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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby thexfactor » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:48 am

warming my hands up for tomorrow....
going for the gold tomorrow!
Going to attempt to break the 10,000 word barrier tomorrow!(3hr eggjam)

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby chadwick218 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:58 am

Most professors appreciated conciseness and I believe that this was reflected in the grades that I received last year. Interestingly, I got an “A” in every class that I typed less than 3,000 words and either a B+ or an A-minus in every class that I typed more than 3,000 words. This semester I focused on writing less and being more judicious in my analysis ... I never exceeded 3,000 words. The risk of writing too much is that original thought and analysis tends to get lost. Disclaimer: 2L (Top 15-20%).
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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby thexfactor » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:00 am

thexfactor wrote:warming my hands up for tomorrow....
going for the gold tomorrow!
Going to attempt to break the 10,000 word barrier tomorrow!(3hr eggjam)



Damn just remembered.. tomorrow's exam is 1/2 multiple guess....
It will take a miracle effort for me to hit 10k.......

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby themillsman22 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:21 am

In a 3 hour exam, you can get an A with 4500-5000 words. In principle, OP is right. The more words you write, the better your grade is likely to be. However, not typing 6000 words doesn't mean "you're f."

There's plenty of evidence in this thread of people writing significantly less and still getting A's. Hit the key issues, hit them well, and you're at median. Hit a few challenging ones well on top of that, and you've got an A. You get no bonus points for saying in 200 words what you could say in 50.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby yesyesyes » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:24 am

is this based on a 1 question exam or total written for the whole exam... or what? i haven't had any exam that was just 1 question.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby themillsman22 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:35 am

yesyesyes wrote:is this based on a 1 question exam or total written for the whole exam... or what? i haven't had any exam that was just 1 question.


I interpret it as a 3 hour exam. Most of my 3 hour exams have been 2-3 questions. I suppose it's conceivable that it's just one question, but I think the crucial thing here is having 3 hours total.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby savagecheater » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:44 pm

dood wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:OP is obviously trolling, but FWIW I received an A for < 3,800 words in 3 hours (in torts, which conventional wisdom claims to be racehorse-exam subject) and another for < 2,000 words in 2 hours. I believe both profs used checklists. I did similarly well on a take home exam with a ten page limit, for which I wrote about seven pages. I am not a straight A student (I have only taken five graded LS exams and seven classes, so others have more experience than I do.) Moreover, I make a shit ton of mistakes, but I don't think most can be attributed to my typing speed or the number of words I write.

I will say that if you truly know your stuff and can write 10,000 words, amazing things are possible, but I have reason to know this kind of word count is exceptionally rare. Just gathering from all the people I've had discussions with across the law school spectrum, exams of 6,000+ words are rare, and plenty of people get As without typing out War and Peace. DailyGrind's laser beam analogy is TCR.

Slow typers, focus on spotting/analyzing the issues quickly and making what you do say count.


yo no offense, but i dont think getting an A here or there when u average 3-4K reflects the general trend. i have several As too and i typically finish around 4K. so while it is possible to get As with any word count, all my friends with GPAs higher than 3.8 (so pretty much "straight A" students) all type 6K+. im not saying its like a black and white 1:1 correlation, but id say there is a strong common theme.


~7k for 4 hours. Everyone else was around 4-5k.

Bunch of my classmates thought I wrote far too much - but then again, I hit everything they discussed and much more that they didn't.

I think anyone trying to defend lower words counts has to face the fact that when there's no limit, being able to hit additional issues and really flesh out analysis can add up quickly. I'm not a fast typist by any means but while 50% of my classmates are laying out some seriously belabored and limited irac I find it better to quickly get whatever BLL out there and then attack with as much analysis/application as possible.

It's not a "if you don't do this you're screwed" sort of deal but it definitely can help.

If you're completely off well then of course you're not going to get anything.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby beach_terror » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:16 pm

Bumping to see if any 1Ls with grades back can point to a correlation.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby TCScrutinizer » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:21 pm

beach_terror wrote:Bumping to see if any 1Ls with grades back can point to a correlation.


Contracts: 4-hr, ~4K, B
Property: 3-hr, 2.8K, A
Crim Law: 3-hr, 4.4K, B

Bullshitted the most on Crim Law because I had an epic brain fart before the exam (as in, totally forgot everything for some reason). Tried to be concise and exact on Contracts and Prop. I think it was a difference in professor preference--blurbz (A, A-, A) wrote around 6.5K for each exam. I haven't talked to anyone who did well on the Ks exam that didn't brain dump.
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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby 100Miles&Runnin' » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:22 pm

beach_terror wrote:Bumping to see if any 1Ls with grades back can point to a correlation.



