Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

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Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby engineer » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:42 pm

Having a friend proofread your brief is a violation of the honor code. Making changes to your brief before you submit it for the moot court competition is a violation of the honor code. Registering for classes outside of your time slot is a violation of the honor code. Going over your graded exam with a friend is a violation of the honor code. Showing potential employers a graded assignments is a violation of the honor code.

It's absolutely absurd and I hate my school for making everything a violation of the honor code. Honestly, what's the rationale behind this?
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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby narkizopoint » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:45 pm

The first rule of honor code is that we don't talk about honor code...

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby waxloaf » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:56 pm

if you don't mind saying, what school? you can pm me if you want, im curious

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby AngryAvocado » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:00 pm

waxloaf wrote:if you don't mind saying, what school? you can pm me if you want, im curious


Sounds like a violation of the honor code to me.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby whuts4lunch » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:08 pm

engineer wrote:Having a friend proofread your brief is a violation of the honor code. Making changes to your brief before you submit it for the moot court competition is a violation of the honor code. Registering for classes outside of your time slot is a violation of the honor code. Going over your graded exam with a friend is a violation of the honor code. Showing potential employers a graded assignments is a violation of the honor code.

It's absolutely absurd and I hate my school for making everything a violation of the honor code. Honestly, what's the rationale behind this?


I think that showing graded assignments to employers could be helpful for employers as a way of distinguishing between median students at Gtown and top 33% students at GWU.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby ggocat » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:14 pm

engineer wrote:Going over your graded exam with a friend is a violation of the honor code. Showing potential employers a graded assignments is a violation of the honor code.

raised eyebrow to this. :?

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby ggocat » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:15 pm

whuts4lunch wrote:I think that showing graded assignments to employers could be helpful for employers as a way of distinguishing between median students at Gtown and top 33% students at GWU.

One employer specifically asked me for the graded copy of my legal writing assignment with the professor's comments.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby jetlagz28 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:15 pm

This thread will be reported as it violates the honor code.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby legalease9 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:24 pm

It seems that your school's honor code is uniquely strict, if these are the standards. The reason for it is because law school is hyper-competitive. Therefore I guess your school is trying to cover all their bases to make sure the playing ground is as perfectly fair as possible, going overboard in the process. It also seems that they are still trying to keep their old exams exams semi-confidential, which is a goal most school's have given up on.

P.S. congrats on reading the honor code. Everyone should do this with their law school before day 1, just to be safe.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby mikeytwoshoes » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:39 pm

betasteve wrote:
engineer wrote:having a friend proofread your brief is a violation of the honor code, making changes to your brief before you submit it for the moot court competition is a violation of the honor code, registering for classes outside of your time slot is a violation of the honor code. going over your graded exam with a friend is a violation of the honor code. showing potential employers my graded assignments is a violation of the honor code.

It's absolutely absurd and I hate my school for making everything a violation of the honor code. Honestly, what's the rationale behind this?

I believe criticizing the honor code is a per se violation of the honor code.

I checked our honor code and it falls under neither academic nor non-academic misconduct. There's some tension with the Law School Rules of Civil Procedure (i.e. who is the proper party to ajudicate the claim. The rules only specify LS SMJ for academic and non-academic misconduct.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby mikeytwoshoes » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:45 pm

legalease9 wrote:It seems that your school's honor code is uniquely strict, if these are the standards. The reason for it is because law school is hyper-competitive. Therefore I guess your school is trying to cover all their bases to make sure the playing ground is as perfectly fair as possible, going overboard in the process. It also seems that they are still trying to keep their old exams exams semi-confidential, which is a goal most school's have given up on.

P.S. congrats on reading the honor code. Everyone should do this with their law school before day 1, just to be safe.

Did LSC or PLS II tell you that, 0L?

GTFO

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby legalease9 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:21 pm

mikeytwoshoes wrote:
legalease9 wrote:It seems that your school's honor code is uniquely strict, if these are the standards. The reason for it is because law school is hyper-competitive. Therefore I guess your school is trying to cover all their bases to make sure the playing ground is as perfectly fair as possible, going overboard in the process. It also seems that they are still trying to keep their old exams exams semi-confidential, which is a goal most school's have given up on.

P.S. congrats on reading the honor code. Everyone should do this with their law school before day 1, just to be safe.

Did LSC or PLS II tell you that, 0L?

