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of Benito Cereno · Post by **of Benito Cereno** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:58 pm

I don't mean to suggest that I would actually bid that way. I'm asking whether the grades are good enough that I should be able to get a job at top tier firms.

xkcd · Post by **xkcd** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:03 pm

of Benito Cereno wrote:3.62 at CLS
where does this leave me? should i bid only v10 + top dc firms?
very good cv otherwise i think, ie good ug and 1L summer job

you got all your grades already? i'm still waiting on 2, which i don't expect to get back for several more weeks...

of Benito Cereno · Post by **of Benito Cereno** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:06 pm

got all 4. yes

swc65 · Post by **swc65** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:30 pm

of Benito Cereno wrote:got all 4. yes

That's insane! I only have half of mine!! Last semester I didn't get my last grade until mid-Feb!

it sucks because I can't put a bid list together until I know what my grades are. They have been good so far, but what if I got a B- or a C for some reason? I would be a game-changer.

of Benito Cereno · Post by **of Benito Cereno** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:46 pm

i've never heard of anyone estimating incorrectly by more than a grad, or even a half grade. One friend got a B+ instead of an A but he kinda knew the A was over optimistic.

somewhatwayward · Post by **somewhatwayward** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:54 pm

swc65 wrote:
of Benito Cereno wrote:got all 4. yes

That's insane! I only have half of mine!! Last semester I didn't get my last grade until mid-Feb!

me too

thesealocust · Post by **thesealocust** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:16 pm

of Benito Cereno wrote:I don't mean to suggest that I would actually bid that way. I'm asking whether the grades are good enough that I should be able to get a job at top tier firms.

Oh definitely, only a tiny number of firms in the country will be hard for you based on grades. You're in great shape, and have strong odds at every firm in the country that isn't a prestige obsessed 200 or fewer lawyer litigation boutique.

I still hesitate to tell anybody that they "should" be able to get x/y/z out of OCI though - there's just so much chaos involved in the process, and so much more to it than GPA. It's good to think of it that GPA can take you out of the running, but can rarely get you a job on its own. That's overstating it a tad, but approaching it with that attitude is the healthiest thing you can do for yourself over the next few months.

beach_terror · Post by **beach_terror** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:59 pm

I get grades in a week. Holy shit, getting freaked out all over again. I finished top 25% after, what I would call, a pretty massive exam fuck up last semester in 2 classes... so I keep thinking there's got to be no way I can do worse. I just want to get this over with, ughhhh.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:02 pm

beach_terror wrote:I get grades in a week. Holy shit, getting freaked out all over again. I finished top 25% after, what I would call, a pretty massive exam fuck up last semester in 2 classes... so I keep thinking there's got to be no way I can do worse. I just want to get this over with, ughhhh.

Chill out. You already took the exams and presumably did your best. There's nothing you can do about it now. Being worried isn't helping you. Just chill bro.

Post by **dailygrind** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:27 pm

1.5 weeks here. walking out of exams i felt i did at least as well as i did last semester, and probably better. hearing all these stories of people whose grades plummeted is eating away at my calm, though. wuuuusaaaaaa. wuuuussssaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

BlueDiamond · Post by **BlueDiamond** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:37 pm

Lawquacious wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
MSPeast wrote:Still gradeless for two more weeks! I wish I had them now so I knew whether to even bother with OCI already.
No matter how terrible your grades are, you should do OCI.

I've kind of been wondering this myself re: OCI given my drop in GPA... whether it is worth sending out all the apps to firms at on-campus and off-campus OCI... It looks like after this semester I may not end up being top 25% due to a substantial GPA drop from first to second semester. I go to a lower T1.

The school is involved in a number of job fairs (a network member for several off-campus OCI locations, and we also have on-campus OCI), but at least with firms I think prob. around top 20% is necessary to have a shot. Not positive though. If any thing I guess this probably means I will need to be a lot more agressive in my job search. I have thought about emailing Career Services to try to get realistic cut-offs for when it is worthwhile, but I think getting a non-rosy estimate (i.e. 'everyone has a shot') may not happen.

OTOH, I do get the impression that firms will look fairly far past grades for really strong work experience, as I know a 1L who got a rare firm job, and I think what did the trick was work as a biz. administrator (I suspect his grades really weren't very strong, but could be totally wrong). In my case I have some good work experience, but also have a choppy resume and little or no "business" experience, which I think firms are often most interested in (aside from actual legal field experience of course).

