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Bar/past employer question

Postby avacado111 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:48 pm

So, I was working at a retail (GAP) two weeks. I later decided to quit b/c I couldn't really stand the enviornment. I didn't do anything wrong, but the supervisor was pretty mad because she had spent so much time training me. I didn't say anything to her, and apologized (I explained to her that I felt this job wasn't a good "fit" with my personality).

Now, I'm wondering how the bar exam contacts previous employers. I don't know how long she would hold a grudge. But could this hinder me from passing the character and fitness exam? What does the bar actually send to previous employers? I mean, (for example) do they ask questions like: can I see the applicant's resume? how did the applicant got paid? I have researched this, and I couldn't come up with anything on the internet.

Is this going to screw me over? Will I not be able to practice law b/c of this silly incident?

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby Pearalegal » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:51 pm

Um, no. There is no record of disciplinary action. You quit. Even if she gave you a horrible review, who cares? No paperwork saying you did anything wrong, and you didn't do anything wrong regardless.

Except getting the "fall into the GAP" jingle in my head again.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:52 pm

avacado111 wrote:So, I was working at a retail (GAP) two weeks. I later decided to quit b/c I couldn't really stand the enviornment. I didn't do anything wrong, but the supervisor was pretty mad because she had spent so much time training me. I didn't say anything to her, and apologized (I explained to her that I felt this job wasn't a good "fit" with my personality).

Now, I'm wondering how the bar exam contacts previous employers. I don't know how long she would hold a grudge. But could this hinder me from passing the character and fitness exam? What does the bar actually send to previous employers? I mean, (for example) do they ask questions like: can I see the applicant's resume? how did the applicant got paid? I have researched this, and I couldn't come up with anything on the internet.

Is this going to screw me over? Will I not be able to practice law b/c of this silly incident?


Do you really think you won't pass C&F because you quit the GAP? Really? Really?

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby avacado111 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:54 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
avacado111 wrote:So, I was working at a retail (GAP) two weeks. I later decided to quit b/c I couldn't really stand the enviornment. I didn't do anything wrong, but the supervisor was pretty mad because she had spent so much time training me. I didn't say anything to her, and apologized (I explained to her that I felt this job wasn't a good "fit" with my personality).

Now, I'm wondering how the bar exam contacts previous employers. I don't know how long she would hold a grudge. But could this hinder me from passing the character and fitness exam? What does the bar actually send to previous employers? I mean, (for example) do they ask questions like: can I see the applicant's resume? how did the applicant got paid? I have researched this, and I couldn't come up with anything on the internet.

Is this going to screw me over? Will I not be able to practice law b/c of this silly incident?


Do you really think you won't pass C&F because you quit the GAP? Really? Really?


I thought the bar reviews/contacts your past employers. If they did, and she had a grudge on me for quiting, I thought she could ruin my chances of passing the bar.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby A'nold » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:05 am

Well, if you won't pass b/c of this, I certainly won't pass. I have like a billion prior employers and have quit quite a few crap jobs in my life. Hopefully the bar will see passing law school and the bar as a sign of maturity and "stick with it ness" if not, I'm done for.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby linquest » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:56 am

avacado111 wrote:What does the bar actually send to previous employers? I mean, (for example) do they ask questions like: can I see the applicant's resume? how did the applicant got paid? I have researched this, and I couldn't come up with anything on the internet.


Depends on the state. You can always call the state Bar Examiners or C&F agency, anonymously if you prefer, and ask.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby Pearalegal » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:57 am

Again. No disciplinary action was taken against you.

/thread.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby Joe Biden » Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:38 am

Pearalegal wrote:Um, no. There is no record of disciplinary action. You quit. Even if she gave you a horrible review, who cares? No paperwork saying you did anything wrong, and you didn't do anything wrong regardless.

Except getting the "fall into the GAP" jingle in my head again.


There does not need to be "paperwork" to raise character and fitness issues. If the employer is really that upset, what stops them from making something up. Sure, you can sue them, but it might still raise an issue. Exes are known for pulling that. We actually had a scenario like this in Professional Responsibility. The character and witness board, along with the ethics committee, do not only deal in substantiated facts. They will investigate allegations as well. Sure, you might end up being cleared ultimately, but it can be a very unpleasant experience to go through. And, who is to guarantee the truth will prevail. Sometimes the honest person loses. That is real life.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby thatsnotmyname » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:45 pm

Wow, is this actually an issue? Now, I'm worried... I'm not even in law school yet. However, a job (a Wal-mart like store) I held before entering college may have terminated me for a no-show. Would that seriously raise issues on C&F, even though it was before even entering college?

Also, technically I'm not sure whether I was actually terminated or not, because I told her I quit... is there any way to actually check what your record says... because some law school apps ask if you were ever terminated, right? So I should know the right answer to that question.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby 09042014 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:51 pm

thatsnotmyname wrote:Wow, is this actually an issue? Now, I'm worried... I'm not even in law school yet. However, a job (a Wal-mart like store) I held before entering college may have terminated me for a no-show. Would that seriously raise issues on C&F, even though it was before even entering college?

Also, technically I'm not sure whether I was actually terminated or not, because I told her I quit... is there any way to actually check what your record says... because some law school apps ask if you were ever terminated, right? So I should know the right answer to that question.


I think they are looking for embezzlement, insider trading, corporate espionage, black male, sexual harassment, not getting written up for no showing at Kmart.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby Unjust Enrichment » Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:53 pm

Desert Fox wrote:I think they are looking for embezzlement, insider trading, corporate espionage, black male, sexual harassment, not getting written up for no showing at Kmart.


