write the drunk hockey game guide to top 10% plzCupidity wrote:They will burn out and fail.FlanAl wrote:Just started at a T20 and it seems like everyone is gunning super hard. A good deal of people practically quote from the TLS study guides and are in the library all day. Its the first week of school and a lot of people weren't out at all over the weekend because they wanted to get studying done. Anyone else feeling like their school is a lot more gunnerish than expected?
I got drunk and went to hockey games all year --> top 10%.
Fuck them.
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That will change. Enjoy the honeymoon.SilverE2 wrote:I'm at Vandy, its super laid back.
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I've only met a few gunners. Most people are chill and relaxed. I know a lot who are going away for the 3 day weekend and etc. I probably won't do any work until Sunday night...
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Undercover gunnerPeg wrote:That's still a little scary, basically because it means you're up against people who have read all the study guides you've read. Sucks.
My section is almost self-consciously anti-gunner, but I think everyone's working just as hard. They are just being very quiet about it.
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What this forum needs is yet another thread of new 1Ls talking about gunners.
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I don't have gunners- but everyone is working very hard and about a third of them seem to be working very smart- looking towards the exam, doing hypos, etc. I will admit that I was kind of hoping this wouldn't be the case and I would have less competition who knew what was actually going on the first semester... but since they are all great people I'll just have to live with being median or just above.
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Or maybe below lulzspleenworship wrote:I don't have gunners- but everyone is working very hard and about a third of them seem to be working very smart- looking towards the exam, doing hypos, etc. I will admit that I was kind of hoping this wouldn't be the case and I would have less competition who knew what was actually going on the first semester... but since they are all great people I'll just have to live with being median or just above.
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Already doing hypos? Shit I'm behind already.spleenworship wrote:I don't have gunners- but everyone is working very hard and about a third of them seem to be working very smart- looking towards the exam, doing hypos, etc. I will admit that I was kind of hoping this wouldn't be the case and I would have less competition who knew what was actually going on the first semester... but since they are all great people I'll just have to live with being median or just above.
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wtf already doing hypos, much more gunnerish than here.spleenworship wrote:I don't have gunners- but everyone is working very hard and about a third of them seem to be working very smart- looking towards the exam, doing hypos, etc. I will admit that I was kind of hoping this wouldn't be the case and I would have less competition who knew what was actually going on the first semester... but since they are all great people I'll just have to live with being median or just above.
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I wouldn't worry about it. Provided the rest of your class isn't doing them already, I'm guessing you'll be fine. It is just me who has to apparently catch up to my overly clever peeps. Maybe it is because everyone is so concerned about getting a job upon graduation- it isn't like I am in the T14.Tanicius wrote:Already doing hypos? Shit I'm behind already.spleenworship wrote:I don't have gunners- but everyone is working very hard and about a third of them seem to be working very smart- looking towards the exam, doing hypos, etc. I will admit that I was kind of hoping this wouldn't be the case and I would have less competition who knew what was actually going on the first semester... but since they are all great people I'll just have to live with being median or just above.
oh, and @ grizz: dude, a third of them studying smart plus a few lucky ones... median seems most likely, not below. There are some seriously lost, confused, or slackerific people in my class who should fill up the bottom half, realistically.
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People use TLS study guides? Are they of any use?
I think my class has only 2 true gunners, and several others who are "gunner-ish." One person whose comment was approved by our prof. in class when he was cold-called decided to then become a gunner. Over the next 4 classes, he proceeded to raise his hand at virtually every juncture. To what extent he knows his stuff is questionable.
I'd say don't worry about it. I think gunners have more enthusiasm than intelligence in most cases, though SOME gunners do seem truly intelligent as far as applying the law to the facts.
I think my class has only 2 true gunners, and several others who are "gunner-ish." One person whose comment was approved by our prof. in class when he was cold-called decided to then become a gunner. Over the next 4 classes, he proceeded to raise his hand at virtually every juncture. To what extent he knows his stuff is questionable.
I'd say don't worry about it. I think gunners have more enthusiasm than intelligence in most cases, though SOME gunners do seem truly intelligent as far as applying the law to the facts.
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FlanAl wrote:haha that but it just seems like the level to compete a year ago was like 50-60 hours a week according to TLS and people at asw's. it seems like a lot of people from my class have decided to work about 80 hours a week. It will probably mellow out. I'm doing all the readings and I understand the severity of the situation I'm not going to skip out on free drinks so I can read ahead though. Maybe everyone just wanted a free labor day weekend and decided to work extra hard this week?
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Also should be added that I'm doing law related stuff (class, studying etc.) at least 10-12 hours a day and I definitely feel like I'm doing less than most of my classmates. It's probably just due to the weekend though.
Brah it's probably because your section suuuuckkkkssss.
