers can really enhance your reputation.

The second and third years are NOT the years that you should ignore. In fact, you should put even more emphasis on them since they will inculcate the practical skills of being a lawyer.

The first year, other than learning to read cases and do legal research , is only important for bar exam passage since those courses provide the majority of informaton tested on the bar, among that of a few other courses. It is the second and third years that will hone your really important skills. Moreover, you get to choose what skills to hone via electives. If you are paying 30+K per year in tuition, don't waste this money and your time sliding through your upper class years of law school. I promise you that if you heed my advice, you won't regret it. You will, however, regret blowing your second and third years of law school by simply sliding by and not inculcating the skills that you should really have.

Always remember, "It isn't our successes that make us stronger. It is how we handle our failures and challenges that determine who we are." I urge you and others who read this to overcome your lethergy and rise above it.


Somehow omitted the fact that 1L grades determine 2L SA.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby dood » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:35 pm

honestly, if u came to law school bc u wanted to study law, nothing has changed. if u came to law school for a job that pays 160K and achieved it, well - set higher goals . . . u know SCOTUS clerks get $350K bonuses.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby Veyron » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:09 am

dood wrote:honestly, if u came to law school bc u wanted to study law, nothing has changed. if u came to law school for a job that pays 160K and achieved it, well - set higher goals . . . u know SCOTUS clerks get $350K bonuses.


Bah. Law school has little to do with legal practice. Its hard to see why you should put effort into an education that serves as little more than a signaling device once you've already got a job unless you want to clerk or something.

Personally

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby dood » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:14 am

Veyron wrote:
dood wrote:honestly, if u came to law school bc u wanted to study law, nothing has changed. if u came to law school for a job that pays 160K and achieved it, well - set higher goals . . . u know SCOTUS clerks get $350K bonuses.


Bah. Law school has little to do with legal practice. Its hard to see why you should put effort into an education that serves as little more than a signaling device once you've already got a job unless you want to clerk or something.

Personally


no no, i agree with u law school has little to do with legal practice. what i mean is if you like GOING TO LAW SCHOOL. so law school is not a means to an end...it is the end. i like seeing law school friends, i like talking with profs, i like going to classes im interested in, i love fucking bar review, etc.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby dood » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:19 am

not just studying the law, but the whole experience is just pretty fucking awesome...i mean i worked for a couple years after UG and this is the best 3 year vacation ive had. also just put it in perspective, as a law student even in a TTT, 99.9999% of the worlds population would kill to be in ur shoes....i dunno man, i think about that and it becomes a lot easier to go to class and actively pay attention / learn. im not so much "motivated" per se by all this, rather im just happy as hell to be where im at.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby Veyron » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:20 am

dood wrote:
Veyron wrote:
dood wrote:honestly, if u came to law school bc u wanted to study law, nothing has changed. if u came to law school for a job that pays 160K and achieved it, well - set higher goals . . . u know SCOTUS clerks get $350K bonuses.


Bah. Law school has little to do with legal practice. Its hard to see why you should put effort into an education that serves as little more than a signaling device once you've already got a job unless you want to clerk or something.

Personally


no no, i agree with u law school has little to do with legal practice. what i mean is if you like GOING TO LAW SCHOOL. so law school is not a means to an end...it is the end. i like seeing law school friends, i like talking with profs, i like going to classes im interested in, i love fucking bar review, etc.


You're right dood. This year, I plan to dedicate myself to bar review with renewed zeal.

not just studying the law, but the whole experience is just pretty fucking awesome...i mean i worked for a couple years after UG and this is the best 3 year vacation ive had. also just put it in perspective, as a law student even in a TTT, 99.9999% of the worlds population would kill to be in ur shoes....i dunno man, i think about that and it becomes a lot easier to go to class and actively pay attention / learn. i not so much motivated per se by all this, rather im just happy as hell to be where im at.


As a sandwich artist at subway, 90% of the world would kill to be in your shoes. What, exactly, is your point.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby dood » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:29 am

Veyron wrote:
As a sandwich artist at subway, 90% of the world would kill to be in your shoes. What, exactly, is your point.


i dunno dude, i just typed out this long paragraph and deleted it. ADD is a bitch.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby smokyroom26 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:30 am

dood wrote:
Veyron wrote:
As a sandwich artist at subway, 90% of the world would kill to be in your shoes. What, exactly, is your point.


i dunno dude, i just typed out this long paragraph and deleted it. ADD is a bitch.


love u dood.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby Stanford4Me » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:33 am

I have 100 pages of reading to do for tomorrow. Don't think I'll do it.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby Redzo » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:16 am

The dood abides.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby jkay » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:21 am

Stanford4Me wrote:I have 100 pages of reading to do for tomorrow. Don't think I'll do it.


