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Too many gunners

Postby FlanAl » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:27 am

Just started at a T20 and it seems like everyone is gunning super hard. A good deal of people practically quote from the TLS study guides and are in the library all day. Its the first week of school and a lot of people weren't out at all over the weekend because they wanted to get studying done. Anyone else feeling like their school is a lot more gunnerish than expected?

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby KMaine » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:42 am

Strange. It's almost as if countless thousands of dollars of future earnings depend on how hard they work.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby FlanAl » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:02 am

haha that but it just seems like the level to compete a year ago was like 50-60 hours a week according to TLS and people at asw's. it seems like a lot of people from my class have decided to work about 80 hours a week. It will probably mellow out. I'm doing all the readings and I understand the severity of the situation I'm not going to skip out on free drinks so I can read ahead though. Maybe everyone just wanted a free labor day weekend and decided to work extra hard this week?

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Also should be added that I'm doing law related stuff (class, studying etc.) at least 10-12 hours a day and I definitely feel like I'm doing less than most of my classmates. It's probably just due to the weekend though.
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Re: Too many gunners

Postby Bildungsroman » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:04 am

People told you that Cornell would be like this. Remember, those students report averaging more study hours per day than students at any other law school.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby Peg » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:04 am

That's still a little scary, basically because it means you're up against people who have read all the study guides you've read. Sucks.

My section is almost self-consciously anti-gunner, but I think everyone's working just as hard. They are just being very quiet about it.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby 03121202698008 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:06 am

People burn out, slow and steady is the way to go.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby FlanAl » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:06 am

Bildungsroman wrote:People told you that Cornell would be like this. Remember, those students report averaging more study hours per day than students at any other law school.


Thats kinda why I started this thread haha. To figure out if its just Cornell. Isn't chicago supposed to be pretty bad too?

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby Kabuo » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:07 am

Bildungsroman wrote:People told you that Cornell would be like this. Remember, those students report averaging more study hours per day than students at any other law school.


I don't doubt you know something I don't, but who calls Cornell T20? I mean, I know it is, but I thought the only people who said T20 were UCLA, Vandy, USC, WUSTL, GW. And so far the gunners at my school are only notable for how often they're wrong.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby D'Angelo » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:10 am

my section at my school doesn't have very many gunners! only a couple that sort of lean in that way...

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby FlanAl » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:14 am

Kabuo wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:People told you that Cornell would be like this. Remember, those students report averaging more study hours per day than students at any other law school.


I don't doubt you know something I don't, but who calls Cornell T20? I mean, I know it is, but I thought the only people who said T20 were UCLA, Vandy, USC, WUSTL, GW. And so far the gunners at my school are only notable for how often they're wrong.


kinda wanted to include all the schools in the T20 to get a feel for what everyone else is going through. That way when winter comes and all the UCLA non gunners are out in the sun I can be even more bitter haha.

Also that isn't to not include people from other schools, if your T4 is gunned out definitely participate!

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby Peg » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:16 am

question: if there are no gunners in your section, should you be more worried than if there were gunners?

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby MTC87 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:35 pm

The vast majority of gunners will burn out within a few weeks. Relatively few people will sustain the pace that they're working at now.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby 071816 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:54 pm

I feel like at this stage in the game, if you're averaging more than 4-5 hours of studying per day (not including class) you're doing too much. But to each his own I guess.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby SilverE2 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:09 pm

I'm at Vandy, its super laid back.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby vexion » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:15 pm

Cornell 2L reporting in. Don't worry about it. One, yes, anyone doing more than twelve hours a day will burn out quickly. Two, in my experience, grades are only loosely correlated to the amount of work put in. Yes, most of the top 10% LRers put in a lot of work, but there are a few who I know studied only a few hours a day, and there are plenty of people who never left the library all year and didn't break median. It's all about how well you apply law to facts on an exam.

And three, what are you doing for 10-12 hours a day? You don't even have a memo yet. You're reading for four classes. Even though you're new to law school and cases are taking you a lot longer to slog through, that's, like, six hours a day, tops. Efficiency, brah. It's the name of the game.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby Glock » Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:13 pm

There will be a lot fewer gunners in a few weeks. Even fewer after first semester grades come back. I promise.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby FlanAl » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:25 pm

vexion wrote:Cornell 2L reporting in. Don't worry about it. One, yes, anyone doing more than twelve hours a day will burn out quickly. Two, in my experience, grades are only loosely correlated to the amount of work put in. Yes, most of the top 10% LRers put in a lot of work, but there are a few who I know studied only a few hours a day, and there are plenty of people who never left the library all year and didn't break median. It's all about how well you apply law to facts on an exam.

And three, what are you doing for 10-12 hours a day? You don't even have a memo yet. You're reading for four classes. Even though you're new to law school and cases are taking you a lot longer to slog through, that's, like, six hours a day, tops. Efficiency, brah. It's the name of the game.

I included class and anything else law school related, meeting with mentors eating free food etc. Actual nose to book time is like 4-5 hours. I also had three really tedious lawyering homeworks due this week.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby Tanicius » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:37 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:People told you that Cornell would be like this. Remember, those students report averaging more study hours per day than students at any other law school.


I just don't know why this is consistently the case year after year. Seems questionable.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby minnbills » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:38 pm

Sounds pretty par for the course for cornell doesn't it?

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby Cupidity » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:40 pm

FlanAl wrote:Just started at a T20 and it seems like everyone is gunning super hard. A good deal of people practically quote from the TLS study guides and are in the library all day. Its the first week of school and a lot of people weren't out at all over the weekend because they wanted to get studying done. Anyone else feeling like their school is a lot more gunnerish than expected?


They will burn out and fail.

I got drunk and went to hockey games all year --> top 10%.

Fuck them.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby hawkeye22 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:40 pm

This is hilarious. We don't have gunners.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby D'Angelo » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:45 pm

minnbills wrote:Sounds pretty par for the course for cornell doesn't it?

is there anything else to do in ithaca?

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby minnbills » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:48 pm

D'Angelo wrote:is there anything else to do in ithaca?


I have family in that area of NY. It's not that different from most other areas, you just find things to do to entertain yourself. Hang out with your friends, etc.

It's a slower pace of life than NYC or Chitown but I don't understand why people need to be in a place like that to keep themselves occupied with something other than school.

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby lzyovrachievr » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:46 pm

FlanAl wrote: I also had three really tedious lawyering homeworks due this week.

Hmm. Cornell calls it Lawyering, too?

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Re: Too many gunners

Postby thatgirlthere » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:05 pm

FlanAl wrote:Just started at a T20 and it seems like everyone is gunning super hard. A good deal of people practically quote from the TLS study guides and are in the library all day. Its the first week of school and a lot of people weren't out at all over the weekend because they wanted to get studying done. Anyone else feeling like their school is a lot more gunnerish than expected?



I read this and thought “wow, I’m glad people at other schools are feeling this way too!” then I scrolled down and saw we’re at the same school lol. Glad someone else sees what I’m seeing!




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