Anyone still briefing?

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Anyone still briefing?

Postby zeth006 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:01 pm

Hey all,

I'm just curious. How many of you 1Ls are still briefing at this point in the semester?


If any of you still are, how exactly are you briefing? I assume that by now most people have learned better than to continue doing full briefs that include stuff like procedural history and essay-long facts sections. What do you put in besides the basic facts, the rules that you extract on your own, and any extra nuances or deductions that the profs give you?
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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby rynabrius » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:02 pm

I continued briefing throughout my entire first year.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby cahesu » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:04 pm

zeth006 wrote:Hey all,

Just wanted to know how many of you 1Ls are still briefing at this point in the semester.. I think by now most people have learned better than to continue doing full briefs that include stuff like procedural history and essay-long facts sections.


... wording of post that encourages people to post responses on why they are still briefing.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby Grizz » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:07 pm

Yep. But I mostly snipe the facts and proc. posture from Lexis.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby BU2013 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:08 pm

I still brief. I make them mostly for protection against cold-calls--my profs usually have pretty thorough inquisitions and want us to know the facts and PH. Briefing also helps commit the issues/rules to memory.

It takes about 1-2 minutes to brief a case after reading.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby IAFG » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:08 pm

rynabrius wrote:I continued briefing throughout my entire first year.

... and then?

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby nealric » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:11 pm

I know all of 1 person who briefed through law school. Most people quit around week 3- it's just not a profitable use of most people's time.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby rynabrius » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:13 pm

IAFG wrote:
rynabrius wrote:I continued briefing throughout my entire first year.

... and then?


I'm not taking case-based courses this year. If I were, I think I would still be briefing. It doesn't take that long and it forces me to pay attention to the material--while annoying, this assists recall.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby IAFG » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:14 pm

rynabrius wrote:
IAFG wrote:
rynabrius wrote:I continued briefing throughout my entire first year.

... and then?


I'm not taking case-based courses this year. If I were, I think I would still be briefing. It doesn't take that long and it forces me to pay attention to the material--while annoying, this assists recall.

i meant, how did you do rank-wise, do you think it was worth your time, etc.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby rynabrius » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:15 pm

IAFG wrote:
rynabrius wrote:
IAFG wrote:
rynabrius wrote:I continued briefing throughout my entire first year.

... and then?


I'm not taking case-based courses this year. If I were, I think I would still be briefing. It doesn't take that long and it forces me to pay attention to the material--while annoying, this assists recall.

i meant, how did you do rank-wise, do you think it was worth your time, etc.


I ranked first at a t25 and transferred to U.Chicago.

Correlation doesn't imply causation, though, so I cannot say if it was worth my time.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby IAFG » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:17 pm

rynabrius wrote:I ranked first at a t25 and transferred to U.Chicago.

Correlation doesn't imply causation, though, so I cannot say if it was worth my time.

of course, i just thought it was relevant. i suppose someone who outlines everything stays pretty engaged with the material throughout.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby zeth006 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:19 pm

cahesu wrote:
zeth006 wrote:Hey all,

Just wanted to know how many of you 1Ls are still briefing at this point in the semester.. I think by now most people have learned better than to continue doing full briefs that include stuff like procedural history and essay-long facts sections.


... wording of post that encourages people to post responses on why they are still briefing.


Apologies. Hammered in the post without 2nd thought. Edited for coherence.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby zeth006 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:23 pm

rynabrius wrote:
IAFG wrote:
rynabrius wrote:
IAFG wrote:... and then?


I'm not taking case-based courses this year. If I were, I think I would still be briefing. It doesn't take that long and it forces me to pay attention to the material--while annoying, this assists recall.

i meant, how did you do rank-wise, do you think it was worth your time, etc.


I ranked first at a t25 and transferred to U.Chicago.

Correlation doesn't imply causation, though, so I cannot say if it was worth my time.



Thanks for the response. The reason I ask is my damn LWR class is starting to really take time away frmo other classes. For the first time in a while, I walked into my K class almost clueless for the whole hour. Then again, I had to half-ass the readings in the morning.

Even though I didn't get called on, it sucked feeling kind of lost. I'm never doing that again. I'm open to the possibility that I may be able to concentrate and pay attention without briefing, but I've figured that mini-briefing (get/facts then tack on prof's analysis, policy considerations, etc) might help me outline better.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby Oban » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:42 pm

I never started briefing the classical sense. 2 of my 3 classes have laptop bans, for property, one of my banned classes, i may occasionally print out the lexis brief if the case is some uber dense british nonsense, but for the other classes i just read the cases the day before and have a good memory. Briefing for me is a waste of time. I've survived multiple cold calls fine so far, not that even factors into my final grade per se.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby jdubb990 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:25 pm

My briefs have gotten very...well, brief. But I do try and always brief my cases. If time is a huge issue that day I will use a lexis brief just to get me by in class but I try to stay away from this as briefing seems beneficial.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby kalvano » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:47 pm

I book brief. I don't bother typing something up, but I always read the cases and mark the important stuff. I don't ever just use a canned or Google brief in place of reading the case.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby 03121202698008 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:27 pm

I book brief though I type a very very basic brief into my notes to simplify outlining later (I hope).

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby Kobe_Teeth » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:03 pm

I get the relevant rule(s). And the page number....just in case.

I compile the rules in a file so i don't have to search for it when doing outlines.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby Kobe_Teeth » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:04 pm

rynabrius wrote:
I ranked first at a t25 and transferred to U.Chicago.

Correlation doesn't imply causation, though, so I cannot say if it was worth my time.



Nicely done. Congratulations!

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby joeshmo39 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:16 pm

I'm not briefing any more, I also don't think I'll finish in the top 1/3. Take it as you will.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby TobiasFunke » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:40 pm

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby danidancer » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:55 pm

I switched over to book briefing a couple of weeks ago (I still id the traditional brief sections in the margins). It does make getting cold called slightly more inconvenient/nerve wracking, but it's probably saved me apx. 5 minutes of typing after reading each case, which over the course of reading for 4 classes each night, adds up. If anything, the switch has forced me to internalize the cases more, since I know I won't have the crutch of the brief to rely on in class.

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby uwb09 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:59 pm

kalvano wrote:I book brief. I don't bother typing something up, but I always read the cases and mark the important stuff. I don't ever just use a canned or Google brief in place of reading the case.

+1

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby Anastasia Dee Dualla » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:01 am

I'm still briefing :( I am going to stop next week?

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Re: Anyone still briefing?

Postby kalvano » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:06 am

If you don't mind doing it, and it helps you, don't stop.

I find it easier to just highlight some key facts in case I get called upon and to note the rule in the margins.




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