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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby romothesavior » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:29 pm

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rawrab wrote:I have pretty much given up on reading my casebooks in favor of casenote legal brief books (which I think are amazing) and online briefs. It doesn't seem like I'm missing anything and I completely understand everything the profs talk about in class. Is this a horrible idea? Will this come back to bite me in the ass on the final?


I dunno man, lets get some people on an internet message board to speculate.

Yeah, because asking an internet message board filled with hundreds of current law students (many of whom are at top schools or have great grades or both) a question about law school is a terrible idea.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby kalvano » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:31 pm

You can probably skate by with this on the basic cases, but eventually you're going to get to cases where they look essentially the same but have minute differences in the facts or application of the law, which leads to a different result. Being able to use that type of reason is how you kill exams.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby Naked Dude » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:32 pm

romothesavior wrote:Yeah, because asking an internet message board filled with hundreds of people claiming to be current law students (many some of whom are might be at top schools or have great grades or both) a question about law school is a terrible idea.
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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby romothesavior » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:33 pm

Read the casebook quickly (highlight the BLL or crucial rule) so you know what is going on, then look at the case brief if that helps you. But be warned... sometimes those canned briefs do not focus on the rule or analysis that your prof is looking for. I got away with not reading a decent number of cases last year (especially in Ks for some reason), but in general, you really should be using the casebook.

Also, I find case briefing to be an utter waste of time and so do most of the people I know at the top of my class, but YMMV. Some people swear by it, but if you don't get anything from it, don't worry about it.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby Naked Dude » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:35 pm

romothesavior wrote:Read the casebook quickly (highlight the BLL or crucial rule) so you know what is going on, then look at the case brief if that helps you. But be warned... sometimes those canned briefs do not focus on the rule or analysis that your prof is looking for. I got away with not reading a decent number of cases last year (especially in Ks for some reason), but in general, you really should be using the casebook.

Also, I find case briefing to be an utter waste of time and so do most of the people I know at the top of my class, but YMMV. Some people swear by it, but if you don't get anything from it, don't worry about it.


I've heard the same about Ks from a lot of people at different schools.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby romothesavior » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:43 pm

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romothesavior wrote:Read the casebook quickly (highlight the BLL or crucial rule) so you know what is going on, then look at the case brief if that helps you. But be warned... sometimes those canned briefs do not focus on the rule or analysis that your prof is looking for. I got away with not reading a decent number of cases last year (especially in Ks for some reason), but in general, you really should be using the casebook.

Also, I find case briefing to be an utter waste of time and so do most of the people I know at the top of my class, but YMMV. Some people swear by it, but if you don't get anything from it, don't worry about it.


I've heard the same about Ks from a lot of people at different schools.

Property, crim, and con law are probably the most prof-dependent, so the canned briefs probably don't help much. You could read the exact same cases as another student in a different section, and their prof may treat it completely differently or emphasize some aspects over others. Torts is a beast all on its own, and I think reading the cases in there is actually fun. The cases for Ks and Civ Pro are usually pretty dry and sometimes complicated, so the canned briefs may offer a short, straightforward explanation that you might not get after 1-2 readings through the case. So I suppose Ks and to some degree Civ Pro would lend themselves to the canned briefs better than other classes.

Still, you're investing lots of time and money, just read the damn cases. They're not that hard, and they can even be interesting at times.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby Naked Dude » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:46 pm

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Naked Dude wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Read the casebook quickly (highlight the BLL or crucial rule) so you know what is going on, then look at the case brief if that helps you. But be warned... sometimes those canned briefs do not focus on the rule or analysis that your prof is looking for. I got away with not reading a decent number of cases last year (especially in Ks for some reason), but in general, you really should be using the casebook.

Also, I find case briefing to be an utter waste of time and so do most of the people I know at the top of my class, but YMMV. Some people swear by it, but if you don't get anything from it, don't worry about it.


I've heard the same about Ks from a lot of people at different schools.

