Computers for Law School 2011

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby FalafelWaffle » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:31 pm

kalvano wrote:
FalafelWaffle wrote:Thinkpads are ugly as fuck. There's something to be said for design consistency (I guess?), but other than the blue enter key, my 2001 Thinkpad (somewhere in a closet) looks pretty much the same as a new one. I'm being glib, but they really do look like shit. Looks aren't everything-but if you're going to spend hours a day staring at the damn thing buy one that doesn't make you gag. Plenty of inexpensive HPs, Toshibas, and other Lenovos that don't look like shit. I think most PCs are pretty comparable (the Toshiba Protege is what I would get if I wanted a new PC laptop), except for Dell or Gateway. I wouldn't get those two.

Although I agree 100% on the Thinkpad's keyboard usability.



Who gives a shit how it looks?

All that matter is how usable it is. The Thinkpad has a fantastic keyboard and it won't poop a lung when someone's backpack knocks it off the table as they try and squeeze by.


I basically said that my response was glib. The ThinkPad's keyboard usability and general reliability would probably tip the scales for me, but I spend my life on my computer, all I ask is that it doesn't look like shit. And I don't mean that in the Apple fanboy douche sense, I mean that as any person who has to stare at something for hours a day every day. I concede that usability trumps design, but design is a consideration for me. If you're (general second person not you specifically) a holier than thou PC loyalist, bastion of computing pragmatism doosh I guess that doesn't register.

And I stand by my earlier statement of a shitty keyboard being an unequivocal dealbreaker (unless the computer is free).

Point being that there are morons on either side. PC loyalists take the side of pragmatism and feel the need to shit on MacBooks, occupying a smug sense of elitism over their perceived superior intellect in recognizing Steve Jobs as the proverbial emperor with no clothes. And Apple loyalists repeating talking points about OS X usability and how it's "unpossible lolz" for a Mac to get a virus. OS X vs Windows compatibility problems are virtually a nonissue these days, so get whatever fits your own personal standards. If you have no personal standards when it comes to computing buy a $400 Inspiron and hope you don't accidentally kill someone when you chuck it out your window. And as for design, function trumps form every time, no question, but I value a product that's mildly pleasing aesthetically. And I value laptops without shitty keyboards.
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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby joemoviebuff » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:35 pm

Do you guys plan on having a desktop and a laptop or just a laptop? Trying to figure out how best to distribute my computer funds for law school. Should I get both or just a pimped laptop?

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby FalafelWaffle » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:40 pm

joemoviebuff wrote:Do you guys plan on having a desktop and a laptop or just a laptop? Trying to figure out how best to distribute my computer funds for law school. Should I get both or just a pimped laptop?


I see no reason for a student to have a desktop, especially if you can afford a good laptop.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby booboo » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:50 pm

Another note of mention with MBPs, they have the best resale values of any computer out there.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby beachbum » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:50 pm

joemoviebuff wrote:Do you guys plan on having a desktop and a laptop or just a laptop? Trying to figure out how best to distribute my computer funds for law school. Should I get both or just a pimped laptop?


No reason to have both, and nothing beats the convenience of a laptop. If you want, buy a nice laptop and some external storage to back-up those all-important outlines/briefs/memos/etc.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby kalvano » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:05 am

beachbum wrote: some external storage to back-up those all-important outlines/briefs/memos/etc.



Don't pay for that.

Dropbox is all you need.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby hokie » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:08 am

joemoviebuff wrote:Do you guys plan on having a desktop and a laptop or just a laptop? Trying to figure out how best to distribute my computer funds for law school. Should I get both or just a pimped laptop?


It makes sense just to get a laptop. I have both and highly prefer this setup (I only use laptops for business trips/vacations) but for law school a laptop should do just fine

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby FalafelWaffle » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:09 am

kalvano wrote:
beachbum wrote: some external storage to back-up those all-important outlines/briefs/memos/etc.



Don't pay for that.

Dropbox is all you need.


The standard free storage should be all you need and they also have promotions/referrals for free extra space. Although I will add you can get a pretty decent external hard drive for under $100-pretty negligible price when you're talking about computing costs. I have this one http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Rikiki-Portable-External-301909/dp/B0031NDVQ8/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1299470869&sr=1-7

Very reasonably priced. If you're just backing up word documents, it may be overkill, but unless you're paying, free DropBox isn't enough to clone your hard drive.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby beachbum » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:48 am

kalvano wrote:
beachbum wrote: some external storage to back-up those all-important outlines/briefs/memos/etc.



Don't pay for that.

Dropbox is all you need.


Dropbox? Huh, learn somethin new everyday.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby luckdragon » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:00 am

External hard drive is essential for all the downloaded pornography and FLAC files.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby geoduck » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:40 am

joemoviebuff wrote:Do you guys plan on having a desktop and a laptop or just a laptop? Trying to figure out how best to distribute my computer funds for law school. Should I get both or just a pimped laptop?


