In which we complain about HelLRW

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby uci2013 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:16 am

bostonian wrote:So are there any law-related jobs that don't require writing? If not I should just drop out now.

Yeah I know I should have thought about this before.


I think you do a lot less writing in the DA's office or PD's office.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby Cupidity » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:18 am

uci2013 wrote:
bostonian wrote:So are there any law-related jobs that don't require writing? If not I should just drop out now.

Yeah I know I should have thought about this before.


I think you do a lot less writing in the DA's office or PD's office.


What?! In a DA's/PD's office you have to write all the time, and it isn't just memos.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby bostonian » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:28 am

Cupidity wrote:
uci2013 wrote:
bostonian wrote:So are there any law-related jobs that don't require writing? If not I should just drop out now.

Yeah I know I should have thought about this before.


I think you do a lot less writing in the DA's office or PD's office.


What?! In a DA's/PD's office you have to write all the time, and it isn't just memos.


And the pay sucks. In other words, I should be getting an MBA.
Math >>> Writing

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby keg411 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:44 am

kalvano wrote:We aren't supposed to receive any outside help at all from anyone. I think they said not to talk about it all, but everyone does.


It's the same here, but I'm sure people talk. I didn't and (and really don't know anyone in my section who actually did) but I wish we could have at least done a "peer editing" session like we did with our ungraded memo.

I'm actually hoping I do well because I want to TA next year. I like my prof and I generally like LAWR.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby beach_terror » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:46 am

THE BEAST HAS BEEN SLAIN

MAY YOU ROT IN HELL

(UNTIL NEXT SEMESTER)

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby emorystud2010 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:11 pm

ITS OVER!

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby Stanford4Me » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:24 am

I'm gonna miss my professor, though.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby dakatz » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:30 am

My final words spoken to my memo before I sent it in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Txgb80F ... re=related

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby bostonian » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:57 am

CLR is Northwestern's name for legal writing. Still trying to figure out who actually created this:

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby kcg171 » Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:52 pm

bostonian wrote:CLR is Northwestern's name for legal writing. Still trying to figure out who actually created this:

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that is amazing.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby bleedcubbieblue » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:06 am


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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby dakatz » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:32 pm

bleedcubbieblue wrote:Adios el diablo memo!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bh2uKJOIKE&feature=fvw


I'd call you a copycat, but that scene is just too appropriate.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby uzpakalis » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:29 pm

dakatz wrote:
bleedcubbieblue wrote:Adios el diablo memo!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bh2uKJOIKE&feature=fvw


I'd call you a copycat, but that scene is just too appropriate.


Yes, the end of the video is priceless.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby RUQRU » Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:53 am

This guy knows what to do to a Bluebook!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pRnE3cjWv8

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby goodolgil » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:23 am

Second semester even worse than the first.

Hello, Brief in Support of Motion for Preliminary Injunction!

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby Encyclopedia Brown » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:39 am

goodolgil wrote:Second semester even worse than the first.

Hello, Brief in Support of Motion for Preliminary Injunction!

+1 Have you met my friend Memorandum in Support of Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment? Oh well, I can't hate what I've barely started.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby blerg » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:41 pm

Encyclopedia Brown wrote:
goodolgil wrote:Second semester even worse than the first.

Hello, Brief in Support of Motion for Preliminary Injunction!

+1 Have you met my friend Memorandum in Support of Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment? Oh well, I can't hate what I've barely started.


My friend Memorandum in Opposition of Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment agrees.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby Sogui » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:49 pm

I love my 2nd semester legal writing guy. First semester's instructor was OK, but was just more of the status quo "by the book" stuff, which isn't bad unless the "book" happens to be a Bluebook.

2nd semester we get an older guy who isn't trying to climb any career ladders here, "informal" doesn't even begin to describe his down-to-earth style. He spent a good deal of our first class expressing disdain for the new grading sheets that has been used to evaluate our papers, I like him already.

Also a relevant quote I saw today:

[N]eedless to say, I have not read the nineteenth edition. I have dipped into it, much as one might dip one’s toes in a pail of freezing water. I am put in mind of Mr. Kurtz’s dying words in Heart of Darkness — ‘The horror! The horror!’ — and am tempted to end there.

— Judge Richard Posner

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby klussy » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:33 pm

TA marks "why is this important" to points which are self-evidently important... :roll:

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby kalvano » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:51 pm

I got marked off on my final memo for:

1) Using proper names...such as Canada, where we were talking about the validity of foreign adoptions.
2) In a case that turned on actual versus constructive notice, citing the case that ever Texas decision since then cites as the case that defines actual and constructive notice....because it wasn't a real property case, even though all the real property cases use it.

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby Holly Golightly » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:17 pm

OH MY GOD I WOULD RATHER DIE THAN FINISH WRITING THIS ARGUMENT

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby RUQRU » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:24 pm

Judge Posner Confesses He Was Unable to Master the Hated Bluebook While at Harvard Law School

Judge Richard Posner hasn’t mastered the 511 pages that make up the latest edition of The Bluebook: A Uniform System of Citation. The Chicago-based federal appeals judge hasn’t even read it in detail.

“I have dipped into it, much as one might dip one’s toes in a pail of freezing water,” Posner writes in an article for the Yale Law Journal. “I am put in mind of Mr. Kurtz’s dying words in Heart of Darkness—‘The horror! The horror!’ ”
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Posner doesn’t use The Bluebook in his judicial opinions. Instead, he hands his court clerks a manual with a short section on citation form, complete with a “cheat sheet” of examples. “I think that if one compares my citation system to that of The Bluebook, one will at least begin to question The Bluebook’s utility,” he writes.

http://www.abajournal.com/weekly/article/judge_posner_confesses_he_was_unable_to_master_the_bluebook_at_harvard_law?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby vamedic03 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:37 pm

With regards to Posner & the blue book, this should be required reading:

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby JazzOne » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:51 pm

RUQRU wrote:Judge Posner Confesses He Was Unable to Master the Hated Bluebook While at Harvard Law School

Judge Richard Posner hasn’t mastered the 511 pages that make up the latest edition of The Bluebook: A Uniform System of Citation. The Chicago-based federal appeals judge hasn’t even read it in detail.

“I have dipped into it, much as one might dip one’s toes in a pail of freezing water,” Posner writes in an article for the Yale Law Journal. “I am put in mind of Mr. Kurtz’s dying words in Heart of Darkness—‘The horror! The horror!’ ”
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Posner doesn’t use The Bluebook in his judicial opinions. Instead, he hands his court clerks a manual with a short section on citation form, complete with a “cheat sheet” of examples. “I think that if one compares my citation system to that of The Bluebook, one will at least begin to question The Bluebook’s utility,” he writes.

http://www.abajournal.com/weekly/article/judge_posner_confesses_he_was_unable_to_master_the_bluebook_at_harvard_law?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email

vamedic03 wrote:With regards to Posner & the blue book, this should be required reading:

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I don't have time to read the article this evening. But on it's face, Posner's argument seems flawed. The portion of The Bluebook dedicated to practitioners and law clerks (i.e., the "Bluepages") is less than 50 pages. It's pretty simple actually. The rest of The Bluebook is geared toward law journals, for which citations can be much more difficult. I'd like to see how Posner's simplified citation format handles something obscure like the British Constitution, Israeli law, a pre-publication draft of an article, or a memorandum opinion (all of which I have come across this year while cite checking articles). I'll read Posner's article when I get a chance though. So much to do.....

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Re: In which we complain about HelLRW

Postby blerg » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:04 pm

LRW + Con Law front loading is killing me.




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