what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

(Study Tips, Dealing With Stress, Maintaining a Social Life, Financial Aid, Internships, Bar Exam, Careers in Law . . . )
User avatar
lsat_fear
Posts: 78
Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:58 pm

what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby lsat_fear » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:29 pm

i'm guessing

Federal Courts
Secured Transactions
Federal Income Tax

User avatar
TTT-LS
Posts: 764
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:36 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby TTT-LS » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:00 pm

.
Last edited by TTT-LS on Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Snooker
Posts: 360
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:50 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby Snooker » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:24 pm

I remember you recommending taking courses in a certain order so as to avoid the gunners and land good grades more easily. What's your opinion on that issue?

User avatar
TTT-LS
Posts: 764
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:36 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby TTT-LS » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:55 pm

.
Last edited by TTT-LS on Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
nealric
Posts: 2395
Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:53 am

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby nealric » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:08 am

Fed Cts.
Corporate Tax (Tax I isn't that difficult)
Admin

User avatar
Ipsa Dixit
Posts: 228
Joined: Tue May 29, 2007 10:56 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby Ipsa Dixit » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:24 pm

Business Associations

On another note, my school canceled Fed Courts this semester because not enough students enrolled.

ScaredWorkedBored
Posts: 409
Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:39 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby ScaredWorkedBored » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:40 pm

Substantively:

Tax
Bankruptcy
Admin.


All three generally have their top grades determined by "not quite as horrible" performance on the exam. My raw score failed our tax exam and I tied for highest grade in the class.

There are other classes that, depending on the curve, should be relatively easy but become soul-killing brutality because of the people who take it. That's where Federal Courts, while not really "easy" substantively, gets its reputation from. Advanced business transactions courses can also be in this catagory. Not so much because the stuff is that "hard" - it's time consuming but not really difficult if you've been paying attention your first two years - but because there is no one in the class who isn't a high Vault gunner.

User avatar
nealric
Posts: 2395
Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:53 am

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby nealric » Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:29 pm

All three generally have their top grades determined by "not quite as horrible" performance on the exam. My raw score failed our tax exam and I tied for highest grade in the class.


I suppose it depends on the prof, but in a lot of Tax I classes here missing 4/20 of questions will put you in B- land. Tax I is a really broad overview, so I suppose it depends on how much breadth and depth the prof wants to include.

This isn't a common law school class (it's technically an LLM class), but in my U.S. Tax of International Transactions class, the model answer had several questions wrong, and one of the essays was way out in left field. I panicked on the exam and changed 1/2 my answers in the last 10 minutes, and still got a B+.

User avatar
TTT-LS
Posts: 764
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:36 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby TTT-LS » Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:19 pm

.
Last edited by TTT-LS on Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

fortissimo
Posts: 597
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:05 am

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby fortissimo » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:44 pm

I've heard Corporate Tax (Tax II) and Fed Courts are tough. My friend thinks Corporate Tax is much, much harder than Tax I (Individual). This person is also taking International Tax and says it is also hard, but his International Tax prof says that Partnership Tax is the hardest class in law school.

Supposedly Jurisdiction kind of blows too, but maybe not one of the hardest.

WellNow
Posts: 18
Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 7:22 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby WellNow » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:56 pm

I have heard a lot of professors say that conflict of laws is one of the most difficult courses around.

User avatar
steve_nash
Posts: 256
Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:35 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby steve_nash » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:48 pm

.
Last edited by steve_nash on Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
vanwinkle
Posts: 9740
Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:02 am

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby vanwinkle » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:51 pm

Given your subject line, I'm going to consider "Remedial English" to be substantively difficult. With the bar set that low, just about any upper-level law course is going to be extremely hard for you. HTH.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Posts: 63
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:07 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby Ignatius J. Reilly » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:12 am

I'm probably gonna get laughed at here, but for me it was Evidence. Hearsay can be a very complicated issue.

User avatar
Grad_Student
Posts: 367
Joined: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:20 am

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby Grad_Student » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:51 am

Evidence
Payment Systems

thats it.

BobSacamano
Posts: 224
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:51 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby BobSacamano » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:32 am

What exactly makes Fed Courts so difficult? One of my professors, when I was asking him what courses to take next year, even warned me that it's really hard.

270910
Posts: 2437
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 9:51 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby 270910 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:39 am

BobSacamano wrote:What exactly makes Fed Courts so difficult? One of my professors, when I was asking him what courses to take next year, even warned me that it's really hard.


Subject matter aside (and I've heard it's no walk in the park) your big problem is potential clerkship applicants. It seems to be somewhere between 'required' and 'strongly encouraged', so not only do you have a higher concentration of people with high GPAs in the class, but they're all going to be pulling out the stops to try and get an A.

User avatar
vanwinkle
Posts: 9740
Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:02 am

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby vanwinkle » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:55 pm

disco_barred wrote:
BobSacamano wrote:What exactly makes Fed Courts so difficult? One of my professors, when I was asking him what courses to take next year, even warned me that it's really hard.

Subject matter aside (and I've heard it's no walk in the park) your big problem is potential clerkship applicants. It seems to be somewhere between 'required' and 'strongly encouraged', so not only do you have a higher concentration of people with high GPAs in the class, but they're all going to be pulling out the stops to try and get an A.

Yeah, this. It's bad enough in a general T14 law school class, because most people there have 170+ LSATs and were capable in UG. However, out of all of those people, if you take the ones who manage to all get the most A's and have the biggest shot at clerkships, and put them in a room together... They're still being graded on a curve, and it's a curve against a class full of people that all know how to beat the curve in other classes.

You're screwed, basically.

User avatar
lsat_fear
Posts: 78
Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:58 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby lsat_fear » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:05 pm

vanwinkle wrote:Given your subject line, I'm going to consider "Remedial English" to be substantively difficult. With the bar set that low, just about any upper-level law course is going to be extremely hard for you. HTH.

:roll:

lukkuhlee spelleeng duhzunt kowntt n laww skule butt braynz doo.

User avatar
username1
Posts: 31
Joined: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:51 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby username1 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:47 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
disco_barred wrote:
BobSacamano wrote:What exactly makes Fed Courts so difficult? One of my professors, when I was asking him what courses to take next year, even warned me that it's really hard.

Subject matter aside (and I've heard it's no walk in the park) your big problem is potential clerkship applicants. It seems to be somewhere between 'required' and 'strongly encouraged', so not only do you have a higher concentration of people with high GPAs in the class, but they're all going to be pulling out the stops to try and get an A.

Yeah, this. It's bad enough in a general T14 law school class, because most people there have 170+ LSATs and were capable in UG. However, out of all of those people, if you take the ones who manage to all get the most A's and have the biggest shot at clerkships, and put them in a room together... They're still being graded on a curve, and it's a curve against a class full of people that all know how to beat the curve in other classes.

You're screwed, basically.


How do they do this exactly??

270910
Posts: 2437
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 9:51 pm

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby 270910 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:04 pm

username1 wrote:How do they do this exactly??


Arcane rituals, fish oil supplements, bullet-time?

User avatar
Grad_Student
Posts: 367
Joined: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:20 am

Re: what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses

Postby Grad_Student » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:14 am

lol You know you go to a TTT when your school doesn't offer Fed. Courts.




Return to “Forum for Law School Students”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], rockosmodernlife, Stubbazubba, wg6524 and 20 guests