How bad is an 81?

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How bad is an 81?

Postby Hurricane28 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:54 pm

So far I have gotten all of my grades except for civ pro. My average right now is an 81. About what percentage rank am I looking at if the average is an 85?

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby rayiner » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:56 pm

Hurricane28 wrote:So far I have gotten all of my grades except for civ pro. My average right now is an 81. About what percentage rank am I looking at if the average is an 85?


WUSTL?

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby Hurricane28 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:57 pm

no, but tier 1

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby pasteurizedmilk » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:00 pm

What the hell? Why do so many people have grades already?

Anyone know how quickly grades usually come in at GULC? Any GULCers have grades already?

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby dans » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:30 pm

I'm at your school, an 81 is like bottom 15-20%.

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby rayiner » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:31 pm

Hurricane28 wrote:no, but tier 1


No way to know without more of the scale, or a standard deviation. Given tight law school curves, probably well below median.

WUSTL uses a similar scale. There, 81 would be well into bottom third.

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby Hurricane28 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:45 pm

dans wrote:I'm at your school, an 81 is like bottom 15-20%.


How do you know what school I go to?

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby dans » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:48 pm

I think that wustl and our school are the only t1 schools that do not give letter grades, and most schools have not posted their grades yet.

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby Bankhead » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:53 pm

Sorry about the low grades dooder.

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby Hurricane28 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:01 pm

guess i can say see ya to landing a job in the private sector

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby NayBoer » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:10 pm

dans wrote:I think that wustl and our school are the only t1 schools that do not give letter grades, and most schools have not posted their grades yet.
Chicago does numbers, I think. Or did.

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby Space_Cowboy » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:13 pm

rayiner wrote:
Hurricane28 wrote:no, but tier 1


No way to know without more of the scale, or a standard deviation. Given tight law school curves, probably well below median.

WUSTL uses a similar scale. There, 81 would be well into bottom third.


Out of curiosity, does the difference between an 81 average and an 85 average really justify the difference with which the grades are regarded by employers (bottom 20% vs. median)?

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby thesealocust » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:26 pm

At Ohio State, an 81 is a B- average. 30% get As and 60% get Bs of some kind, which means your average probably puts you somewhere in the bottom third. Top 25% is a 92.2. If the average is 85, that means bottom 25% is probsbly something like 77.5, which would put you probably right at bottom 33%ish.

If you go to Colorado, your GPA would still be a b-, but their median is supposed to be 84. Either way you'd be looking at bottom 1/3-ish.

Edit: wake forest info below

Those are the only 3 T1 schools other than WUSTL that use numbers. I'd say best case scenario is bottom 40%, worst case scenario is bottom 20%.
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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby General Tso » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:28 pm

thesealocust wrote:At Ohio State, an 81 is a B- average. 30% get As and 60% get Bs of some kind, which means your average probably puts you somewhere in the bottom third. Top 25% is a 92.2. If the average is 85, that means bottom 25% is probsbly something like 77.5, which would put you probably right at bottom 33%ish.

If you go to Colorado, your GPA would still be a b-, but their median is supposed to be 84. Either way you'd be looking at bottom 1/3-ish.

If you go to wake forest... they average to 73, so you're probably not at wake forest. If you were you'd be above median :P

Those are the only 3 T1 schools other than WUSTL that use numbers. I'd say best case scenario is bottom 40%, worst case scenario is bottom 20%.


some people just have too much time on their hands...pertinent info though gotta give you props for that

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby thesealocust » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:29 pm

swheat wrote:some people just have too much time on their hands...pertinent info though gotta give you props for that


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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby Kohinoor » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:33 pm

Still have time to turn that GPA around man.

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby thesealocust » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:35 pm

ntzsch wrote:
thesealocust wrote:At Ohio State, an 81 is a B- average. 30% get As and 60% get Bs of some kind, which means your average probably puts you somewhere in the bottom third. Top 25% is a 92.2. If the average is 85, that means bottom 25% is probsbly something like 77.5, which would put you probably right at bottom 33%ish.

If you go to Colorado, your GPA would still be a b-, but their median is supposed to be 84. Either way you'd be looking at bottom 1/3-ish.

If you go to wake forest... they average to 73, so you're probably not at wake forest. If you were you'd be above median :P

Those are the only 3 T1 schools other than WUSTL that use numbers. I'd say best case scenario is bottom 40%, worst case scenario is bottom 20%.


should that mean anything to a prospective Wake Forest 1L?


Actually, I misread wake forest's info when researching the first time. Also, I looked at OPs post history. OP goes to Wake Forest :P

Wake Forest averages to an 85, and a 73 is required for good standing.

Correct wake forest info:

Top 10%: 89.9

Top 25%: 87.5

Top 50%: 85.2

Top 75%: 82.8

That means OP is in the bottom 20% neighborhood, tough break.

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby Hurricane28 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:38 pm

thesealocust wrote:
ntzsch wrote:
thesealocust wrote:At Ohio State, an 81 is a B- average. 30% get As and 60% get Bs of some kind, which means your average probably puts you somewhere in the bottom third. Top 25% is a 92.2. If the average is 85, that means bottom 25% is probsbly something like 77.5, which would put you probably right at bottom 33%ish.

