One approach to 1L success from someone ranked #1.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Holly Golightly » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:25 am

Renne Walker wrote:As an about-to-be 1L, this thread provides a nicely detailed and appreciated insight into preparation options. While I believe in preparation, it isn’t a secret-sauce that always work. . . I was practice scoring in the 175-178 LSAT range, but apparently choked on test day―170―good enough for the bottom half of the T-6 (and a likely debt of +$200K). What I hope is addressed at some point is preparation for OCI. To me the primary benefit of a high “T” ranking are the OCI opportunities. If not for the inducement of the OCI, I would have opted for a free ride at a respectable Tier 1 school. Is Law Review, or Moot Court honors or [is it] something else that paves the way for a successful OCI outcome?

As a side note, I am glad to read that the OP suggests reading prior to entering LS. A number of posters have suggested that it is a waste of time because of various reasons. I just received my code to LexisNexis so I suppose reading indoors beats 103° outdoors!

...what could you possibly do on Lexis that would be at all useful before attending a single class?

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby paulinaporizkova » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:29 am

Holly Golightly wrote:
Renne Walker wrote:As an about-to-be 1L, this thread provides a nicely detailed and appreciated insight into preparation options. While I believe in preparation, it isn’t a secret-sauce that always work. . . I was practice scoring in the 175-178 LSAT range, but apparently choked on test day―170―good enough for the bottom half of the T-6 (and a likely debt of +$200K). What I hope is addressed at some point is preparation for OCI. To me the primary benefit of a high “T” ranking are the OCI opportunities. If not for the inducement of the OCI, I would have opted for a free ride at a respectable Tier 1 school. Is Law Review, or Moot Court honors or [is it] something else that paves the way for a successful OCI outcome?

As a side note, I am glad to read that the OP suggests reading prior to entering LS. A number of posters have suggested that it is a waste of time because of various reasons. I just received my code to LexisNexis so I suppose reading indoors beats 103° outdoors!

...what could you possibly do on Lexis that would be at all useful before attending a single class?


JUST USE YOUR IMAGINATION OKAY

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Kilpatrick » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:53 am

Renne Walker wrote:As an about-to-be 1L, this thread provides a nicely detailed and appreciated insight into preparation options. While I believe in preparation, it isn’t a secret-sauce that always work. . . I was practice scoring in the 175-178 LSAT range, but apparently choked on test day―170―good enough for the bottom half of the T-6 (and a likely debt of +$200K). What I hope is addressed at some point is preparation for OCI. To me the primary benefit of a high “T” ranking are the OCI opportunities. If not for the inducement of the OCI, I would have opted for a free ride at a respectable Tier 1 school. Is Law Review, or Moot Court honors or [is it] something else that paves the way for a successful OCI outcome?

As a side note, I am glad to read that the OP suggests reading prior to entering LS. A number of posters have suggested that it is a waste of time because of various reasons. I just received my code to LexisNexis so I suppose reading indoors beats 103° outdoors!


You actually paid money to sign up for Lexis? You're not even 0L gunning right - you should've got Westlaw

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Borhas » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:56 am

Renne Walker wrote:I just received my code to LexisNexis so I suppose reading indoors beats 103° outdoors!


this might literally be the biggest waste of time I've ever heard of

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Renne Walker » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:49 am

Kilpatrick wrote:You actually paid money to sign up for Lexis? You're not even 0L gunning right - you should've got Westlaw


It is free. . . unless one includes tuition : ). Westlaw should be available sometime soon. Whether or not these databases are helpful today is questionable. . . but when classes begin, they should come in handy. Right?

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby goodolgil » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:54 am

Renne Walker wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:You actually paid money to sign up for Lexis? You're not even 0L gunning right - you should've got Westlaw


It is free. . . unless one includes tuition : ). Westlaw should be available sometime soon. Whether or not these databases are helpful today is questionable. . . but when classes begin, they should come in handy. Right?


The only class you're going to use those for is Legal Writing.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby brose » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:57 am

:roll: @ prepping by reading lexis lol

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Kilpatrick » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:00 am

Renne Walker wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:You actually paid money to sign up for Lexis? You're not even 0L gunning right - you should've got Westlaw


It is free. . . unless one includes tuition : ). Westlaw should be available sometime soon. Whether or not these databases are helpful today is questionable. . . but when classes begin, they should come in handy. Right?