Woke up early to read evidence. Doesn't seem to be working out so well.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby smokyroom26 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:11 pm

jkay wrote:
Stanford4Me wrote:I have 100 pages of reading to do for tomorrow. Don't think I'll do it.


Woke up early to read evidence. Doesn't seem to be working out so well.


If I've learned one thing, I've learned that telling myself I will wake up early to read anything = elaborate self-indulgent method of procrastination. Even if I actually do wake up early, I usually spend that early time shuffling around making pancakes. ("I have so much time this morning! There's plenty of time for me to make myself a nice breakfast!")

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby crombot » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:45 pm

I was done with class at 10:15 this morning. It's now 6:45p, and I haven't started my reading for my 9am, skipped my 3pm (which I also didn't read for), and haven't started on my moot court materials (draft due in 2 weeks) nor prepped the materials that I need to prep for the class that I TA for.

I had hand surgery last Friday and the fuzziness from the pain meds seems like it could be the culprit, plus all of the "considering" I have to do to figure out which offer I'll accept....but I am pretty sure that it's just that I ran out of fucks to give.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby smokyroom26 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:59 pm

crombot wrote:I was done with class at 10:15 this morning. It's now 6:45p, and I haven't started my reading for my 9am, skipped my 3pm (which I also didn't read for), and haven't started on my moot court materials (draft due in 2 weeks) nor prepped the materials that I need to prep for the class that I TA for.

I had hand surgery last Friday and the fuzziness from the pain meds seems like it could be the culprit, plus all of the "considering" I have to do to figure out which offer I'll accept....but I am pretty sure that it's just that I ran out of fucks to give.


Pain meds will definitely speed up the running-outta-fucks.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby crombot » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:26 pm

smokyroom26 wrote:
Pain meds will definitely speed up the running-outta-fucks.



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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby kaiser » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:28 pm

crombot wrote:
smokyroom26 wrote:
Pain meds will definitely speed up the running-outta-fucks.



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Made me lol for realz in the library

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby crombot » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:47 pm

kaiser wrote:
crombot wrote:
smokyroom26 wrote:
Pain meds will definitely speed up the running-outta-fucks.



Image


Made me lol for realz in the library


I'm glad that I could contribute to lawbrary disruption (that also means at least you are working aka "giving a fuck", or at least keeping up the appearance of giving at least one fuck.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby kaiser » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:50 pm

crombot wrote:
kaiser wrote:
crombot wrote:
smokyroom26 wrote:
Pain meds will definitely speed up the running-outta-fucks.



Image


Made me lol for realz in the library


I'm glad that I could contribute to lawbrary disruption (that also means at least you are working aka "giving a fuck", or at least keeping up the appearance of giving at least one fuck.


The fact that I was browsing TLS is pretty clear confirmation that I'm doing anything but working

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby crombot » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:51 pm

kaiser wrote:
The fact that I was browsing TLS is pretty clear confirmation that I'm doing anything but working


Fair. I've been finalizing my law school softball team's shirts (my new 'tar). Thoughts?

/edit i have since added a trampoline under the child that is jumping gleefully past the danger signs that he can't read into the shark tank.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby quiver » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:09 pm

crombot wrote:
kaiser wrote:
The fact that I was browsing TLS is pretty clear confirmation that I'm doing anything but working


Fair. I've been finalizing my law school softball team's shirts (my new 'tar). Thoughts?

/edit i have since added a trampoline under the child that is jumping gleefully past the danger signs that he can't read into the shark tank.

Hahaha excellent 'tar. That's the last team I would want to face.

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby mths » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:13 pm

KMaine wrote:
IthacaIsWet wrote:Pretty much the entire 2L class at Cornell has expressed this sentiment recently. Don't care about classes. Don't care about journal work. Not a single fuck is given about law school anymore.


For rebuttal evidence, I would like to offer the 2L gunners in "Law Governing Lawyers."

Not like anyone is surprised at those though

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby mths » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:58 pm

booboo wrote:Came in here thinking mths was OP.

Read the first post and definitely knew it wasn't mths.

Zero motivation is the goal.

:roll:

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby smokyroom26 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:23 pm

crombot wrote:
kaiser wrote:
crombot wrote:
smokyroom26 wrote:
Pain meds will definitely speed up the running-outta-fucks.



Image


Made me lol for realz in the library


I'm glad that I could contribute to lawbrary disruption (that also means at least you are working aka "giving a fuck", or at least keeping up the appearance of giving at least one fuck.


Attempting to give at least half a fuck ftw!

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Re: 2L = Zero motivation.

Postby 20160810 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:12 pm

PSA: Some people get no-offered, and some firms pull a Howery.

By all means don't gun like you (probably) did during 1L, but don't shoot yourself in the foot either, especially if you might want to clerk.




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