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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby AR75 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:59 pm

Same here, except I freak-shitted myself into going over almost all the KS state essays throughout last week. I at least feel more comfortable in recognizing the common fact patters. However, there are some crazy outliers that you just won't see coming until you take a jaunt through essay-land.
Also, the length and depth of the model answers compared to the projected length and depth of my answers is like the space between the testes and ultimate freedom--a vast difference.

I think today was my good-news revelation with the MBE questions, which I'll try to keep scoring well on throughout the weekend. Best wishes to everyone on the exams!

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby Corsair » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:22 pm

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby chris0805 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:41 pm

Looking over outlines and the last five years of NY essays and feeling BURNT out.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby chris0805 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:22 pm

Quick question. What do we think the scores of the sample answers on separec would be? 6 is above average so it could be 6 or are they closer to "model" answers and thus an 8/9? Just wondering if anyone knows.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby chris0805 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:22 pm

Quick question. What do we think the scores of the sample answers on separec would be? 6 is above average so it could be 6 or are they closer to "model" answers and thus an 8/9? Just wondering if anyone knows.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby jalong » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:03 pm

NewHere wrote:What BarBri tells you is that the average passing candidate scores (this is for NY) are 125-130 on the MBE; 5/10 on each of the essays; 5 on the MPT, and 60% on the NYMC. And that's useful information. But what you say is exactly right: "all you need is to pass the damn thing"! And so it would be good to know, if you feel confident about one part, how badly you can do on the other parts and still pass. Or if you feel you are terrible at one part, how well you need to do on the other parts and still pass.

The closest to an answer BarBri has given so far is that (again, for NY) there have been people who passed with an MBE score of 90, and that people who score 145 or higher generally don't fail.

I guess what I'm looking for doesn't exist. (Something like if you get 135 on the MBE, you can get a 4 average on the essays. If you get a 115 on the MBE, you'll need an average of 6 on the essays.)


I've been thinking about this one for most of the summer, and I wonder if this is just another attempt for Barbri to light a fire under my ass:

I don't really give a shit if I'm the average passing candidate. I'd be happy to be the lowest scoring passing candidate. So, when they give these numbers, do they mean that the average of all passing candidates get appox. this score? Or do they mean that what NY considers a passing grades is, on average, this score?

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby ggocat » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:05 pm

jalong wrote:So, when they give these numbers, do they mean that the average of all passing candidates get appox. this score? Or do they mean that what NY considers a passing grades is, on average, this score?

I think they mean the average of all candidates taking the exam.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby Corsair » Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:04 pm

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby jalong » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:00 pm

I FINALLY took the BarBri "mid-term" simulated MBE. Did anyone else notice a significant drop in correct answers on the afternoon portion? I kicked ass in the a.m., and then crapped out in the p.m. I'm wondering whether my brain got tired, or if it was just harder.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby DelDad » Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:01 pm

Screw the bar exam. Just blew off the afternoon and fixed my xbox's red ring of death and got so much more satisfaction out of it than I would have from tthe MPT I'd planned to do.
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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby ggocat » Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:10 pm

DelDad wrote:the MPT I'd planned to do.|

Gunner.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby Corsair » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:29 am

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby DelDad » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:13 am

My issue with MPTs is just timing. It's do exactly what they say, but I'm just doing it a little too slowly

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby ggocat » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:02 am

DelDad wrote:My issue with MPTs is just timing. It's do exactly what they say, but I'm just doing it a little too slowly

I'm with you on that. I feel like I could take twice as much time on those things.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby Jordan77 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:17 am

MY POST WAS DELETED BY A VENGEFUL PIRATE

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby jalong » Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:28 am

Jordan77 wrote:I posted this in a separate thread, but figured I might get more views here since I am sure you all have civ pro on your respective Bars.

Anyone able to sum up the difference between statutory interpleader and rule interpleader? I know that statutory allows minimal jurisdiction and is "broader" but I am still a little confused as to what would fall in statutory v. rule interpleader... anyone able to help me out?

Thanks! Sorry for the re-post.


Federal Rules of Civ Pro are procedural. The Supreme Court does not have the constitutional authority to legislate, they can only make rules about how court will work. So Rule Interpleader is narrow enough so that its basis for subject matter jurisdiction rests on the diversity statute. SCOTUS can't just make up its own SMJ. Statutory Interpleader was passed by, you guessed it, a statute, and therefore can be broader in that it allows smaller amounts in controversy. It is it's own basis of SMJ.

