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Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:36 pm
by Cupidity
dusk2k2 wrote:Anyone know what a 3.8ish would be at Minnesota? (Minnesota only releases quartiles). Does that give a chance at biglaw in this economy in both Minnesota and beyond?


Unless you have the most grossly inflated curve ever, you are solid.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:36 pm
by dailygrind
dusk2k2 wrote:Anyone know what a 3.8ish would be at Minnesota? (Minnesota only releases quartiles). Does that give a chance at biglaw in this economy in both Minnesota and beyond?


tell us what the mean and the 75th quartile are, and i/someone else can tell you what a 3.8 is.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:40 pm
by dusk2k2
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Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:43 pm
by 09042014
dusk2k2 wrote:
dailygrind wrote:
dusk2k2 wrote:Anyone know what a 3.8ish would be at Minnesota? (Minnesota only releases quartiles). Does that give a chance at biglaw in this economy in both Minnesota and beyond?


tell us what the mean and the 75th quartile are, and i/someone else can tell you what a 3.8 is.


Based on class of 2012's stats. 50th percentile was 3.267. 75th percentile was 3.547. Number 1 was apparently 4.080. I'm not too good with math, but based on other schools, our grades seem pretty inflated. First year courses require a class avg between 3.0 and 3.3 (which means every class is close to 3.3 avg.


Puts you at exactly top 10%. So accounting for unknowns you around top 10%.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:45 pm
by dailygrind
dusk2k2 wrote:
dailygrind wrote:
dusk2k2 wrote:Anyone know what a 3.8ish would be at Minnesota? (Minnesota only releases quartiles). Does that give a chance at biglaw in this economy in both Minnesota and beyond?


tell us what the mean and the 75th quartile are, and i/someone else can tell you what a 3.8 is.


Based on class of 2012's stats. 50th percentile was 3.267. 75th percentile was 3.547. Number 1 was apparently 4.080. I'm not too good with math, but based on other schools, our grades seem pretty inflated. First year courses require a class avg between 3.0 and 3.3 (which means every class is close to 3.3 avg.


3.8 is slightly inside of top 10%. i gotta guess this puts you in a great spot for biglaw.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:46 pm
by dailygrind
damn, too slow.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:47 pm
by dusk2k2
How are you guys doing this math? Is there a website out there than can do this?

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:53 pm
by dailygrind
it's basic statistics. you basically assume that the grades are normally distributed, and once you have the mean and a data point, you figure out the size of the standard deviations, then you figure out how many standard deviations your GPA is from the mean. it's not perfect, but it's the commonly accepted practice. no website that i know of does it automatically, though that doesn't mean it doesn't exist - the formula to do it is pretty straightforward, and capable of automation.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:55 pm
by 09042014
dailygrind wrote:damn, too slow.



TBF, I used a calculator I found online, not a Z table.

http://stattrek.com/Tables/Normal.aspx

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:00 pm
by BarbellDreams
I have no idea how it works, anyone willing to volunteer and do it for me?

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:01 pm
by Helmholtz
dailygrind wrote:
dusk2k2 wrote:
dailygrind wrote:
dusk2k2 wrote:Anyone know what a 3.8ish would be at Minnesota? (Minnesota only releases quartiles). Does that give a chance at biglaw in this economy in both Minnesota and beyond?


tell us what the mean and the 75th quartile are, and i/someone else can tell you what a 3.8 is.


Based on class of 2012's stats. 50th percentile was 3.267. 75th percentile was 3.547. Number 1 was apparently 4.080. I'm not too good with math, but based on other schools, our grades seem pretty inflated. First year courses require a class avg between 3.0 and 3.3 (which means every class is close to 3.3 avg.


3.8 is slightly inside of top 10%. i gotta guess this puts you in a great spot for biglaw.


Ehhhh, considering that the latest NLJ250 for Minnesota puts them at just under 12% (and the latest Art III clerkship data puts them at 4%), I would say that biglaw is certainly within reach, but OP's probably not a "great spot." Pretty much just all assumptions, though, since I don't really know a whole lot about Minnesota Law or biglaw in Minnesota.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:02 pm
by dailygrind
BarbellDreams wrote:I have no idea how it works, anyone willing to volunteer and do it for me?

sure.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:04 pm
by dailygrind
Helmholtz wrote:Ehhhh, considering that the latest NLJ250 for Minnesota puts them at just under 12% (and the latest Art III clerkship data puts them at 4%), I would say that biglaw is certainly within reach, but OP's probably not a "great spot." Pretty much just all assumptions, though, since I don't really know a whole lot about Minnesota Law or biglaw in Minnesota.


rough. maybe they've got smallish firms paying close to market out there. i don't know crap about biglaw access outside of any school not my own, but not having a great shot at 10% sounds awful for a school ranked at 20.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:09 pm
by dusk2k2
Helmholtz wrote:Ehhhh, considering that the latest NLJ250 for Minnesota puts them at just under 12% (and the latest Art III clerkship data puts them at 4%), I would say that biglaw is certainly within reach, but OP's probably not a "great spot." Pretty much just all assumptions, though, since I don't really know a whole lot about Minnesota Law or biglaw in Minnesota.


