Second thoughts already?

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Re: Second thoughts already?

Postby downing » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:32 pm

target wrote:
thrillerjesus wrote:
Yes, it is. In any profession, being successful requires either a certain amount of hard work or a certain amount of random good luck. You can't rely on luck, and hard work is infinitely harder when you don't love what you're doing. If you don't love this, it's probably not going to be worth it no matter how much money you end up making.


Are you f-ing high on some sort of hippy, hollywood, feeling-good movies?




The attack on TJ for for his assertion seems to negate the proposition that a good attitude toward one's chosen subject of study helps in improving the results of one's study. The converse would be akin to something like: a good attitude does not help in improving the results of one's study. I don't believe there are any scientifically proven studies which incontrovertibly prove either the original statement or the converse of the original statement hold as infallible truths, so by positively asserting that TJ is "f-ing high", one isn't actually saying... anything. Perhaps in your own experience, however, being a Debbie Downer has caused inestimable self improvement and personal growth?

Nicholasnickynic wrote:
target wrote:
thrillerjesus wrote:Nope, just someone who was pulling in mid 6 figures in a job I hated pre-law school. Trust me, the money doesn't help if you hate what you're spending most of your time doing. Also, you're a fucking child if you don't think hard work is required for success in almost every endeavor.


Let me get this straight. You go back to school from a 6 figures job, so that you can have a chance to get to another 6 figure job, and in case you fail, you can still go back to your first 6 figures job. Damn, I can see the sacrifice you made. I do believe hard work is necessary for success, but to think that pure love of a job is the only motivation to hard work is as unrealistic as it is.




Um, if you quit your old job because making money wasn't enough when you hated what you were doing,

WHY IN THE FUCK are you trying to do big law. I challenge you to find a single person that says they love big law and would do it for half the money.


I don't think the guy/girl/woman/man said anything about wanting big law, just that hard work is a necessary part of doing well and being successful in most endeavors. Law isn't the most flexible degree, but a JD offers more than the singular prospect of big law.

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Re: Second thoughts already?

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:36 pm

downing wrote:
target wrote:
thrillerjesus wrote:
Yes, it is. In any profession, being successful requires either a certain amount of hard work or a certain amount of random good luck. You can't rely on luck, and hard work is infinitely harder when you don't love what you're doing. If you don't love this, it's probably not going to be worth it no matter how much money you end up making.


Are you f-ing high on some sort of hippy, hollywood, feeling-good movies?




The attack on TJ for for his assertion seems to negate the proposition that a good attitude toward one's chosen subject of study helps in improving the results of one's study. The converse would be akin to something like: a good attitude does not help in improving the results of one's study. I don't believe there are any scientifically proven studies which incontrovertibly prove either the original statement or the converse of the original statement hold as infallible truths, so by positively asserting that TJ is "f-ing high", one isn't actually saying... anything. Perhaps in your own experience, however, being a Debbie Downer has caused inestimable self improvement and personal growth?

Nicholasnickynic wrote:
target wrote:
thrillerjesus wrote:Nope, just someone who was pulling in mid 6 figures in a job I hated pre-law school. Trust me, the money doesn't help if you hate what you're spending most of your time doing. Also, you're a fucking child if you don't think hard work is required for success in almost every endeavor.


Let me get this straight. You go back to school from a 6 figures job, so that you can have a chance to get to another 6 figure job, and in case you fail, you can still go back to your first 6 figures job. Damn, I can see the sacrifice you made. I do believe hard work is necessary for success, but to think that pure love of a job is the only motivation to hard work is as unrealistic as it is.




Um, if you quit your old job because making money wasn't enough when you hated what you were doing,

WHY IN THE FUCK are you trying to do big law. I challenge you to find a single person that says they love big law and would do it for half the money.


I don't think the guy/girl/woman/man said anything about wanting big law, just that hard work is a necessary part of doing well and being successful in most endeavors. Law isn't the most flexible degree, but a JD offers more than the singular prospect of big law.


I didnt read all the posts, but i was under the impression that the plan was to amke 6 figures in law. How do you do that without biglaw?

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Re: Second thoughts already?

Postby flounder » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:42 pm

I am not in Law School but I bet the first year, like your Freshman year in undergrad, is where all the boring crap is taught. When you start your 2L and 3L you can take classes that are more toward your interest.

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Re: Second thoughts already?

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:18 pm

flounder wrote:I am not in Law School but I bet the first year, like your Freshman year in undergrad, is where all the boring crap is taught. When you start your 2L and 3L you can take classes that are more toward your interest.



From the OP, thanks. I'm pretty sure he came to "Forum for Law School Students" to get advice from someone who is less experienced than him, not to benefit from the knowledge of law students who have "been there, done that."


Please go back to the 872,000 other forums on this board for prospective students. :twisted:

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Re: Second thoughts already?

Postby TheFactor » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:54 pm

flounder wrote:I am not in Law Schoolbut I bet the first year, like your Freshman year in undergrad, is where all the boring crap is taught. When you start your 2L and 3L you can take classes that are more toward your interest.

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Re: Second thoughts already?

Postby thrillerjesus » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:53 pm

downing wrote:
target wrote:
thrillerjesus wrote:
Yes, it is. In any profession, being successful requires either a certain amount of hard work or a certain amount of random good luck. You can't rely on luck, and hard work is infinitely harder when you don't love what you're doing. If you don't love this, it's probably not going to be worth it no matter how much money you end up making.


Are you f-ing high on some sort of hippy, hollywood, feeling-good movies?




The attack on TJ for for his assertion seems to negate the proposition that a good attitude toward one's chosen subject of study helps in improving the results of one's study. The converse would be akin to something like: a good attitude does not help in improving the results of one's study. I don't believe there are any scientifically proven studies which incontrovertibly prove either the original statement or the converse of the original statement hold as infallible truths, so by positively asserting that TJ is "f-ing high", one isn't actually saying... anything. Perhaps in your own experience, however, being a Debbie Downer has caused inestimable self improvement and personal growth?

Nicholasnickynic wrote:
target wrote:
thrillerjesus wrote:Nope, just someone who was pulling in mid 6 figures in a job I hated pre-law school. Trust me, the money doesn't help if you hate what you're spending most of your time doing. Also, you're a fucking child if you don't think hard work is required for success in almost every endeavor.


Let me get this straight. You go back to school from a 6 figures job, so that you can have a chance to get to another 6 figure job, and in case you fail, you can still go back to your first 6 figures job. Damn, I can see the sacrifice you made. I do believe hard work is necessary for success, but to think that pure love of a job is the only motivation to hard work is as unrealistic as it is.




Um, if you quit your old job because making money wasn't enough when you hated what you were doing,

WHY IN THE FUCK are you trying to do big law. I challenge you to find a single person that says they love big law and would do it for half the money.


I don't think the guy/girl/woman/man said anything about wanting big law, just that hard work is a necessary part of doing well and being successful in most endeavors. Law isn't the most flexible degree, but a JD offers more than the singular prospect of big law.


I'm a guy, and that's absolutely correct. I have no interest or intention of doing biglaw. It is not the only path to good money as an attorney. The difference is that all of the other paths require that you actually be good at being a lawyer. In contrast, Biglaw only requires that you do well in 1L and are then willing to work like a slave after you graduate. Excellence in your work isn't really required until after the first couple years, at which point the majority are measured, found wanting, and are shown the door.




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