I recognize there are still a lot of gaps in that answer, but hopefully it helps. Also, I could be wrong, so don't unreasonably relying on me.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby Corsair » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:02 am

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby DelDad » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:21 am

ggocat wrote:
DelDad wrote:My issue with MPTs is just timing. It's do exactly what they say, but I'm just doing it a little too slowly

I'm with you on that. I feel like I could take twice as much time on those things.



Delaware has 2 MPTs, given in 3 hours on a different day from its state essays, so no way to leave extra time for an MPT by doing another essay quickly. The way the scoring formula works, each MPT affects the score more than any given state essay, so trying to get cheap points where I can, 'cause no more state info seems to stick in my head.

Good luck with your last couple days, everyone. Today I'm doing the second NCBEX set and studying mnemonics, tomorrow going to try to relax before the exam on Monday.
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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby NewHere » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:23 am

Corsair wrote:Wrong posting by accident is forgivable. Wrong posting intentionally in a thread with a moderator is probably a terrible idea. Out.


What's wrong about asking a bar-related question in a bar-related thread?

Corsair (and several other moderators) have a serious power problem.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby ggocat » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:29 am

Jordan77 wrote:I am sure you all have civ pro on your respective Bars.

[question about federal interpleader]

I'm in TX, where we don't study "federal" law.

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby Corsair » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:00 pm

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby ggocat » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:35 pm

Corsair wrote:
NewHere wrote:
Corsair wrote:Wrong posting by accident is forgivable. Wrong posting intentionally in a thread with a moderator is probably a terrible idea. Out.


What's wrong about asking a bar-related question in a bar-related thread?

Corsair (and several other moderators) have a serious power problem.

I read it as a law student asking a law question for civ pro. It didn't occur to me that it is summer time still and thus would be odd for someone to be asking a civ pro question.

If someone has an MBE topic question, that's different. But federal statutory interpleader? Wha? And the Q has already been asked in its own thread? Wha?

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby Jordan77 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:17 pm

jalong wrote:
Jordan77 wrote:I posted this in a separate thread, but figured I might get more views here since I am sure you all have civ pro on your respective Bars.

Anyone able to sum up the difference between statutory interpleader and rule interpleader? I know that statutory allows minimal jurisdiction and is "broader" but I am still a little confused as to what would fall in statutory v. rule interpleader... anyone able to help me out?

Thanks! Sorry for the re-post.


Federal Rules of Civ Pro are procedural. The Supreme Court does not have the constitutional authority to legislate, they can only make rules about how court will work. So Rule Interpleader is narrow enough so that its basis for subject matter jurisdiction rests on the diversity statute. SCOTUS can't just make up its own SMJ. Statutory Interpleader was passed by, you guessed it, a statute, and therefore can be broader in that it allows smaller amounts in controversy. It is it's own basis of SMJ.

I recognize there are still a lot of gaps in that answer, but hopefully it helps. Also, I could be wrong, so don't unreasonably relying on me.


Thanks jalong, that does help a bit and makes sense!

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby Jordan77 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:22 pm

Corsair wrote:Wrong posting by accident is forgivable. Wrong posting intentionally in a thread with a moderator is probably a terrible idea. Out.


My apologies... just thought more people would see it here after I had already posted it.
ggocat wrote:
Corsair wrote:
NewHere wrote:
Corsair wrote:Wrong posting by accident is forgivable. Wrong posting intentionally in a thread with a moderator is probably a terrible idea. Out.


What's wrong about asking a bar-related question in a bar-related thread?

Corsair (and several other moderators) have a serious power problem.

I read it as a law student asking a law question for civ pro. It didn't occur to me that it is summer time still and thus would be odd for someone to be asking a civ pro question.

If someone has an MBE topic question, that's different. But federal statutory interpleader? Wha? And the Q has already been asked in its own thread? Wha?


Well, I believe a lot of states have MEEs on civil procedure and more precisely federal civ pro, so I don't think it is that far fetched to ask that sort of question. Haters gonna hate I suppose. :lol:

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Re: Bar Review Support Group

Postby ggocat » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:24 pm

Jordan77 wrote:Well, I believe a lot of states have MEEs on civil procedure and more precisely federal civ pro, so I don't think it is that far fetched to ask that sort of question. Haters gonna hate I suppose. :lol:

I am definitely a hater. :lol:




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