I thought the same thing. So you need probably closer to 3.9 to get biglaw out of Minnesota. Really doesn't give much room to work with...

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:12 pm
by Helmholtz
dailygrind wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Ehhhh, considering that the latest NLJ250 for Minnesota puts them at just under 12% (and the latest Art III clerkship data puts them at 4%), I would say that biglaw is certainly within reach, but OP's probably not a "great spot." Pretty much just all assumptions, though, since I don't really know a whole lot about Minnesota Law or biglaw in Minnesota.


rough. maybe they've got smallish firms paying market out there. i don't know crap about biglaw access outside of any school not my own, but not having a great shot at 10% sounds awful for a school ranked at 20.


Yeah, the more "elite" regional public schools like Minnesota, IUB, Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio State, UGA, UNC, and NYU* are terrific if you want to practice law in the state, but if you want to practice biglaw, they're kind of crappy places to be, mainly because (1) they don't really have any reach outside of the state and (2) there really are no biglaw options within the state—although there are certainly some. I know people at Ohio State and Iowa; I'm assuming that Minnesota is similar for job prospects, but maybe that's a faulty assumption on my part (although the data seems to back me up).

*lol

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:03 pm
by Borhas
last grade is in... thankfully it washes out the taste that the dirty cuntracts exam left in my mouth

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:33 pm
by missinglink
Borhas wrote:last grade is in... thankfully it washes out the taste that the dirty cuntracts exam left in my mouth

Still waiting. And grades were due Monday. I think I might have the last stat class still outstanding.

Congrats on finally being done!

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:44 pm
by autoding
autoding wrote:
missinglink wrote:
rad law wrote:
missinglink wrote:Yeah. I have a decent idea, but published data only goes to top 15%. I don't know if what I've otherwise discovered from non- published sources will be good enough for admissions committees.


If they've taken transfers from your school before, they should have an idea, at least somewhat.

Good point.

If anyone wants to calculate rank, I'll post some numbers. I'm terrible at math so it's all voodoo magic to me. :)


Can someone calculate what the probable top 5%/top 10%/top 25% cutoffs would be at a school that changed its curve halfway through the year? :?

For the fall, I believe it was curved to a 2.89, spring was around 3.2?

Fall Grade Distribution:
A- and above: 10 to 20%
B+ and above: 25 to 35%
B and above: 40 to 50%
C+ and above: 75 to 85%
C and below: 15 to 25%
C- and below: 5 to 15%
D+ and below: 0 to 10%

Spring Grade Distribution:
A- and above: 15 to 25%
B+ and above: 40 to 50%
B and above: 70 to 80%
C+ and above: 85 to 95%
C and below 5 to 15%
C- and below 0 to 10%

I know that in the past, top 10% was around 3.4, and top 25% was around 3.2. I assume that the higher curve for spring will mostly just bunch everyone together more?


anyone?

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:30 pm
by missinglink
Just heard my holdout professor won't have grades in until next week sometime. Over a week late.

Shoot.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:31 pm
by Helmholtz
missinglink wrote:Just heard my holdout professor won't have grades in until next week sometime. Over a week late.

Shoot.


Does your school penalize profs who don't make it in by the deadline?

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:32 pm
by 09042014
Helmholtz wrote:
missinglink wrote:Just heard my holdout professor won't have grades in until next week sometime. Over a week late.

Shoot.


Does your school penalize profs who don't make it in by the deadline?


Does any school?

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:33 pm
by Cupidity
All grades coming out at once tomorrow. I wish I got the slow bleed out like you guys. It's going to be like getting kicked in the face.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:40 pm
by starchinkilt
Cupidity wrote:All grades coming out at once tomorrow. I wish I got the slow bleed out like you guys. It's going to be like getting kicked in the face.


I dunno, the slow bleed out is like torture. I was on a high from my first two grades that came crashing down with my third. Also, we have no idea when our final grade is even gonna be posted. Ugh.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:41 pm
by Cupidity
starchinkilt wrote:
Cupidity wrote:All grades coming out at once tomorrow. I wish I got the slow bleed out like you guys. It's going to be like getting kicked in the face.


I dunno, the slow bleed out is like torture. I was on a high from my first two grades that came crashing down with my third. Also, we have no idea when our final grade is even gonna be posted. Ugh.


I just want median. I botched my crim law final something awful. I'm concerned I may end up in bottom 1/3 this semester.

Re: 1L grade waiting thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:43 pm
by FireNextTime
missinglink wrote:Just heard my holdout professor won't have grades in until next week sometime. Over a week late.

Shoot.

What a sack of shit. No excuse.