Total bunk. I got straight A's this semester, with a 4,000 word 3 hour exam, and only 3,000 words on a 4 hour exam. There's no need to write 6,000 words, unless you're an idiot and your only hope is to cover every possible issue that could conceivably be tested, in which case you might as well not have even read the question, and just start typing your 1L thesis. Having said that, I hope it worked out for those of you who did write 6k+ words.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby beach_terror » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:09 pm

G. T. L. Rev. wrote:Why is it, pray tell, that this year's 1Ls are better equipped to debunk a stupid theory than any other year's? Put differently, there is already lots of data in this thread indicatinm
g that the 6k suggestion is unfounded--so I am not sure what more the poster above hopes to learn.

Relax bro, I'm just curious. There was a big discussion before/during finals, I don't find it odd to be interested still. I'm also bored and still have 1-2 weeks before I get grades.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby 100Miles&Runnin' » Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:09 am

G. T. L. Rev. wrote:Why is it, pray tell, that this year's 1Ls are better equipped to debunk a stupid theory than any other year's? Put differently, there is already lots of data in this thread indicatinm
g that the 6k suggestion is unfounded--so I am not sure what more the poster above hopes to learn.


I didn't learn jack; just confirmed what I already knew: the OP is full of it--a total D-bag, probably doesn't have any friends, and hides out in the library all day, afraid he might get beat up by all the jocks at his school. Maybe he freaked me out for a few days after the exam, when I realized all the things I could have hit in the exam, that would have got me to the 6k word mark. Okay, he did. I was convinced that I was at or below median.
Maybe this theme is played to death in past years on this board, but I don't spend a whole lot of time posting here. I have better things to do. Like celebrating a 4.0 for my first semester, for example. So if I don't make a whole lot of sense right now, you understand, yes?
If you didn't write 6k words, you have nothing to worry about. You are not "f".

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby goosey » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:31 pm

its stupid to make gross generalizations because every professor grades differently. My torts professor doesnt grade using points and so 7k words would do no good there. His A answers are basically just exams where they spit back everything that he disagreed with the courts on in their reasoning. None of them were very long. I dont think more is better on an exam like that.

My civ pro professor loves seeing the policy behind every rule in the analysis and uses a rubric to grade--more issues/more words=more points, as long as they are not unnecessary rambling.

I know people create generalizations to ease the anxiety of not knowing how you performed. but seriously...unless a person wrote 1k, its hard to say that more is always better

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby beardown_tho » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:29 am

beach_terror wrote:Bumping to see if any 1Ls with grades back can point to a correlation.


I'd like to double down on "correlation but no causation."

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby kswiss » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:07 pm

My grades directly correlated to word count. The two tests that I typed the whole time (around 5-7k) I got As....the one where I was super concise but on point: A-. It sucks because I could have written twice as much on that test, but I miscalculated the profs desire for brevity.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby Borhas » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:41 pm

I'm sure it doesn't mean anything, but my grades were inversely correlated w/ word count

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby California Babe » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:45 pm

I aggregated all the anecdotal evidence in the thread to make a graph showing the relationship between word count and letter grade. Hopefully this will be useful for future exam takers:

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby beach_terror » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:55 pm

California Babe wrote:I aggregated all the anecdotal evidence in the thread to make a graph showing the relationship between word count and letter grade. Hopefully this will be useful for future exam takers:

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Finally, something useful :lol:

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby solotee » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:12 pm

Civ Pro word count on a 3 hour exam: 3700 words

Result: A

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby ResolutePear » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:45 pm

beach_terror wrote:
California Babe wrote:I aggregated all the anecdotal evidence in the thread to make a graph showing the relationship between word count and letter grade. Hopefully this will be useful for future exam takers:

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Finally, something useful :lol:


I see....

but did you include the eggs-on-beans-and-rice doctrine? I thought so.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby somewhatwayward » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:03 am

nvm
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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby D. H2Oman » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:09 am

California Babe wrote:I aggregated all the anecdotal evidence in the thread to make a graph showing the relationship between word count and letter grade. Hopefully this will be useful for future exam takers:

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180, possibly higher

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby invisiblesun » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:27 am

this turned out to be an epic OP pwn

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby JCougar » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:45 pm

invisiblesun wrote:this turned out to be an epic OP pwn


FWIW, I think the OP only meant to troll. Too many people took the bait.

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Re: If you didn't type 6000+ words on your 3 hours exam you're f

Postby beach_terror » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:47 pm

I think I'm going to need what the colors represent on that graph to fact check it. Didn't you learn to include legends in your graphs in 2nd grade :roll:




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