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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby fathergoose » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:30 am

kalvano wrote:Did you catch question 2, I think it was, the toaster ad? And how it had an imprint of the guys signature in the ad?

That made me lol when I realized my sweet little RS 46 analysis didn't mean shit.

Haha yea I did with about 5 minutes left. Didn't even edit my 46 analysis just skipped a line threw a "however" in there and just blasted away until time was called

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby kalvano » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:31 am

fathergoose wrote:
kalvano wrote:Did you catch question 2, I think it was, the toaster ad? And how it had an imprint of the guys signature in the ad?

That made me lol when I realized my sweet little RS 46 analysis didn't mean shit.

Haha yea I did with about 5 minutes left. Didn't even edit my 46 analysis just skipped a line threw a "however" in there and just blasted away until time was called



It was a 7 or 8 point question. I think he was looking for both, since he didn't explicitly say anything about sale of goods like he usually does.

I like that even he admits that, under exam time pressure, he would only get maybe 85% of the issues on a test he made.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby fathergoose » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:36 am

kalvano wrote:It was a 7 or 8 point question. I think he was looking for both, since he didn't explicitly say anything about sale of goods like he usually does.

I like that even he admits that, under exam time pressure, he would only get maybe 85% of the issues on a test he made.

Yea. He is actually a pretty cool dude. I've gone and shot the shit with him in his office before about economics stuff and I think he just really loves the intellectual process. No matter the subject.

And I was surprised that more people I talk to didn't catch how blatantly he pulled stuff from the old exams.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby bostonian » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:40 am

Holly Golightly wrote:
goosey wrote:
fathergoose wrote:
kalvano wrote:4 hour finals make my ass hurt. I can't decide if that's because the chair was uncomfortable or because I was violated.

However, praise be to the prof who plagiarizes his own past exams and provides you with model answers that you were allowed to take into the test.

FTMFW

I thought I was just having a really intense moment of deja vu. He barely changed anything.

:shock: :shock:

they actually do this???

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/12/visiting-professor-at-nyu-makes-a-mess-of-1l-contracts-exam/


If only he had done that today.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby goosey » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:42 am

just looked at our new curve and omg...A- and above grades must be a minimum of 20% of the class, max of 30%

so basically...top 30% can get A- :-o
it was like top 15% before this semester [they just changed it this sem]

how will this effect jobs?
will the fact that there is someone with a 3.7 gpa coming out of a T2 but ranking in the top 25% vs top 15% make a difference? good, bad, or no difference?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby kalvano » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:48 am

fathergoose wrote:
kalvano wrote:It was a 7 or 8 point question. I think he was looking for both, since he didn't explicitly say anything about sale of goods like he usually does.

I like that even he admits that, under exam time pressure, he would only get maybe 85% of the issues on a test he made.

Yea. He is actually a pretty cool dude. I've gone and shot the shit with him in his office before about economics stuff and I think he just really loves the intellectual process. No matter the subject.

And I was surprised that more people I talk to didn't catch how blatantly he pulled stuff from the old exams.


He is the smartest guy I think I've ever met, no exaggeration.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby as stars burn » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:53 am

goosey wrote:just looked at our new curve and omg...A- and above grades must be a minimum of 20% of the class, max of 30%

so basically...top 30% can get A- :-o
it was like top 15% before this semester [they just changed it this sem]

how will this effect jobs?
will the fact that there is someone with a 3.7 gpa coming out of a T2 but ranking in the top 25% vs top 15% make a difference? good, bad, or no difference?


Geez. My school is still top 15% can get A's, then 60% can get B+, B, B-, leaving the rest to C and lower. Then again, once I get past mandatory 1L classes the curve changes to what you stated above. I can't think about this right now. I would LOVE to get a B+ or higher, but everyone else wants that too.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby goosey » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:57 am

as stars burn wrote:
goosey wrote:just looked at our new curve and omg...A- and above grades must be a minimum of 20% of the class, max of 30%

so basically...top 30% can get A- :-o
it was like top 15% before this semester [they just changed it this sem]

how will this effect jobs?
will the fact that there is someone with a 3.7 gpa coming out of a T2 but ranking in the top 25% vs top 15% make a difference? good, bad, or no difference?


Geez. My school is still top 15% can get A's, then 60% can get B+, B, B-, leaving the rest to C and lower. Then again, once I get past mandatory 1L classes the curve changes to what you stated above. I can't think about this right now. I would LOVE to get a B+ or higher, but everyone else wants that too.



our curve doesnt change 2L...they said that the new curve is more reflective of what other law schools have, but i dont know. and basically..I just want to know how it changes my job prospects/chances at keeping my scholarship.

technically, if its easier for me to get an A, its easier for the rest of the class too...so to 33% is still top 33% right?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby uci2013 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:59 am

fathergoose wrote:
uci2013 wrote:Wow that would be against our honor code I think. Cool if your school allows that. Basic fill in the blanks, or at least pre-written rule explanations would have been nice.


