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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby swc65 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:22 pm

los blancos wrote:Outlining Crim is like bashing head into brick wall



So is Law and Econ- and the library closed at 8 tonight!! WTF Ive never been there on a Saturday so was totally surprise.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby traehekat » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:24 pm

los blancos wrote:Outlining Crim is like bashing head into brick wall


yeah its weird. crim seems like the easiest stuff to understand during class and doing the reading, but somehow when i sat down to outline i started to get all confused, especially with our professor having a pretty even focus on both MPC and common law (hard to keep everything straight).

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby Helmholtz » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:39 pm

swc65 wrote:
los blancos wrote:Outlining Crim is like bashing head into brick wall



So is Law and Econ- and the library closed at 8 tonight!! WTF Ive never been there on a Saturday so was totally surprise.


Woah, 8? Pretty sure our reading room closes at at 2 AM every night.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby Helmholtz » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:40 pm

traehekat wrote:
los blancos wrote:Outlining Crim is like bashing head into brick wall


yeah its weird. crim seems like the easiest stuff to understand during class and doing the reading, but somehow when i sat down to outline i started to get all confused, especially with our professor having a pretty even focus on both MPC and common law (hard to keep everything straight).


Completely agree. Same thing happening with me. This was our professor's first time teaching crim and it was disorganized as hell. Then again - curve.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby keg411 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:43 pm

traehekat wrote:
los blancos wrote:Outlining Crim is like bashing head into brick wall


yeah its weird. crim seems like the easiest stuff to understand during class and doing the reading, but somehow when i sat down to outline i started to get all confused, especially with our professor having a pretty even focus on both MPC and common law (hard to keep everything straight).


Make Tables; one column for MPC, one for CL.
It's death to put together, but I think (hope) it will work.

Speaking of death, am outlining ConLaw (if outlining means copying/re-organizing old outlines from my prof, which for me it does :lol:).

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby gwuorbust » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:58 pm

keg411 wrote:
Speaking of death, am outlining ConLaw (if outlining means copying/re-organizing old outlines from my prof, which for me it does :lol:).


Con law is just so disorganized cause the topics range from impeachment to the dormant commerce clause. there is limited logical connection between everything.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby traehekat » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:07 pm

keg411 wrote:
traehekat wrote:
los blancos wrote:Outlining Crim is like bashing head into brick wall


yeah its weird. crim seems like the easiest stuff to understand during class and doing the reading, but somehow when i sat down to outline i started to get all confused, especially with our professor having a pretty even focus on both MPC and common law (hard to keep everything straight).


Make Tables; one column for MPC, one for CL.
It's death to put together, but I think (hope) it will work.

Speaking of death, am outlining ConLaw (if outlining means copying/re-organizing old outlines from my prof, which for me it does :lol:).


haha here is a word-for-word electronic "sticky note" i made a few weeks ago:

consider making chart for crim with common law/mpc forks


haven't done it, but i'm liken that we're thinking the same thing lol.

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Postby snowpeach06 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:12 pm

Yeah, I'm getting annoyed with my con law outline. So whenever something is taking me too long to figure out, I just bold it and move on. So, I'll think I'm done, but really have a few hours of going back and actually doing giant sections. Or organizing them.

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Postby keg411 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:53 pm

I already organized the thing starting a few weeks ago (because if you take a step back it's not that hard), it's just the tedium of putting all the cases and doctrinal information in. In an ideal world, I finish both ConLaw and Property by tomorrow, but I dunno if that will end up happening.

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Postby jbarl1 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:05 pm

My ConLaw exam is closed book/note. We have covered a ton of information and 95+ cases. I feel like I understand the concepts and would ace the exam if I was allowed to have an outline but I don't know how to even begin memorizing all that I need to memorize. Does anyone have any tips or materials to share that could help me study for a closed ConLaw exam?

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Postby BarbellDreams » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:12 pm

I can send anyone my Crim MPC/COL charts (and outline if you need it). I did well in Crim so maybe it will be of some help, PM me.

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Postby gwuorbust » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:16 pm

jbarl1 wrote:My ConLaw exam is closed book/note. We have covered a ton of information and 95+ cases. I feel like I understand the concepts and would ace the exam if I was allowed to have an outline but I don't know how to even begin memorizing all that I need to memorize. Does anyone have any tips or materials to share that could help me study for a closed ConLaw exam?


this is relevant to my interests

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Postby Baylan » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:56 pm

Property exam is closed book/note. Last exam. Shorted time period between two exams this semester. There is a special place in hell for Betty (she's the registrar and schedules this shit).

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby Paichka » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:03 am

My Con Law I exam was also closed book. If you'd like my conlaw attack sheet (which breaks things down into helpful mnemonics), PM me and I'll email it to you.

What I did was I made a load of flash cards to quiz myself about various concepts and cases that I thought might be important -- you probably don't have enough time to do that now, though, I'd imagine.