I will have both... Simply because I have no reason to get rid of my iMac that I've been using for video editing for around 3 years now. Still works great. That also completely frees me to get the MacBook Air for the portability and battery life. But if I were buying for all my computing, I'd put it all into the laptop and maybe a monitor and external hard drive.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby FalafelWaffle » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:02 pm

beachbum wrote:
kalvano wrote:
beachbum wrote: some external storage to back-up those all-important outlines/briefs/memos/etc.



Don't pay for that.

Dropbox is all you need.


Dropbox? Huh, learn somethin new everyday.


Can't recommend Dropbox enough. Refer as many people as you can for the free storage, and be on the lookout for special promotions to get more free storage

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby kalvano » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:19 pm

For anyone interested in signing up for Dropbox, go here - http://db.tt/sBYJQVC

I get some additional free storage, and so do you.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby bk1 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:13 pm

beachbum wrote:
joemoviebuff wrote:Do you guys plan on having a desktop and a laptop or just a laptop? Trying to figure out how best to distribute my computer funds for law school. Should I get both or just a pimped laptop?


No reason to have both, and nothing beats the convenience of a laptop. If you want, buy a nice laptop and some external storage to back-up those all-important outlines/briefs/memos/etc.


Disagree. If you want a gaming rig then you should do desktop/laptop, imo. Other than that, I don't see a reason to get a pimped laptop or a desktop for most people.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby savagedm » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:35 pm

bk1 wrote:
beachbum wrote:
joemoviebuff wrote:Do you guys plan on having a desktop and a laptop or just a laptop? Trying to figure out how best to distribute my computer funds for law school. Should I get both or just a pimped laptop?


No reason to have both, and nothing beats the convenience of a laptop. If you want, buy a nice laptop and some external storage to back-up those all-important outlines/briefs/memos/etc.


Disagree. If you want a gaming rig then you should do desktop/laptop, imo. Other than that, I don't see a reason to get a pimped laptop or a desktop for most people.


Pimped up laptop with a ton of external storage rules.. If I get bored at home, I can pack my stuff up and hit up Starbucks for homework. When I get bored, I can open a video game for a bit, then get back to my work after it lets me clear my head a bit.

A desktop does not allow such freedom.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby bk1 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:39 pm

savagedm wrote:Pimped up laptop with a ton of external storage rules.. If I get bored at home, I can pack my stuff up and hit up Starbucks for homework. When I get bored, I can open a video game for a bit, then get back to my work after it lets me clear my head a bit.

A desktop does not allow such freedom.


It's not the cost effective solution but it does allow for decent mobile gaming. I just find that I would rather not have that bulk or that cost considering I rarely want to do that and if I do want something to clear my head I'll probably just fire up Tetris or N.

I can see arguments for getting the pimped laptop, but I personally don't think it is worth it over getting a desktop/laptop combo (as it will be cheaper and probably more powerful to boot).

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby savagedm » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:48 pm

bk1 wrote:
savagedm wrote:Pimped up laptop with a ton of external storage rules.. If I get bored at home, I can pack my stuff up and hit up Starbucks for homework. When I get bored, I can open a video game for a bit, then get back to my work after it lets me clear my head a bit.

A desktop does not allow such freedom.


It's not the cost effective solution but it does allow for decent mobile gaming. I just find that I would rather not have that bulk or that cost considering I rarely want to do that and if I do want something to clear my head I'll probably just fire up Tetris or N.

I can see arguments for getting the pimped laptop, but I personally don't think it is worth it over getting a desktop/laptop combo (as it will be cheaper and probably more powerful to boot).


Yeah if my laptop wasn't a gift, I'd probably be in the same boat.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby absolutazn87 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:02 pm

geoduck wrote:How has the MacBook air not come up yet? Especially if you wait till the next revision. 1440x900 on a 13.3 inch screen and 7 hours of battery life is pretty killer for me. If you want it to be your only computer and somehow really need discs, get a cheap external drive and keep it at home. The power is more than fine for standard business purposes.

I have a 13'' Macbook Air right now and it's the best machine I've ever owned. I sold my old Macbook Pro on craigslist a few months ago and bought one of these. The solid state drive is ridiculously fast and greatly increases the speed of the computer. Apps and documents open almost instantly. The machine boots up in under 10 seconds.

And even though Apple just upgrade the Macbook Pros to Sandy Bridge, they still don't have 1440x900 in a 13.3'' display and the new Macbook Pros are running intel's shit integrated graphics while the Air runs Nvidia's 320m.