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I am not sure those who continuously raise hand after giving right answer are true gunners. They probably just feel more confident and want to reaffirm their confidence. I pay more attention to those who're usually quiet but sound articulate in their response.Metaread wrote:People use TLS study guides? Are they of any use?
I think my class has only 2 true gunners, and several others who are "gunner-ish." One person whose comment was approved by our prof. in class when he was cold-called decided to then become a gunner. Over the next 4 classes, he proceeded to raise his hand at virtually every juncture. To what extent he knows his stuff is questionable.
I'd say don't worry about it. I think gunners have more enthusiasm than intelligence in most cases, though SOME gunners do seem truly intelligent as far as applying the law to the facts.
And shit, after reading this thread, I feel like I need to up my tempo.
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I've noticed a few gunners so far. I've also noticed a bunch of people paying tens of thousands of dollars, with legit questions, who keep quiet for fear of being labeled a gunner. The other side of the coin.
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The true gunners are fucking silent. I call them snipers. They are the people who got four outlines for your Torts class before the semester even started. They don't speak in class unless they are called on but when they do they it sounds like they are quoting the restatement from memory. They drink with you at bar review but always seem to be three days ahead in the readings. When you ask them to explain a hypo they recite a clear and concise application of the BLL to the facts while discovering three issues you have yet to cover in class.
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Meh just sounds like someone who works hard. Fine by me. As long as I don't have to listen to them and they don't flaunt it to psych people outshoeshine wrote:The true gunners are fucking silent. I call them snipers. They are the people who got four outlines for your Torts class before the semester even started. They don't speak in class unless they are called on but when they do they it sounds like they are quoting the restatement from memory. They drink with you at bar review but always seem to be three days ahead in the readings. When you ask them to explain a hypo they recite a clear and concise application of the BLL to the facts while discovering three issues you have yet to cover in class.
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Having done quite well 1L year, I can confidently that nobody should ever memorize the restatement.shoeshine wrote:The true gunners are fucking silent. I call them snipers. They are the people who got four outlines for your Torts class before the semester even started. They don't speak in class unless they are called on but when they do they it sounds like they are quoting the restatement from memory. They drink with you at bar review but always seem to be three days ahead in the readings. When you ask them to explain a hypo they recite a clear and concise application of the BLL to the facts while discovering three issues you have yet to cover in class.
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No one is stopping you from asking the prof a question after class.kwais wrote:I've noticed a few gunners so far. I've also noticed a bunch of people paying tens of thousands of dollars, with legit questions, who keep quiet for fear of being labeled a gunner. The other side of the coin.
Just stop doing it frequently on everyone else's time. Chances are whatever the professor has to say is much more important than whatever you have to ask.
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right I get that. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. A few people have relayed their question after class to classmates and the reaction is something like "oh, that's a good question, I would have like to here what the professor would have said. I was confused on that point as well". When this stuff persists, you have crossed the line into groupthink with this whole gunner-shaming thing.johansantana21 wrote:No one is stopping you from asking the prof a question after class.kwais wrote:I've noticed a few gunners so far. I've also noticed a bunch of people paying tens of thousands of dollars, with legit questions, who keep quiet for fear of being labeled a gunner. The other side of the coin.
Just stop doing it frequently on everyone else's time. Chances are whatever the professor has to say is much more important than whatever you have to ask.
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Questions are fine. Multiple questions during class are not. Neither are extended hypotheticals you pulled out of your ass.kwais wrote:right I get that. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. A few people have relayed their question after class to classmates and the reaction is something like "oh, that's a good question, I would have like to here what the professor would have said. I was confused on that point as well". When this stuff persists, you have crossed the line into groupthink with this whole gunner-shaming thing.johansantana21 wrote:No one is stopping you from asking the prof a question after class.kwais wrote:I've noticed a few gunners so far. I've also noticed a bunch of people paying tens of thousands of dollars, with legit questions, who keep quiet for fear of being labeled a gunner. The other side of the coin.
Just stop doing it frequently on everyone else's time. Chances are whatever the professor has to say is much more important than whatever you have to ask.
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Maybe you can give me more insights on this. In my contract class, the prof pulls everything out of the restatement. I mean literally everything. He prefaces every case with restatement definition (for now, and the UCC later on).hawkeye22 wrote:Having done quite well 1L year, I can confidently that nobody should ever memorize the restatement.shoeshine wrote:The true gunners are fucking silent. I call them snipers. They are the people who got four outlines for your Torts class before the semester even started. They don't speak in class unless they are called on but when they do they it sounds like they are quoting the restatement from memory. They drink with you at bar review but always seem to be three days ahead in the readings. When you ask them to explain a hypo they recite a clear and concise application of the BLL to the facts while discovering three issues you have yet to cover in class.
I guess I don't have to memorize word-by-word the restatement. But should I memorize the key elements of each section of the restatement?
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