I think one of the most helpful things to do is to make sure to group everything together in your brain by subject:

I. Congressional Power

Commerce Clause + Limitations
Taxing & Spending + Limitations
Section 5 Powers + Limitations
Preemption
Privileges & Immunities
Dormant Commerce Clause

II. Executive Power

Nondelegation Doctrine
Appointment & Removals
Foreign Affairs
War and Military Action
Executive Privileges & Immunities

III. Judicial Power

Judicial Review and its Limitations (standing, PQ doctrine, prohibition on advisory opinions, etc)

IV. State Action

General Rule
Exceptions -- Entanglement/Public Function

Once you have it all in your head that way, it's a lot easier to call up the information as needed.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby jbarl1 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:28 am

Paichka wrote:My Con Law I exam was also closed book. If you'd like my conlaw attack sheet (which breaks things down into helpful mnemonics), PM me and I'll email it to you.

What I did was I made a load of flash cards to quiz myself about various concepts and cases that I thought might be important -- you probably don't have enough time to do that now, though, I'd imagine.

I think one of the most helpful things to do is to make sure to group everything together in your brain by subject:

I. Congressional Power

Commerce Clause + Limitations
Taxing & Spending + Limitations
Section 5 Powers + Limitations
Preemption
Privileges & Immunities
Dormant Commerce Clause

II. Executive Power

Nondelegation Doctrine
Appointment & Removals
Foreign Affairs
War and Military Action
Executive Privileges & Immunities

III. Judicial Power

Judicial Review and its Limitations (standing, PQ doctrine, prohibition on advisory opinions, etc)

IV. State Action

General Rule
Exceptions -- Entanglement/Public Function

Once you have it all in your head that way, it's a lot easier to call up the information as needed.


My exam is a bit more than two weeks away, which is plenty of time for flash cards for me. I was planning on making a bunch in addition to the ones I am already using for general things (like parts of the Constitution). Your breakdown looks helpful so thanks! I PM'd you for your attack outline, thanks for offering it.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby Grizz » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:30 am

Splitting a bottle of wine (over a few hours of course) makes writing this appellate brief so much better.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby los blancos » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:01 am

traehekat wrote:
los blancos wrote:Outlining Crim is like bashing head into brick wall


yeah its weird. crim seems like the easiest stuff to understand during class and doing the reading, but somehow when i sat down to outline i started to get all confused, especially with our professor having a pretty even focus on both MPC and common law (hard to keep everything straight).


Dunno if we did anything based on the common law once... All of his hypos were centered around the MPC and occasional state/federal statutes.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby los blancos » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:02 am

jbarl1 wrote:My ConLaw exam is closed book/note. We have covered a ton of information and 95+ cases. I feel like I understand the concepts and would ace the exam if I was allowed to have an outline but I don't know how to even begin memorizing all that I need to memorize. Does anyone have any tips or materials to share that could help me study for a closed ConLaw exam?


I dunno if this works for everyone or if its feasible (dunno how long your outline is), but try writing out your entire outline. Once I write something down on paper it becomes really easy to remember.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby keg411 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:03 am

los blancos wrote:
traehekat wrote:
los blancos wrote:Outlining Crim is like bashing head into brick wall


yeah its weird. crim seems like the easiest stuff to understand during class and doing the reading, but somehow when i sat down to outline i started to get all confused, especially with our professor having a pretty even focus on both MPC and common law (hard to keep everything straight).


Dunno if we did anything based on the common law once... All of his hypos were centered around the MPC and occasional state/federal statutes.


You are lucky.

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Postby los blancos » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:03 am

Baylan wrote:Property exam is closed book/note.


Wow, that REALLY sucks. Good luck!

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby YourCaptain » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:15 am

I think that 1367 and the preclusion doctrines were meticulously designed to be frustrating.

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Postby pleasetryagain » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:31 am

YourCaptain wrote:I think that 1367 and the preclusion doctrines were meticulously designed to be frustrating.


core concepts are really simple. applying them, not so much. especially when you throw in the 1441(c) dilemma. at least 40% of my civ pro studying has been devoted to understanding supp. jurisdiction and removal under 1441(c). makes erie look like paint by numbers.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby traehekat » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:36 am

pleasetryagain wrote:
YourCaptain wrote:I think that 1367 and the preclusion doctrines were meticulously designed to be frustrating.


core concepts are really simple. applying them, not so much. especially when you throw in the 1441(c) dilemma. at least 40% of my civ pro studying has been devoted to understanding supp. jurisdiction and removal under 1441(c). makes erie look like paint by numbers.


like RAP in property, i plan on barely studying/understanding supp. jurisdiction and praying it isn't heavily tested on the exam.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby pleasetryagain » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:38 am

traehekat wrote:
pleasetryagain wrote:
YourCaptain wrote:I think that 1367 and the preclusion doctrines were meticulously designed to be frustrating.


core concepts are really simple. applying them, not so much. especially when you throw in the 1441(c) dilemma. at least 40% of my civ pro studying has been devoted to understanding supp. jurisdiction and removal under 1441(c). makes erie look like paint by numbers.


like RAP in property, i plan on barely studying/understanding supp. jurisdiction and praying it isn't heavily tested on the exam.


I KNOW that it will be heavily tested on my exam. along with the CAFA class action joinder/aggregation stuff. I MUST understand it.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread (ROUND 2 SUCKAS)

Postby BarbellDreams » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:38 am

I sent the spreadsheet/outline to all those that PM'ed me, if anyone else is interested let me know.




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