Lol Oh man.Stringer6 wrote:Any suggestions or reading materials on "working a happy hour"? This sounds horrifying. I despise these types of social situations, although i guess i could buckle down if it really mattered. And when are these happy hours? 1L?
got this from NALP:slacker wrote:What exactly is considered "fast" when it comes to typing? Anyone have an actual words per minute that you have in mind? Just wondering.
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Is this for real? How can you be expected to type that many wpm while trying to articulate a well written answer within 3 hours? Why do the amount of words/pages matter in terms of grading anyway? I had the notion that it was better to be concise and accurate rather than verbose. Or maybe I'm wrong and that many words is considered concise in law school...fatduck wrote:got this from NALP:slacker wrote:What exactly is considered "fast" when it comes to typing? Anyone have an actual words per minute that you have in mind? Just wondering.
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Ha. Too true.fatduck wrote:got this from NALP:slacker wrote:What exactly is considered "fast" when it comes to typing? Anyone have an actual words per minute that you have in mind? Just wondering.
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Credited.Helmholtz wrote:I would recommend Garner's Redbook for legal writing. You might as well pick up Volokh's "Academic Legal Writing" now (there shouldn't be a new edition for another 2-3 years, and you're going to buy it anyway, so why not). A lot of different guides will do for general grammar/usage. I liked Strunk & White.thecilent wrote:I've heard the bolded a couple times and def planned on working on that. Never heard about familiarizing with bluebooking though. Any recommendations on style guides? thanks btwHelmholtz wrote:I know that the competition for LR starts almost immediately after finals are done here, but you're going to start doing some legal writing and bluebooking pretty early into your first semester. Eugene Volokh, in his book on legal writing and law review competitions, stresses that you should be extremely familiar with the bluebook and a general/legal style guide long before that time even rolls around. You'll save yourself some time and anxiety if you're already plugged into those guides. And unlike law courses for the most part, which can differ wildly from professor to professor, generally speaking, what's good bluebooking/writing at Harvard is good bluebooking/writing at Cornell which is good bluebooking/writing at UIUC.
Oh, and I forgot something else. This may sound ridiculously premature, but get some of your 1L summer job stuff done before you start LS. You're going to be overwhelmed as things get moving and around Dec. 1st, you're probably going to be feeling the walls of your first exams start to close in. This is really my biggest regret re: 0L prep. I wish to god that I had the foresight to take care of the bulk of all things 1L summer early on.
As another 1L who was quite satisfied with his first semester grades, this post gets a +1 from me.ogurty wrote:OP: As someone who did a bit of 0L prep and then did well first semester, here's my advice:
Read Getting to Maybe and the most well-respected articles on TLS on doing well in law school - xeoh, Arrow, etc. Everything else was pretty useless for me.
If you can't type fast, learn to.
Otherwise, just get as much of your life in order as you can so you have as much time as possible to focus on school. Have a pretty solid exercise regimen. Get an idea of how you'll eat healthfully while at school. If you're commuting, make sure your car is in good shape - something I wish I'd done.
Read a bit of E&Es if it relieves your anxiety - it can't hurt - but after going through a semester of school, I'm solidly in the camp that says it won't help. They'll only help once you have an idea of what your professor is looking for.
As hard as it is to believe (and trust me I'm still having a hard time grasping it) a lot of kids can type that fast and still come up with a well written answer. You really need to learn how to type rapidly before you get to law school. As far as the "it's better to be concise and accurate" thing, there's some truth to that, but here's the reality. Essentially everyone taking the exam will be writing accurate arguments. Consequently, if everyone's writing accurate arguments, but someone is writing less (quantity wise) accurate arguments than someone else, that means they are getting less points. The other thing to keep in mind is that the majority of 1L law exams are variations on the issue spotter style exam. On an issue spotter exam the name of the game is to write accurate well written answers about as many issues as possible.adonai wrote:Is this for real? How can you be expected to type that many wpm while trying to articulate a well written answer within 3 hours? Why do the amount of words/pages matter in terms of grading anyway? I had the notion that it was better to be concise and accurate rather than verbose. Or maybe I'm wrong and that many words is considered concise in law school...fatduck wrote:got this from NALP:slacker wrote:What exactly is considered "fast" when it comes to typing? Anyone have an actual words per minute that you have in mind? Just wondering.
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I really, really doubt anyone is typing essay responses at over 100 wpm (and I can break 200 on typing tests)BruceWayne wrote:As hard as it is to believe (and trust me I'm still having a hard time grasping it) a lot of kids can type that fast and still come up with a well written answer. You really need to learn how to type rapidly before you get to law school. As far as the "it's better to be concise and accurate" thing, there's some truth to that, but here's the reality. Essentially everyone taking the exam will be writing accurate arguments. Consequently, if everyone's writing accurate arguments, but someone is writing less (quantity wise) accurate arguments than someone else, that means they are getting less points. The other thing to keep in mind is that the majority of 1L law exams are variations on the issue spotter style exam. On an issue spotter exam the name of the game is to write accurate well written answers about as many issues as possible.adonai wrote:Is this for real? How can you be expected to type that many wpm while trying to articulate a well written answer within 3 hours? Why do the amount of words/pages matter in terms of grading anyway? I had the notion that it was better to be concise and accurate rather than verbose. Or maybe I'm wrong and that many words is considered concise in law school...fatduck wrote:got this from NALP:slacker wrote:What exactly is considered "fast" when it comes to typing? Anyone have an actual words per minute that you have in mind? Just wondering.
