1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby JCougar » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:58 pm

bostonian wrote:Except you get paid to attend those boring meetings. When someone's paying me a lot of money, I'm willing to put up with a lot of shit. When I'm paying someone else, not so much.


Except that there's rules in place by both the schools and the ABA, and you have to follow them. Law school isn't only about learning the law. It's also about training you how to act like a professional. And that means following the rules -- even if they're pointless and they don't make practical sense. It's not a new revelation that 90% of class time is wasted time, whether it be law school or any other school. That doesn't mean you can blow off responsibility if it's explicitly been expected of you.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby JCougar » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:04 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:OMG CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT REAL LIFE AND BEING AN ADULT PLEASE?!?!?!?!??!?!?! AND HOW IT RELATES TO GOING TO MY HORRIBLE CIVIL PROCEDURE CLASS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CIVIL PROCEDURE????


Sure, I can tell you more.

The world is an irrational place. Therefore, you have to do many things that are completely pointless and a waste of your time to satisfy irrational powers that have power over you. No matter how much it blows, you still have to do it.

If your professor doesn't take attendance, than it's up to you what you want to do with your time. But if they explicitly spell out that you have to be there for a certain number of classes, and you're not there for that number of classes, and you get banned from taking the final, I have no sympathy for you.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby mths » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:35 pm

Nightrunner wrote:Oh my god shut up.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby bostonian » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:10 pm

LOUD NOISES

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Stanford4Me » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:17 pm

I should never have mentioned it.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby beach_terror » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:19 pm

bostonian wrote:LOUD NOISES

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby JCougar » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:20 pm

Sorry for sounding like people's dad, but just can't believe people who did well enough to get into NYU could be that irresponsible.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby stratocophic » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:24 pm

JCougar wrote:Sorry for sounding like people's dad, but just can't believe people who did well enough to get into NYU could be that irresponsible.
A 3.8 in Mayan Pottery and prep-course-boosted 170 do not a professional make, and that's not even considering those worthless splitters

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby romothesavior » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:34 pm

Sucks for those people. But did they know about it? If they knew about the rule, then they played with fire and got burned. If it was just some out of the blue thing, then that's crap.

Also, I'm pretty sure attendance is not an ABA rule. All of my profs have their own policies.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby NU_Jet55 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:41 pm

Cougar, what are you doing not gunning you gunning gunner mcgunnerson?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby romothesavior » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:42 pm

ITT: WUSTL outcasts try to cut down people at NYU out of spite and jealousy.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Thirteen » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:43 pm

kalvano wrote:
Thirteen wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:
beach_terror wrote:If you regularly skip class, I think that's a fair punishment. By regularly, I mean missing at least 25% of the classes.

We're all adults, and paying a lot of money for law school. Why shouldn't we be able to skip classes? I have multiple professors who teach nothing that will be relevant to my exams, and if I don't want to wake up at 7am to go hear my prof wax poetic about nonsense, I don't feel I should have to.


This.



Aren't two of our classes explicit in their "no required attendance" policy?


Probably. I didn't really pay attention when the profs were discussing that stuff.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby king3780 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:47 pm

romothesavior wrote:Sucks for those people. But did they know about it? If they knew about the rule, then they played with fire and got burned. If it was just some out of the blue thing, then that's crap.

Also, I'm pretty sure attendance is not an ABA rule. All of my profs have their own policies.


Yeah, it actually is an ABA rule. Schools have to verify that students have attended at least 80% of classes. If profs want to impose stricter standards they can, but they're can't (or at least aren't supposed to) go lower than that.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby romothesavior » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:49 pm

king3780 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Sucks for those people. But did they know about it? If they knew about the rule, then they played with fire and got burned. If it was just some out of the blue thing, then that's crap.

Also, I'm pretty sure attendance is not an ABA rule. All of my profs have their own policies.


Yeah, it actually is an ABA rule. Schools have to verify that students have attended at least 80% of classes. If profs want to impose stricter standards they can, but they're can't (or at least aren't supposed to) go lower than that.

Interesting. My profs all sorta do their own thing, I don't think attendance is too strict at WUSTL.

Glad to hear the ABA is more concerned with students sitting through pointless lectures than they are about the rampant oversaturation of the legal market. Fuckers.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Holly Golightly » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:52 pm

stratocophic wrote:
JCougar wrote:Sorry for sounding like people's dad, but just can't believe people who did well enough to get into NYU could be that irresponsible.
A 3.8 in Mayan Pottery and prep-course-boosted 170 do not a professional make, and that's not even considering those worthless splitters

Fucking spiller losers.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby JCougar » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:53 pm

romothesavior wrote:ITT: WUSTL outcasts try to cut down people at NYU out of spite and jealousy.


Hah. :)

I don't have any problem with people at NYU. Kudos to them. It just wasn't previously in the realm of possibilities in my mind that someone would blow off their classes to that extent there -- no matter how pointless classes are. If you ask me, that would be an incredible opportunity that I wouldn't want to waste.
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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Holly Golightly » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:54 pm

king3780 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Sucks for those people. But did they know about it? If they knew about the rule, then they played with fire and got burned. If it was just some out of the blue thing, then that's crap.

