Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

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Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby Drake014 » Fri May 21, 2010 10:06 pm

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby Aqualibrium » Fri May 21, 2010 10:09 pm

At least you don't have real grades to worry about :| Regardless, I generally agree. I am so over speculating grades.
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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby A'nold » Fri May 21, 2010 10:09 pm

When you are at Berkeley, yes, you should probs. give up on grades, haha. You are good because P's are such an enigma. Not to mention, employers are even confused.

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby Drake014 » Fri May 21, 2010 10:10 pm

Aqualibrium wrote:At least you don't have real grades to worry about :| Regardless, I generally agree.


Don't let Berkeley fool you.

HH = A
H = B
P = C
Sub-Pass = D

They just change what its called to make you feel better.

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby IzziesGal » Fri May 21, 2010 10:13 pm

Drake014 wrote:
Aqualibrium wrote:At least you don't have real grades to worry about :| Regardless, I generally agree.


Don't let Berkeley fool you.

HH = A
H = B
P = C
Sub-Pass = D

They just change what its called to make you feel better.


Not true....if you see a copy of the main campus transcript, and not the one from Boalt, HHs and Hs are listed as As, Ps are Bs, sub-Ps are Cs, and no credit is F.

What class did you get Honors in? I just got my crim grade from Boalt back so far, and that's it. I wish I had more grades to talk about. And yes - I give up trying to figure it out as well.

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby Drake014 » Fri May 21, 2010 10:15 pm

IzziesGal wrote:
Drake014 wrote:
Aqualibrium wrote:At least you don't have real grades to worry about :| Regardless, I generally agree.


Don't let Berkeley fool you.

HH = A
H = B
P = C
Sub-Pass = D

They just change what its called to make you feel better.


Not true....if you see a copy of the main campus transcript, and not the one from Boalt, HHs and Hs are listed as As, Ps are Bs, sub-Ps are Cs, and no credit is F.

What class did you get Honors in? I just got my crim grade from Boalt back so far, and that's it. I wish I had more grades to talk about. And yes - I give up trying to figure it out as well.


Don't put much stock in the official transcripts, I've seen them too. Employers who know Boalt don't care to see them. They want to see the Hs and Ps. I'll stick by my grading analysis :wink:

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby A'nold » Fri May 21, 2010 10:23 pm

Do you guys know of any seemingly smart students that have gotten a sub-P?

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby Drake014 » Fri May 21, 2010 10:24 pm

A'nold wrote:Do you guys know of any seemingly smart students that have gotten a sub-P?


I'm at Berkeley. Virtually every student seems really smart. I've only heard of maybe a half dozen sub-Ps throughout the whole 2012 class. Don't know who got them.

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby IzziesGal » Fri May 21, 2010 10:26 pm

Drake014 wrote:
A'nold wrote:Do you guys know of any seemingly smart students that have gotten a sub-P?


I'm at Berkeley. Virtually every student seems really smart. I've only heard of maybe a half dozen sub-Ps throughout the whole 2012 class. Don't know who got them.


I know of one who sub-p'd last semester in Ks and one in property, but that's it. Like Drake said, everyone seems brilliant. Not intimidating at all. :D

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby mbw » Sun May 23, 2010 7:27 pm

I bought into the grade hysteria of most of my classmates in the first semester, but about half-way through the spring I realized I'll be fine no matter what. I still worked hard, but just stopped freaking about doing any better than what I needed to keep my scholly.

Now, write-on is a different matter. I'm not ready to stop caring about that just yet (although one of my friends with similar credentials has, so perhaps I should lighten up about that as well...)

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby truevines » Tue May 25, 2010 5:46 am

Drake014 wrote:
Aqualibrium wrote:At least you don't have real grades to worry about :| Regardless, I generally agree.


Don't let Berkeley fool you.

HH = A
H = B
P = C
Sub-Pass = D

They just change what its called to make you feel better.


THis is not true because:
top 10% = HH
top 10-40% = H
the rest 60% = P

This is not a Gaussian distribution or whatever.

And you have no way to compare to two students as precisely as other schools do.
E.g.
A) HH + P : he could be top 10% + bottom 10%; while
B) H + P: could be top 30% + top 50%
and
C) P+P: could be top 45% + top 45%

Boalt's system encourages you to put all your eggs in one basket.
--
I don't know how they calculate the order of COIF or the ranking for clerkship.

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby IzziesGal » Tue May 25, 2010 6:56 pm

truevines wrote:
Drake014 wrote:
Aqualibrium wrote:At least you don't have real grades to worry about :| Regardless, I generally agree.


Don't let Berkeley fool you.

HH = A
H = B
P = C
Sub-Pass = D

They just change what its called to make you feel better.


THis is not true because:
top 10% = HH
top 10-40% = H
the rest 60% = P

This is not a Gaussian distribution or whatever.

And you have no way to compare to two students as precisely as other schools do.
E.g.
A) HH + P : he could be top 10% + bottom 10%; while
B) H + P: could be top 30% + top 50%
and
C) P+P: could be top 45% + top 45%

Boalt's system encourages you to put all your eggs in one basket.
--
I don't know how they calculate the order of COIF or the ranking for clerkship.


HH = 5 pts, H = 3, and P = 2. At least this is what some grades obsessed, Order of the Coif gunners tell me all the time.

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby Boalt1L » Tue May 25, 2010 9:22 pm

truevines wrote:
Drake014 wrote:
Aqualibrium wrote:At least you don't have real grades to worry about :| Regardless, I generally agree.


Don't let Berkeley fool you.

HH = A
H = B
P = C
Sub-Pass = D

They just change what its called to make you feel better.


THis is not true because:
top 10% = HH
top 10-40% = H
the rest 60% = P

This is not a Gaussian distribution or whatever.

And you have no way to compare to two students as precisely as other schools do.
E.g.
A) HH + P : he could be top 10% + bottom 10%; while
B) H + P: could be top 30% + top 50%
and
C) P+P: could be top 45% + top 45%

Boalt's system encourages you to put all your eggs in one basket.
--
I don't know how they calculate the order of COIF or the ranking for clerkship.


Putting all eggs in one basket is a terrible strategy, grades are fairly arbitrary, there is no amount of work you can do to guarantee yourself anything, plenty of people study a ton and get all Ps. The best strategy is to give a good effort on each exam.

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Re: Anyone Else Ready To Give Up On Grades?

Postby IzziesGal » Wed May 26, 2010 12:38 pm

Boalt1L wrote:
truevines wrote:
Drake014 wrote:
Aqualibrium wrote:At least you don't have real grades to worry about :| Regardless, I generally agree.


Don't let Berkeley fool you.

HH = A
H = B
P = C
Sub-Pass = D

They just change what its called to make you feel better.


THis is not true because:
top 10% = HH
top 10-40% = H
the rest 60% = P

This is not a Gaussian distribution or whatever.

And you have no way to compare to two students as precisely as other schools do.
E.g.
A) HH + P : he could be top 10% + bottom 10%; while
B) H + P: could be top 30% + top 50%
and
C) P+P: could be top 45% + top 45%

Boalt's system encourages you to put all your eggs in one basket.
--
I don't know how they calculate the order of COIF or the ranking for clerkship.


Putting all eggs in one basket is a terrible strategy, grades are fairly arbitrary, there is no amount of work you can do to guarantee yourself anything, plenty of people study a ton and get all Ps. The best strategy is to give a good effort on each exam.


+1. I think it's a bad idea to focus all your energy on X class and let the other ones slide. There is no guarantee that you will get the HH or even an H in that class, and then you will have lost out on possibly getting honors in your other classes.




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