I've wondered about this. Professor's give you old exams with questions and sometimes model answers and then let you have open note/open book exams which have the same issues, if not the same exact questions. How does that not violate an honor code in some sense?


I've only had modified open books so far where the book was allowed but no notes, but you have a good question. For those with take homes and access to all their notes, there is nothing to stop you from having practice exams in front of you. And I know my civ pro today had a near copycat essay from one of the practice exams.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby IAFG » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:01 am

Pretty sure I will be getting Cs on any curve. FML

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby kxz » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:08 am

Just pray for the rest of your class to do worst.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby IAFG » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:09 am

kxz wrote:Just pray for the rest of your class to do worst.

Jesus would not like that attitude.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby clintonius » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:02 am

Sakura3210 wrote:
fathergoose wrote:
mths wrote:Good thing you're never going to have to deal with contracts again


at least not until next semester, when we have it again.


Ouch. Do not want. That said, I've got a 2nd course of Civ Pro.

Wait what? We're at the same school. How is this possible?

Also, T minus 28 minutes until Contracts. fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby Helmholtz » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:33 am

Three hours until first exam. Having LSAT flashbacks.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby gwuorbust » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:08 am

goosey wrote:just looked at our new curve and omg...A- and above grades must be a minimum of 20% of the class, max of 30%

so basically...top 30% can get A- :-o
it was like top 15% before this semester [they just changed it this sem]

how will this effect jobs?
will the fact that there is someone with a 3.7 gpa coming out of a T2 but ranking in the top 25% vs top 15% make a difference? good, bad, or no difference?


here at Tulane they just change the curve so that:

top35% A/A-
next 50% B+/B/B-
bottom 15% C+ or worse

...which leads us to wonder how many people will end up with a 4.0? seems like, theoretically, there could be a large number of people all tied for the number 1 spot.

not that it matter since I'll prob end up in the bottom 2% anyways

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby beach_terror » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:17 am

Damn, they're changing the curve on you guys?

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby rejectmaster » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:20 am

can't study civ pro anymore

but also can't shake the feeling that i don't actually know anything

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby keg411 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:32 am

So glad CivPro is over. I ended up really liking the class when I was studying at the end... but the exam was a total beast. Feel good about some parts, feel lousy about others, but there's not all that much I can do now. I wrote a lot, but I'm pretty sure a good portion of what I wrote made little to no sense.

Only have Contracts left and I have no desire to study. I <3 that my prof decided to experiment with us by giving a ton of exams rather than a cumulative final.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby beach_terror » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:34 am

rejectmaster wrote:can't study civ pro anymore

but also can't shake the feeling that i don't actually know anything

I'd gladly study civ pro for you if you want to take this shit crim of my hands.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby rejectmaster » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:43 am

what do you guys recommend as a good authority balance for writing a civ pro exam? would you recommend using cases to articulate the rules (that seemed like the cases' purpose in class)? i'm only asking because the prof's memos for past exams don't mention any authority and include only assertions so i'm not sure exactly what he's looking for, and his response was "do what you think makes sense"

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby kalvano » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:47 am

rejectmaster wrote:what do you guys recommend as a good authority balance for writing a civ pro exam? would you recommend using cases to articulate the rules (that seemed like the cases' purpose in class)? i'm only asking because the prof's memos for past exams don't mention any authority and include only assertions so i'm not sure exactly what he's looking for, and his response was "do what you think makes sense"


Use the rules, since they are the basis for everything.

Cite cases as necessary to clarify points of the rules.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby rejectmaster » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:48 am

word

good advice, thanks

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby beach_terror » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:50 am

Depends on your class. My teacher loved quotes, and I mean lovedddd quotes. So in my exam, if I was talking about Stevens/Powell from Shaffer, I'd quote their exact words.

Then for the rules, for Twombly/Iqbal I'd initially cite to 8(a)(2) (I think thats it) and then quote twombly's "plausibility" language.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby kalvano » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:52 am

beach_terror wrote:Depends on your class. My teacher loved quotes, and I mean lovedddd quotes. So in my exam, if I was talking about Stevens/Powell from Shaffer, I'd quote their exact words.

Then for the rules, for Twombly/Iqbal I'd initially cite to 8(a)(2) (I think thats it) and then quote twombly's "plausibility" language.



Quotes?

That's rough.

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Re: 1L Exam Prep and Motivation Thread

Postby gwuorbust » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:52 am

beach_terror wrote:Damn, they're changing the curve on you guys?


here, they changed it right before I matriculated. Which was great, since my schly package says I have to maintain a 3.0. 3.0 use to be the median and now the median is at about 3.25. Meaning, I have to be in like the top65% to keep it. Win?

goosey, did your's change before you matriculated or after?




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