Property, crim, and con law are probably the most prof-dependent, so the canned briefs probably don't help much. You could read the exact same cases as another student and the prof may treat it completely differently or emphasize some aspects over others. Torts is a beast all on its own, and I think reading the cases in there is actually fun. The cases for Ks and Civ Pro are usually pretty dry and sometimes complicated, so the canned briefs may offer a short, straightforward explanation that you might not get after 1-2 readings through the case. So I suppose Ks and to some degree Civ Pro would lend themselves to the canned briefs better than other classes.

Still, you're investing lots of time and money, just read the damn cases. They're not that hard, and they can even be interesting at times.


Completely agree. Torts is a lot of fun (although when the comparison is Civ Pro, Ks et al that's not really saying much), especially given my (tentative) interests. Not looking to shirk, just asking is all.

What do you mean Torts is a beast? It's hard or that it's just unique among the classes

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby kalvano » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:50 pm

The best case I've ever read was a Crim case where a guy got shot with a sniper arrow and the judge quoted Shakespeare in the opinion.

The second best was where two guys tried to rob a McDonalds and were too stupid to do so, and then set the place on fire trying to steal a TV before the cops got there.

You won't get that reading the canned briefs.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby 23402385985 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:53 pm

Cupidity wrote:if you go to a TTT who cares, your fucked anyway.


If you write "your" like that on anything substantial, you're probably fucked. :P

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby beach_terror » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:03 pm

romothesavior wrote:
Transferthrowaway wrote:
rawrab wrote:I have pretty much given up on reading my casebooks in favor of casenote legal brief books (which I think are amazing) and online briefs. It doesn't seem like I'm missing anything and I completely understand everything the profs talk about in class. Is this a horrible idea? Will this come back to bite me in the ass on the final?


I dunno man, lets get some people on an internet message board to speculate.

Yeah, because asking an internet message board filled with hundreds of current law students (many of whom are at top schools or have great grades or both) a question about law school is a terrible idea.

Damn son, it was funny. Relax.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby target » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:14 pm

romothesavior wrote:Read the casebook quickly (highlight the BLL or crucial rule) so you know what is going on, then look at the case brief if that helps you. But be warned... sometimes those canned briefs do not focus on the rule or analysis that your prof is looking for. I got away with not reading a decent number of cases last year (especially in Ks for some reason), but in general, you really should be using the casebook.

Also, I find case briefing to be an utter waste of time and so do most of the people I know at the top of my class, but YMMV. Some people swear by it, but if you don't get anything from it, don't worry about it.



rawrab wrote:I have pretty much given up on reading my casebooks in favor of casenote legal brief books (which I think are amazing) and online briefs. It doesn't seem like I'm missing anything and I completely understand everything the profs talk about in class. Is this a horrible idea? Will this come back to bite me in the ass on the final?



There is a difference between formal case briefing and reading cases. OP didn't say he doesn't want to do formal briefing. From what he said, he doesn't want to read cases altogether.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby dailygrind » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:30 pm

kalvano wrote:The best case I've ever read was a Crim case where a guy got shot with a sniper arrow and the judge quoted Shakespeare in the opinion.

The second best was where two guys tried to rob a McDonalds and were too stupid to do so, and then set the place on fire trying to steal a TV before the cops got there.

You won't get that reading the canned briefs.


I think my favorite would be the ghost case of property/contracts (Stambovsky).

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby king3780 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:45 pm

I know thinking ahead to the future isn't big on TLS (get good grades, get an SA position, go big law, hurray), but at some point you may actually end up practicing law and reading cases can be pretty useful for that. You probably won't find canned briefs all that helpful when a partner or client comes in to your office with a problem that needs resolving.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby beach_terror » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:47 pm

king3780 wrote:I know thinking ahead to the future isn't big on TLS (get good grades, get an SA position, go big law, hurray), but at some point you may actually end up practicing law and reading cases can be pretty useful for that. You probably won't find canned briefs all that helpful when a partner or client comes in to your office with a problem that needs resolving.