Oh ok good. I didn't realize you would get your law school Lexis pass so early. When classes begin it's handy if you didn't read for the day and you get cold called. Those summaries at the beginning of the cases can prevent you from being completely humiliated.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby romothesavior » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:00 pm

Renne Walker wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:You actually paid money to sign up for Lexis? You're not even 0L gunning right - you should've got Westlaw


It is free. . . unless one includes tuition : ). Westlaw should be available sometime soon. Whether or not these databases are helpful today is questionable. . . but when classes begin, they should come in handy. Right?

Wrong. This is a bigger waste of time than the 0L who told me they're spending their summer reading the Bluebook.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby accepted10 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:39 pm

Wow your schedule is impressive. I know I couldn't have survived my 1L without doing prep. I took a 1L year prep course called Law School Bootcamp. They went over all 1L subjects. I also developed my own schedule similar to yours but I scheduled a little extra time for socializing. I hope this helps all of you entering your 1L year.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Kilpatrick » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:04 pm

accepted10 wrote:Wow your schedule is impressive. I know I couldn't have survived my 1L without doing prep. I took a 1L year prep course called Law School Bootcamp. They went over all 1L subjects. I also developed my own schedule similar to yours but I scheduled a little extra time for socializing. I hope this helps all of you entering your 1L year.


This is the 2nd shill for Law School Bootcamp I've seen today.

What exactly did they teach you in this camp that was worth a thousand bucks?

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby NYC Law » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:04 pm

Kilpatrick wrote:
accepted10 wrote:Wow your schedule is impressive. I know I couldn't have survived my 1L without doing prep. I took a 1L year prep course called Law School Bootcamp. They went over all 1L subjects. I also developed my own schedule similar to yours but I scheduled a little extra time for socializing. I hope this helps all of you entering your 1L year.


This is the 2nd shill for Law School Bootcamp I've seen today.

What exactly did they teach you in this camp that was worth a thousand bucks?


Did the other one also have <10 posts?

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Kilpatrick » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:39 pm

NYC Law wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:
accepted10 wrote:Wow your schedule is impressive. I know I couldn't have survived my 1L without doing prep. I took a 1L year prep course called Law School Bootcamp. They went over all 1L subjects. I also developed my own schedule similar to yours but I scheduled a little extra time for socializing. I hope this helps all of you entering your 1L year.


This is the 2nd shill for Law School Bootcamp I've seen today.

What exactly did they teach you in this camp that was worth a thousand bucks?


Did the other one also have <10 posts?


Three, and they all mentioned Law School Bootcamp

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby NYC Law » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:41 pm

Kilpatrick wrote:
NYC Law wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:
accepted10 wrote:Wow your schedule is impressive. I know I couldn't have survived my 1L without doing prep. I took a 1L year prep course called Law School Bootcamp. They went over all 1L subjects. I also developed my own schedule similar to yours but I scheduled a little extra time for socializing. I hope this helps all of you entering your 1L year.


This is the 2nd shill for Law School Bootcamp I've seen today.

What exactly did they teach you in this camp that was worth a thousand bucks?


Did the other one also have <10 posts?


Three, and they all mentioned Law School Bootcamp


Just reported this one for spam then.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Kilpatrick » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:44 pm

OLs - make an informed decision about whether to do 0L prep. There are arguments on both sides. But certainly don't pay a thousand bucks to do it. There's nothing they can teach you that you can't learn on your own for free or for cheap. Guides like the one in the OP are a way better resource.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby fish52 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:33 pm

This person's life sounds absolutely miserable. Congrats to OP on the #1, but at what price?? I'm sure there are plenty of people at peer schools who actually made friends, joined clinics, engaged in activities other than obsessing over class prep, actually had a LIFE, and will be making the same amount of money as OP after graduation.

Sure, being #1 might provide some additional security, but there are PLENTY of people in BigLaw that are not OP.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby NYC Law » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:34 pm

5 bucks says OP is a 0L trolling all the other 0Ls.

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Postby BruceWayne » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:40 pm

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Postby Dany » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:42 pm

fish52 wrote:This person's life sounds absolutely miserable. Congrats to OP on the #1, but at what price?? I'm sure there are plenty of people at peer schools who actually made friends, joined clinics, engaged in activities other than obsessing over class prep, actually had a LIFE, and will be making the same amount of money as OP after graduation.