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0L here, but I also really doubt how true it is that one's typing speed is a key ingredient to success. Do the professors really give out exams that people who type at 65 wpm (like myselfBruceWayne wrote:As hard as it is to believe (and trust me I'm still having a hard time grasping it) a lot of kids can type that fast and still come up with a well written answer. You really need to learn how to type rapidly before you get to law school. As far as the "it's better to be concise and accurate" thing, there's some truth to that, but here's the reality. Essentially everyone taking the exam will be writing accurate arguments. Consequently, if everyone's writing accurate arguments, but someone is writing less (quantity wise) accurate arguments than someone else, that means they are getting less points. The other thing to keep in mind is that the majority of 1L law exams are variations on the issue spotter style exam. On an issue spotter exam the name of the game is to write accurate well written answers about as many issues as possible.adonai wrote:Is this for real? How can you be expected to type that many wpm while trying to articulate a well written answer within 3 hours? Why do the amount of words/pages matter in terms of grading anyway? I had the notion that it was better to be concise and accurate rather than verbose. Or maybe I'm wrong and that many words is considered concise in law school...fatduck wrote:got this from NALP:slacker wrote:What exactly is considered "fast" when it comes to typing? Anyone have an actual words per minute that you have in mind? Just wondering.
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) cannot get an A on? I know that exams are curved, but I have a hard time believing that just because I might be slower than average at typing that I will be unable to write an above average exam. Again, I doubt professors would be so dumb to make the exam a speed typing competition.
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JazzOne wrote:I have found law school grading to be much more arbitrary than one would hope. Is it impossible for a slow typist to earn an A? No. Would it be easier if that person could type faster? Yes. That is because some professors use ridiculous hypos for the exam with more issues than anyone can address in the timeframe. Some profs admit that even they could not find all the issues in the allotted time. Plus, a lot of profs use a point system where they keep increasing your score for every issue that you analyze correctly. Fast typers can write about more issues. Even if you're not typing the entire time, getting your thoughts down quickly will give you more time to look over the hypo for more issues.
missinglink wrote:Ha. Too true.fatduck wrote:got this from NALP:slacker wrote:What exactly is considered "fast" when it comes to typing? Anyone have an actual words per minute that you have in mind? Just wondering.
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I think it depends on what you're writing. I type about 65 wpm, and I spend a lot of time reading the prompt and outlining my answer during exams. This meant that all of my exams were shorter than most last semester. However, I apparently did well on all of them. I was talking to one of my profs about my exam the other day, and he said he liked that my essays were all very clear, organized, and had a good amount of analysis. Multiple profs have told me that said that a bunch of people always write several pages that don't earn them any points. It's not that what they write is inaccurate or wrong, it just doesn't help.2011Law wrote:0L here, but I also really doubt how true it is that one's typing speed is a key ingredient to success. Do the professors really give out exams that people who type at 65 wpm (like myselfBruceWayne wrote: As hard as it is to believe (and trust me I'm still having a hard time grasping it) a lot of kids can type that fast and still come up with a well written answer. You really need to learn how to type rapidly before you get to law school. As far as the "it's better to be concise and accurate" thing, there's some truth to that, but here's the reality. Essentially everyone taking the exam will be writing accurate arguments. Consequently, if everyone's writing accurate arguments, but someone is writing less (quantity wise) accurate arguments than someone else, that means they are getting less points. The other thing to keep in mind is that the majority of 1L law exams are variations on the issue spotter style exam. On an issue spotter exam the name of the game is to write accurate well written answers about as many issues as possible.
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Ecstasy and Eulogiesvtoodler wrote:What are E&E's?
fatduck wrote:you should buy all the E&Es and read them in page order
i.e. read every page 1, then every page 2, etc.
you'll absorb the info better this way, especially if you are drunk
fatduck wrote:got this from NALP:slacker wrote:What exactly is considered "fast" when it comes to typing? Anyone have an actual words per minute that you have in mind? Just wondering.
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Good Lord! Please tell me you're kidding! I'm at about 90wpm, and I thought I'd be doing good to crack 100... WTF?
I hate that shit too. I wouldn't even waste my time if I were you. Networking is highly overrated.Stringer6 wrote:Any suggestions or reading materials on "working a happy hour"? This sounds horrifying. I despise these types of social situations, although i guess i could buckle down if it really mattered. And when are these happy hours? 1L?
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