Also, I'm pretty sure attendance is not an ABA rule. All of my profs have their own policies.


Yeah, it actually is an ABA rule. Schools have to verify that students have attended at least 80% of classes. If profs want to impose stricter standards they can, but they're can't (or at least aren't supposed to) go lower than that.

And how do the schools verify this when most profs don't take attendance?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby stayway » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:58 pm

beach_terror wrote:
bostonian wrote:LOUD NOISES

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win

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby dailygrind » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:58 pm

JCougar wrote:
romothesavior wrote:ITT: WUSTL outcasts try to cut down people at NYU out of spite and jealousy.


Hah. :)

I don't have any problem with people at NYU. Kudos to them. It just wasn't previously in the realm of possibilities in my mind that someone would blow off their classes to that extent there -- no matter how pointless classes are. If you ask me, that would be an incredible opportunity that I wouldn't want to waste.


no matter how pointless? if you went into class and they were talking about rainbows and butterflies in civ pro, you'd still be attending? one of my classes this semester was pretty fucking awful, and if there weren't any attendance policies i would have attended probably about half of them.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby romothesavior » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:01 pm

dailygrind wrote:
JCougar wrote:
romothesavior wrote:ITT: WUSTL outcasts try to cut down people at NYU out of spite and jealousy.


Hah. :)

I don't have any problem with people at NYU. Kudos to them. It just wasn't previously in the realm of possibilities in my mind that someone would blow off their classes to that extent there -- no matter how pointless classes are. If you ask me, that would be an incredible opportunity that I wouldn't want to waste.


no matter how pointless? if you went into class and they were talking about rainbows and butterflies in civ pro, you'd still be attending? one of my classes this semester was pretty fucking awful, and if there weren't any attendance policies i would have attended probably about half of them.

But the key question is whether there was an explicit policy. If you knew that missing rainbows and butterflies hour would lead to you failing the course, of course you would be there. My Ks class the last few weeks has been totally pointless... basically a huge circle jerk of students giving their uneducated thoughts. We all moan about it, but we still go so we don't get in trouble.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby mths » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:03 pm

nevermind

holly already asked

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby JCougar » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:05 pm

dailygrind wrote:no matter how pointless? if you went into class and they were talking about rainbows and butterflies in civ pro, you'd still be attending? one of my classes this semester was pretty fucking awful, and if there weren't any attendance policies i would have attended probably about half of them.


I'm really only talking about classes where there are attendance policies. If there's no requirement to attend, you can use your own judgement. But schools have plenty of good reasons to impose their own attendance policies...part of it helps build professionalism.

I haven't had a class yet where it was worthless to attend, though. The one that comes closest for me also has the strictest attendance policy (no more than 3 absences all semester).

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby king3780 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:06 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:
king3780 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Sucks for those people. But did they know about it? If they knew about the rule, then they played with fire and got burned. If it was just some out of the blue thing, then that's crap.

Also, I'm pretty sure attendance is not an ABA rule. All of my profs have their own policies.


Yeah, it actually is an ABA rule. Schools have to verify that students have attended at least 80% of classes. If profs want to impose stricter standards they can, but they're can't (or at least aren't supposed to) go lower than that.

And how do the schools verify this when most profs don't take attendance?


I can't say how individual profs deal with it, but my guess is the ones that don't care just report to the dean that everyone in the class met the attendance requirement, the dean doesn't question it and submits it to the ABA and the ABA doesn't question it. If the dean or ABA says anything, the prof "lost" his attendance sheets or something like that. I think how strictly schools comply with the rule is a case-by-case basis. My school makes a big deal about. Other schools apparently don't.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby 09042014 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:10 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:
king3780 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Sucks for those people. But did they know about it? If they knew about the rule, then they played with fire and got burned. If it was just some out of the blue thing, then that's crap.

Also, I'm pretty sure attendance is not an ABA rule. All of my profs have their own policies.


Yeah, it actually is an ABA rule. Schools have to verify that students have attended at least 80% of classes. If profs want to impose stricter standards they can, but they're can't (or at least aren't supposed to) go lower than that.

And how do the schools verify this when most profs don't take attendance?


My only class that took attendance was LRW.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby mths » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:15 pm

king3780 wrote:I can't say how individual profs deal with it, but my guess is the ones that don't care just report to the dean that everyone in the class met the attendance requirement, the dean doesn't question it and submits it to the ABA and the ABA doesn't question it. If the dean or ABA says anything, the prof "lost" his attendance sheets or something like that. I think how strictly schools comply with the rule is a case-by-case basis. My school makes a big deal about. Other schools apparently don't.

attendance sheets? seriously? we have 55 minute classes and the prof starts talking on minute one and doesn't stop. Only way he'll know you're not there is if he calls on you.




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