Sure, being #1 might provide some additional security, but there are PLENTY of people in BigLaw that are not OP.

I'm positive there are many, many more people from similarly ranked schools who will be making much less than OP.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby NYC Law » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:43 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
NYC Law wrote:5 bucks says OP is a 0L trolling all the other 0Ls.


20 bucks says you're one of those posters who trolls 0Ls telling them that "0L prep is useless" and most people at my school with very high grades are "laid back" but "really smart and know how to apply law to fact". People push that garbage like mad on here but most of the people with tip top grades go berserk durinig 1L. Maybe not quite as beserk as the OP, but pretty damn wild. And honestly, the one's who are as high up as the OP do put in this kind of work.


Chill, I'm a 0L lol. It was just an amusing hypothetical.

But I don't really care either way, I've seen convincing arguments on both sides. It just seems like personal choice (I personally am going to do some 0L prep, just read the E&Es for a basic understanding).

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby fish52 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:49 pm

Dany wrote:
fish52 wrote:This person's life sounds absolutely miserable. Congrats to OP on the #1, but at what price?? I'm sure there are plenty of people at peer schools who actually made friends, joined clinics, engaged in activities other than obsessing over class prep, actually had a LIFE, and will be making the same amount of money as OP after graduation.

Sure, being #1 might provide some additional security, but there are PLENTY of people in BigLaw that are not OP.

I'm positive there are many, many more people from similarly ranked schools who will be making much less than OP.

Umm....agreed? I think you're missing my point.

Conversely, there are probably many people at similarly ranked schools that will be making much MORE than OP. The world doesn't work in such a fashion that output equals input. One can slave away, be #1 in their class at a T6, and they will STILL end up making less than many who graduated in the middle of their class at a #70 law school who made smart investment decisions. Hell, Johnnie Cochran went to Loyola Law School and probably made more money than OP ever will. This kind of "lack of order in the universe" is far more common than most are willing to admit.

OP provides an....ambitious....schedule for 1Ls to try to imitate--and certainly, that's helpful. OP is #1, and certainly that is commendable. But Jesus, I'd rather jump off a bridge.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby crossingforHYS » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:52 pm

I'm ocd and will give this schedule a try.....but we will see :)

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Dany » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:59 pm

OP doesn't go to a T6. He goes to school where it's pretty much necessary to do extremely well to get biglaw. So you spouting off anecdotes about all the people who didn't work that hard to get biglaw is kind of ridiculous because the majority of those people probably went to the very top schools. They're not from OP's peer schools. OP posted what worked for him. He acknowledged his priorities and lifestyle are somewhat different than the average student's. You don't have to follow the same routine, nor does anyone else. But bashing OP's study habits for being miserable and suicide-inducing doesn't exactly encourage other people to post what worked for them, and that's certainly something useful for TLS.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby Wholigan » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:12 pm

OP wrote: 68 paragraphs on being the uber gunner of all gunners


Renne Walker wrote:I just received my code to LexisNexis so I suppose reading indoors beats 103° outdoors!


crossingforHYS wrote:I'm ocd and will give this schedule a try.....but we will see


I know someone is going to dispute this, but OP has an LSAT score 13-15 points higher than the likely median at his school. That's extremely rare, and I'd say it plays into his #1 ranking as much as, if not more than, all of the gunner tactics combined. I tip my hat to OP since this worked out really well for him, but I bet he could have been at least one of the top three people in his class doing 25% of the amount of work he did.

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Re: Guide to 1L Success from someone ranked #1.

Postby 23402385985 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:16 pm

Wholigan wrote:
OP wrote: 68 paragraphs on being the uber gunner of all gunners


Renne Walker wrote:I just received my code to LexisNexis so I suppose reading indoors beats 103° outdoors!


crossingforHYS wrote:I'm ocd and will give this schedule a try.....but we will see


I know someone is going to dispute this, but OP has an LSAT score 13-15 points higher than the likely median at his school. That's extremely rare, and I'd say it plays into his #1 ranking as much as, if not more than, all of the gunner tactics combined. I tip my hat to OP since this worked out really well for him, but I bet he could have been at least one of the top three people in his class doing 25% of the amount of work he did.


While true, it goes along with what a few others did who were similarly ranked at the end of their 1L.




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