I'd say scrap whatever you just said and if you don't have the numbers to get a job from OCI that over the summer you should work on your looks.. then bid on firms that are known for hiring attractive people.. thats my plan at least

beach_terror · Post by **beach_terror** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:26 pm

rad law wrote:
beach_terror wrote:I get grades in a week. Holy shit, getting freaked out all over again. I finished top 25% after, what I would call, a pretty massive exam fuck up last semester in 2 classes... so I keep thinking there's got to be no way I can do worse. I just want to get this over with, ughhhh.
Chill out. You already took the exams and presumably did your best. There's nothing you can do about it now. Being worried isn't helping you. Just chill bro.

But it's not law school if it's not inducing, or getting close to inducing, a panic attack. But seriously, point taken.. the wait is just god awful.

09042014 · Post by **09042014** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:30 pm

I'm still waiting on Con Law. I see anything from a B to an A. And the school has given no reason for the wait.

snowpeach06 · Post by **snowpeach06** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:39 pm

Ugh this week. I'd almost rather not know though.

liLtuneChi · Post by **liLtuneChi** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:52 pm

MrKappus wrote:
of Benito Cereno wrote:I thought 3.6 was top 10
3.6 is around top 10% at T30's. At CLS I'm sure it's more like 15-20.

no your WRONG....don't talk about stuff with certainty that you have no idea about

3.6 is like top 11%

this is the CLS rank breakdown:

3.9 = top 1%
3.85 = top 2%
3.8 = top 3% (Kent)
3.75 = top 4%
3.7 = top 6%
3.65 = top 8%
3.6 = top 11%
3.55 = top 15%
3.5 = top 20%
3.45 = top 25%
3.41 = top 30% (Stone)
3.35 = top 37%
3.3 = top 45%
3.26 = Median
3.2 = top 58%
3.15 = top 66%
3.1 = top 72%
3.05 = top 77%
3.0 = top 82%

Chupavida · Post by **Chupavida** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:37 pm

of Benito Cereno · Post by **of Benito Cereno** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:35 pm

3.8 is more like top 2%.... also, about 1/3 of kents are in the 3.7 range

liLtuneChi · Post by **liLtuneChi** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:23 pm

of Benito Cereno wrote:3.8 is more like top 2%.... also, about 1/3 of kents are in the 3.7 range

where did you get this info from?

liLtuneChi · Post by **liLtuneChi** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:26 pm

Chupavida wrote:
liLtuneChi wrote:
MrKappus wrote:
of Benito Cereno wrote:I thought 3.6 was top 10
3.6 is around top 10% at T30's. At CLS I'm sure it's more like 15-20.
your WRONG
The other Columbia-affiliated posters must love you.

I'm a very likeable guy.

2011Cycle · Post by **2011Cycle** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:27 pm

liLtuneChi wrote:
of Benito Cereno wrote:3.8 is more like top 2%.... also, about 1/3 of kents are in the 3.7 range
where did you get this info from?

http://www.law.columbia.edu/academics/r ... ecognition

Academic Recognition

James Kent Scholars

Established in 1923 by the Faculty of Law, in memory of James Kent who, in 1793, became the first Professor of Law at Columbia College, and was an inspiration for the establishment of legal education at Columbia. Awarded in recognition of outstanding academic achievement by students in each of the three classes.

A student shall be named a Kent scholar if during an academic year the student has earned at least 15 graded law credits toward his or her degree, and in that year either 1) has achieved a grade point average of 3.800, or 2) has received grades all or all but one of which are A+, A or A- (the exception being no lower than B), and, if the lowest grade is put aside, at least half of which are A or A+. Only law credits are used to calculate honors. No one will receive honors for a year which includes a grade of "Incomplete."

Holly Golightly · Post by **Holly Golightly** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:07 pm

liLtuneChi wrote: I'm a very likeable guy.

We can tell.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:02 pm

Anyone have like an online calculator I can estimate my class rank with? We don't rank, but I sort of know the median, and the 20th%tile grades cutoff is released. I need to know where I can sorta bid.

Baylan · Post by **Baylan** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:11 pm

I'm sorry, its been five weeks. Your exam was word limited. It is my last grade. Whether or not I have a future might depend on this grade. And you're going to be in Europe half this month. Please, please, dear god please give me my grade.

stratocophic · Post by **stratocophic** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:17 pm

rad law wrote:Anyone have like an online calculator I can estimate my class rank with? We don't rank, but I sort of know the median, and the 20th%tile grades cutoff is released. I need to know where I can sorta bid.

You can use linear interpolation, but there's no guarantee as to the accuracy because the curve may or may not be linearly distributed (and it probably isn't)

09042014 · Post by **09042014** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:18 pm

rad law wrote:Anyone have like an online calculator I can estimate my class rank with? We don't rank, but I sort of know the median, and the 20th%tile grades cutoff is released. I need to know where I can sorta bid.

It doesn't matter where you are, but where firms perceive you. Look at GPA sheets from last OCI.

This will do it. http://stattrek.com/Tables/Normal.aspx

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