Ha, like you'd ever have direct client interaction as an associate. Partner: "Hey asshole, figure out this civil procedure issue for me and try not to fuck it up"

I agree with your comment though.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby king3780 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:48 pm

beach_terror wrote:
king3780 wrote:I know thinking ahead to the future isn't big on TLS (get good grades, get an SA position, go big law, hurray), but at some point you may actually end up practicing law and reading cases can be pretty useful for that. You probably won't find canned briefs all that helpful when a partner or client comes in to your office with a problem that needs resolving.

Ha, like you'd ever have direct client interaction as an associate. Partner: "Hey asshole, figure out this civil procedure issue for me and try not to fuck it up"

I agree with your comment though.


The OP is going to work at his family's firm, so I assumed not BigLaw. He might get to interact with clients before year 8 in practice.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby romothesavior » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:48 pm

Naked Dude wrote:What do you mean Torts is a beast? It's hard or that it's just unique among the classes

Unique. Not hard at all, but it is the most "forkish" / GTM-style type of class.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby Grizz » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:51 pm

romothesavior wrote:
Naked Dude wrote:What do you mean Torts is a beast? It's hard or that it's just unique among the classes

Unique. Not hard at all, but it is the most "forkish" / GTM-style type of class.

Yeah. Also torts is easy to understand, so exams tend to be racehorse issue spotters with forks everywhere where (not always), writing a TON of words wins.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby Naked Dude » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:03 am

romothesavior wrote:
Naked Dude wrote:What do you mean Torts is a beast? It's hard or that it's just unique among the classes

Unique. Not hard at all, but it is the most "forkish" / GTM-style type of class.


That's the impression I've been getting. I've been trying to build forks into my notes by paying special attention to the dissents and reinterpretations of rules...although I guess I should do that anyway.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby Naked Dude » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:04 am

Grizz wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
Naked Dude wrote:What do you mean Torts is a beast? It's hard or that it's just unique among the classes

Unique. Not hard at all, but it is the most "forkish" / GTM-style type of class.

Yeah. Also torts is easy to understand, so exams tend to be racehorse issue spotters with forks everywhere where (not always), writing a TON of words wins.


So essentially just a brute-force attack?

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby beach_terror » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:05 am

Naked Dude wrote:
Grizz wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
Naked Dude wrote:What do you mean Torts is a beast? It's hard or that it's just unique among the classes

Unique. Not hard at all, but it is the most "forkish" / GTM-style type of class.

Yeah. Also torts is easy to understand, so exams tend to be racehorse issue spotters with forks everywhere where (not always), writing a TON of words wins.


So essentially just a brute-force attack?

Typically they're closed book issue spotters, so yeah. Too many issues to actually address in the exam, so the more you can do helps tremendously.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby dood » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:09 am

Transferthrowaway wrote:
rawrab wrote:I have pretty much given up on reading my casebooks in favor of casenote legal brief books (which I think are amazing) and online briefs. It doesn't seem like I'm missing anything and I completely understand everything the profs talk about in class. Is this a horrible idea? Will this come back to bite me in the ass on the final?


I dunno man, lets get some people on an internet message board to speculate.


lol +180

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby BarbellDreams » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:34 am

I stopped reading my Crim Book after week 1 cause my prof was a complete joke and got an A by reading 3 supplements. I wouldn't recommend this unless you really know what you're doing though.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby 23402385985 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:22 am

beach_terror wrote:Typically they're closed book issue spotters, so yeah. Too many issues to actually address in the exam, so the more you can do helps tremendously.


Luckily my torts exam is multiple choice.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby beach_terror » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:35 am

joncrooshal wrote:
beach_terror wrote:Typically they're closed book issue spotters, so yeah. Too many issues to actually address in the exam, so the more you can do helps tremendously.


Luckily my torts exam is multiple choice.

You mean unluckily, right? Have fun with that, MC exams are shitty as hell.

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Re: Stopped Reading the Casebook

Postby 23402385985 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:39 am

beach_terror wrote:
joncrooshal wrote:
beach_terror wrote:Typically they're closed book issue spotters, so yeah. Too many issues to actually address in the exam, so the more you can do helps tremendously.


Luckily my torts exam is multiple choice.

You mean unluckily, right? Have fun with that, MC exams are shitty as hell.


Was being sarcastic, for sure.




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