The Air does cost somewhat more (and definitely get 4GB of RAM, 2GB is ridiculous) but the balance of speed and weight is just about perfect (at least for me)

PS: dropbox is the greatest thing ever! http://db.tt/QJ8uZ4B

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby renorunningirl » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:16 pm

I have loved my MacBook (not pro) which is going on three years old now for my computer intensive UG. Personally I am planning to upgrade to a Pro for law school because my battery life is way too low, but keep my current computer as an emergency backup. I love Macs but I agree with some of the above posters that you can get an amazing PC for less money.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby BackToTheOldHouse » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:37 pm

Regarding the laptop vs. desktop question, I plan on splitting the difference by making a mickey-moused docking station at home--that way I can have my laptop with me on campus, but when back home I can plug the small screen (13 inch) into the big screen (24 inch) and go from there (plus, full size keyboard and mouse, for those that care).

Seems like the most convenient and comfortable option out there (for all us non-gamers).

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby FalafelWaffle » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:05 pm

Also, re Mac compatibility-literally the only people I know of with compatibility issues on OS X are those with either unique business software needs and hardcore gamers. It should be a nonissue for almost everyone else.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby frijoles99 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:05 pm

So I wanted to add my two cents to the conversation thus far. Yes, this thread needs to be redone about every 6 months to keep up with the times lol. Second, if you are a gamer at all you should not purchase a mac. Yes they have nice video cards and yes steam was just put on MAC, but unfortunately the drivers for games are not properly optomized for apple computers.

Take the nvidia 310 processor. It will work better in a windows operating environment than in a OSx operating environment by a factor of 50 to 60%. Just FYI this is why under many circumstances Nvidia has managed to keep up with ATI despite having not as powerful graphics processors, their driver's are just ridiculously well optomized.

If you are looking to game with a machine that you also use for law school thinkpads are not an option. Your choice is either asus or the Dell m11x. an 11 in. laptop that can handle all current games super well at medium to higher resolutions and won't break the bank at about $800. It has a very powerful graphics processor and it makes up for its smaller screen by having a higher pixel density. I.E. It pushes more image into the smaller screen while still looking good. My issue with this laptop is it's weight. to house that oomph it weighs 4.7 ish lb which is about 1.5 more than I wanted to carry around.

If you are looking for a law school machine that is capable of occasional gaming or at least solid video performance I would suggest this.
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-U33JC-A1-13- ... MHSJZMPRDQ

It has a very good graphics card that will play most games at medium resolution and more importantly weighs about a lb. less. Secondly it's classy with that bamboo finish.

Finally, I love the form factor of the 13 Macbook Air. Frankly I think it is the future of computers. Thin super light and with the minimum necessary functionality.However, I cannot recommend it yet. Price is an important factor at 1300 with a 128 ssd i don't see it as a reasonable value proposition for my sole law school computer. Currently I think it weighs

2.7 lb. with these specs.
1.86GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor
2GB memory
128GB flash storage1
NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics
7 hours battery life
priced 1300

The asus u33jc specs are

3.7 lb with these specs
Intel Core i3-370M Processor (2.4 GHz)
Nvidia G310M Graphics Engine with 1 GB DDR3 Dedicated VRAM and Optimus Technology
4 GB of DDR3 1066MHz DRAM (2 GB x 2 slots), 4 GB Max; Intel Wireless 802.11 b/g/n + WiDi
500 GB Hard Drive (5400 RPM); No Optical Disk Drive; Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit) Operating System
13.3-Inch HD (1366x768) LED Display; HDMI Port; USB 3.0 port; Bluetooth; 8 cell 5600 mAh battery
10 hours battery life
priced $829

As you can see that extra lb of weight is going to cost you quite a bit on so many fronts performance, battery life and graphics processing(optomized drivers). I only use the asus as an example, but feel free to input ibm/dell/toshiba portege and compare performance and price.


Best backup software everyone in the world should use is MOZY it is free (up to 2gb). Basically just have it save your excel and word files and it automatically backs up everything on its own. You don't have to think about it. Dropbox should also be used it's great for sharing across computers but it is not an automatic backup option, it won't save all the files on your computer.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby geoduck » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:57 pm

Yes Mac notebooks aren't hardcore gaming machines. Especially the air. But you are giving that ASUS way too much credit. It only has a 1366x768 16:9 screen to the air's 1440x900 16:10 screen. It also has a mushy keyboard.

I'm not sure where you are getting 10 hours battery though. Notebook review gives it just over 6 hours with 75% screen brightness just doing word processing and web browsing. The same website got that long with the 11 inch air with similar settings... And that model is ony rated for 5 hours. Apple learned to start under estimating their battery claims after that class action suit over the iPods about 5 years back. You can easily pull more than 8 hours from the "7 hour" battery in the 13 inch.

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby kalvano » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:07 am

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Re: Computers for Law School 2011

Postby BackToTheOldHouse » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:13 am

kalvano wrote:Image


lulz

And I am a mac person going for a PC for lawl school. Damn you Onenote!!!




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