GTFO


And what would be your proposition for why the honor code is so strict in this case? I am not proposing that I invented the concept of hyper-competition in law school leading to strict honor codes. But that is why some law schools have incredibly strict honor codes. Now, do you have an alternative theory as to why honor codes are strict or are you just being a smartass.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby macattaq » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:40 pm

legalease9 wrote:
mikeytwoshoes wrote:
legalease9 wrote:It seems that your school's honor code is uniquely strict, if these are the standards. The reason for it is because law school is hyper-competitive. Therefore I guess your school is trying to cover all their bases to make sure the playing ground is as perfectly fair as possible, going overboard in the process. It also seems that they are still trying to keep their old exams exams semi-confidential, which is a goal most school's have given up on.

P.S. congrats on reading the honor code. Everyone should do this with their law school before day 1, just to be safe.

Did LSC or PLS II tell you that, 0L?

GTFO


And what would be your proposition for why the honor code is so strict in this case? I am not proposing that I invented the concept of hyper-competition in law school leading to strict honor codes. But that [i]is why some law schools have incredibly strict honor codes.[/i] Now, do you have an alternative theory as to why honor codes are strict or are you just being a smartass.


LOL

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby patrickd139 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:43 pm

legalease9 wrote:
mikeytwoshoes wrote:
legalease9 wrote:It seems that your school's honor code is uniquely strict, if these are the standards. The reason for it is because law school is hyper-competitive. Therefore I guess your school is trying to cover all their bases to make sure the playing ground is as perfectly fair as possible, going overboard in the process. It also seems that they are still trying to keep their old exams exams semi-confidential, which is a goal most school's have given up on.

P.S. congrats on reading the honor code. Everyone should do this with their law school before day 1, just to be safe.

Did LSC or PLS II tell you that, 0L?

GTFO


And what would be your proposition for why the honor code is so strict in this case? I am not proposing that I invented the concept of hyper-competition in law school leading to strict honor codes. But that is why some law schools have incredibly strict honor codes. Now, do you have an alternative theory as to why honor codes are strict or are you just being a smartass.

Because I believe you missed the point of mts's post, I'll clarify: You're in the wrong forum, 0L.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby jp0094 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:49 pm

Thinking about violating the honor code is a violation of the honor code.

Thought Crimes, beware.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby OperaAttorney » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:25 pm

Last week, my legal research and writing professor announced that telephoning Westlaw research attorneys for research assistance is a violation of the honor code.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby Lawl Shcool » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:28 pm

OperaAttorney wrote:Last week, my legal research and writing professor announced that telephoning Westlaw research attorneys for research assistance is a violation of the honor code.


wow, that sucks

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby OperaAttorney » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:32 pm

JPU wrote:
OperaAttorney wrote:Last week, my legal research and writing professor announced that telephoning Westlaw research attorneys for research assistance is a violation of the honor code.


wow, that sucks


What's more, she made the announcement after a gunner asked whether telephoning Westlaw research attorneys for research assistance with class assignments was a violation of the honor code. :lol:

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby engineer » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:56 pm

amyLAchemist wrote:
ggocat wrote:
whuts4lunch wrote:I think that showing graded assignments to employers could be helpful for employers as a way of distinguishing between median students at Gtown and top 33% students at GWU.

One employer specifically asked me for the graded copy of my legal writing assignment with the professor's comments.

yeah, engineer, what do you use for a writing sample?


hahahaha, that would imply that employment opportunities exist here.

writing samples are virtually a non-issue for T40-60s.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby chup » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:49 pm

Invoking the Honor Code is a violation of the Honor Code.

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby holydonkey » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:07 pm

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

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Re: Why is EVERYTHING a violation of the honor code???

Postby mikeytwoshoes » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:22 pm

legalease9 wrote:
mikeytwoshoes wrote:
legalease9 wrote:It seems that your school's honor code is uniquely strict, if these are the standards. The reason for it is because law school is hyper-competitive. Therefore I guess your school is trying to cover all their bases to make sure the playing ground is as perfectly fair as possible, going overboard in the process. It also seems that they are still trying to keep their old exams exams semi-confidential, which is a goal most school's have given up on.

P.S. congrats on reading the honor code. Everyone should do this with their law school before day 1, just to be safe.

Did LSC or PLS II tell you that, 0L?

GTFO


And what would be your proposition for why the honor code is so strict in this case? I am not proposing that I invented the concept of hyper-competition in law school leading to strict honor codes. But that is why some law schools have incredibly strict honor codes. Now, do you have an alternative theory as to why honor codes are strict or are you just being a smartass.

It doesn't matter. As a 0L, you have no idea what hyper-competitiveness is. It is true that we compete against each other but it's not like the books tell you. No one is mean spirited. No one hides books in the library. I would say that honor codes are strict because they want to discourage cheating, which has nothing to do with actual law school competition. Cheating is separate because competition is everywhere and only douche-bags cheat. It's about keeping the playing field level. Competition is encouraged. Again, as a 0L, you cannot understand the reality of law school and should not give authoritative statements and/or advice.




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