Well-veiled attempt to start a URM debate.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby A'nold » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:54 pm

Unjust Enrichment wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:I think they are looking for embezzlement, insider trading, corporate espionage, black male, sexual harassment, not getting written up for no showing at Kmart.


Well-veiled attempt to start a URM debate.

:lol:

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby 09042014 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:56 pm

Unjust Enrichment wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:I think they are looking for embezzlement, insider trading, corporate espionage, black male, sexual harassment, not getting written up for no showing at Kmart.


Well-veiled attempt to start a URM debate.


Greatest typo of my life.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby Sangiovese » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:07 pm

Many corporations have policies in place that limit them to giving your job title and dates of employment if they are contacted about ex exployees. A few years ago people started filing lawsuits against previous employers for giving bad references and it pretty much killed the whole checking references thing. The Gap is a pretty big corp and most likely has such a policy.

Heck, one of my previous bosses couldn't even write a letter for law school because of the corporate policy. It's a shame too, because he writes well and could have turned out a masterpiece for me.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby JPrezy87 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:24 pm

avacado111 wrote:So, I was working at a retail (GAP) two weeks. I later decided to quit b/c I couldn't really stand the enviornment. I didn't do anything wrong, but the supervisor was pretty mad because she had spent so much time training me. I didn't say anything to her, and apologized (I explained to her that I felt this job wasn't a good "fit" with my personality).

Now, I'm wondering how the bar exam contacts previous employers. I don't know how long she would hold a grudge. But could this hinder me from passing the character and fitness exam? What does the bar actually send to previous employers? I mean, (for example) do they ask questions like: can I see the applicant's resume? how did the applicant got paid? I have researched this, and I couldn't come up with anything on the internet.

Is this going to screw me over? Will I not be able to practice law b/c of this silly incident?


I'm sorry but I was just browsing through past topics through the forum search and I stumbled unto this..son...you can just omit them on your employment history ;).

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby glitter178 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:28 pm

JPrezy87 wrote:
avacado111 wrote:So, I was working at a retail (GAP) two weeks. I later decided to quit b/c I couldn't really stand the enviornment. I didn't do anything wrong, but the supervisor was pretty mad because she had spent so much time training me. I didn't say anything to her, and apologized (I explained to her that I felt this job wasn't a good "fit" with my personality).

Now, I'm wondering how the bar exam contacts previous employers. I don't know how long she would hold a grudge. But could this hinder me from passing the character and fitness exam? What does the bar actually send to previous employers? I mean, (for example) do they ask questions like: can I see the applicant's resume? how did the applicant got paid? I have researched this, and I couldn't come up with anything on the internet.

Is this going to screw me over? Will I not be able to practice law b/c of this silly incident?


I'm sorry but I was just browsing through past topics through the forum search and I stumbled unto this..son...you can just omit them on your employment history ;).


but dont' you have to put all past employment? i'm going to deal with the same issue. worked a lot of jobs, always gave a two weeks notice, but a few times didn't work my last shift.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby JPrezy87 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:38 pm

I'm sorry but I was just browsing through past topics through the forum search and I stumbled unto this..son...you can just omit them on your employment history ;).[/quote]

but dont' you have to put all past employment? i'm going to deal with the same issue. worked a lot of jobs, always gave a two weeks notice, but a few times didn't work my last shift.[/quote]

Well technically (they say) you're suppose to report all employment since you're 18th birthday...but hey...if you wanna omit a past employer you had some bad blood with..be my guest...and chances are...they're not gonna find out..not like there's a national database of all the jobs you've ever held :)

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby Kabuo » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:44 pm

JPrezy87 wrote:
Well technically (they say) you're suppose to report all employment since you're 18th birthday...but hey...if you wanna omit a past employer you had some bad blood with..be my guest...and chances are...they're not gonna find out..not like there's a national database of all the jobs you've ever held :)


Well, legit jobs.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby JPrezy87 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:59 pm

Kabuo wrote:
JPrezy87 wrote:
Well technically (they say) you're suppose to report all employment since you're 18th birthday...but hey...if you wanna omit a past employer you had some bad blood with..be my guest...and chances are...they're not gonna find out..not like there's a national database of all the jobs you've ever held :)


Well, legit jobs.


huh? what you mean??

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby Kabuo » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:10 pm

Taxes?

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby JPrezy87 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:13 pm

Kabuo wrote:Taxes?


um, sir...could you speak..er...respond to me in complete sentences please?? im not understanding your one word posts lol

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby Kabuo » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:37 am

I'm referring to W2 forms. You know, the ones showing how much you earned and from where.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby JPrezy87 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:25 am

Kabuo wrote:I'm referring to W2 forms. You know, the ones showing how much you earned and from where.


oh...i understand what you're saying...but I doubt they'll ask for or look for those ;).

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby RUQRU » Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:26 pm

Here is a link to an ABA PDF file: Comprehensive Guide to Bar Admission Requirements 2010. It has charts for all kinds of stuff for every state.
Note that many states allow folks with felony convictions to become members of the bar. You quitting the GAP is not going to matter.

See page 6 for the C&F requirements.

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Re: Bar/past employer question

Postby Renzo » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:12 pm

In the past 24 hours, I've now read a thread asking about lying under oath to the FBI is ok, and one asking if quitting a dumb retail job makes you unfit to practice law.


My mind is reeling.




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