If you go to Colorado, your GPA would still be a b-, but their median is supposed to be 84. Either way you'd be looking at bottom 1/3-ish.

If you go to wake forest... they average to 73, so you're probably not at wake forest. If you were you'd be above median :P

Those are the only 3 T1 schools other than WUSTL that use numbers. I'd say best case scenario is bottom 40%, worst case scenario is bottom 20%.


should that mean anything to a prospective Wake Forest 1L?


Actually, I misread wake forest's info when researching the first time. Also, I looked at OPs post history. OP goes to Wake Forest :P

Wake Forest averages to an 85, and a 73 is required for good standing.

Correct wake forest info:

Top 10%: 89.9

Top 25%: 87.5

Top 50%: 85.2

Top 75%: 82.8

That means OP is in the bottom 20% neighborhood, tough break.


Thanks for the info

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby lishi » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:12 pm

Hurricane28 wrote:guess i can say see ya to landing a job in the private sector


I know TLS is all top 10% or bust, but I know people that did really poorly their first semester, but continued to improve over the rest of the semesters and got good jobs (and I don't go to a T14). Just accept the grades, go to your professors to see where you can improve, and work a little harder. Of course we all put in a big effort, but there are always ways we can improve ourselves. Just don't give up and stay motivated!!

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby Bankhead » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:19 pm

lishi wrote:
Hurricane28 wrote:guess i can say see ya to landing a job in the private sector


I know TLS is all top 10% or bust, but I know people that did really poorly their first semester, but continued to improve over the rest of the semesters and got good jobs (and I don't go to a T14). Just accept the grades, go to your professors to see where you can improve, and work a little harder. Of course we all put in a big effort, but there are always ways we can improve ourselves. Just don't give up and stay motivated!!


That's great. This is quite reassuring as I'm not expecting top grades. nor do I attend a T14.

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby FuturehoyaLawya » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:24 pm

lishi wrote:
Hurricane28 wrote:guess i can say see ya to landing a job in the private sector


I know TLS is all top 10% or bust, but I know people that did really poorly their first semester, but continued to improve over the rest of the semesters and got good jobs (and I don't go to a T14). Just accept the grades, go to your professors to see where you can improve, and work a little harder. Of course we all put in a big effort, but there are always ways we can improve ourselves. Just don't give up and stay motivated!!


don't you attend wake forest as well? and when you say really poorly do you mean below median?

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby orangeswarm » Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:56 am

thesealocust wrote:
ntzsch wrote:
thesealocust wrote:At Ohio State, an 81 is a B- average. 30% get As and 60% get Bs of some kind, which means your average probably puts you somewhere in the bottom third. Top 25% is a 92.2. If the average is 85, that means bottom 25% is probsbly something like 77.5, which would put you probably right at bottom 33%ish.

If you go to Colorado, your GPA would still be a b-, but their median is supposed to be 84. Either way you'd be looking at bottom 1/3-ish.

If you go to wake forest... they average to 73, so you're probably not at wake forest. If you were you'd be above median :P

Those are the only 3 T1 schools other than WUSTL that use numbers. I'd say best case scenario is bottom 40%, worst case scenario is bottom 20%.


should that mean anything to a prospective Wake Forest 1L?


Actually, I misread wake forest's info when researching the first time. Also, I looked at OPs post history. OP goes to Wake Forest :P

Wake Forest averages to an 85, and a 73 is required for good standing.

Correct wake forest info:

Top 10%: 89.9

Top 25%: 87.5

Top 50%: 85.2

Top 75%: 82.8

That means OP is in the bottom 20% neighborhood, tough break.



Please tell me you came up with this using more information than simply the median of the 1L grade distribution....

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby CE2JD » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:57 am

orangeswarm wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
ntzsch wrote:
thesealocust wrote:At Ohio State, an 81 is a B- average. 30% get As and 60% get Bs of some kind, which means your average probably puts you somewhere in the bottom third. Top 25% is a 92.2. If the average is 85, that means bottom 25% is probsbly something like 77.5, which would put you probably right at bottom 33%ish.

If you go to Colorado, your GPA would still be a b-, but their median is supposed to be 84. Either way you'd be looking at bottom 1/3-ish.

If you go to wake forest... they average to 73, so you're probably not at wake forest. If you were you'd be above median :P

Those are the only 3 T1 schools other than WUSTL that use numbers. I'd say best case scenario is bottom 40%, worst case scenario is bottom 20%.


should that mean anything to a prospective Wake Forest 1L?


Actually, I misread wake forest's info when researching the first time. Also, I looked at OPs post history. OP goes to Wake Forest :P

Wake Forest averages to an 85, and a 73 is required for good standing.

Correct wake forest info:

Top 10%: 89.9

Top 25%: 87.5

Top 50%: 85.2

Top 75%: 82.8

That means OP is in the bottom 20% neighborhood, tough break.



Please tell me you came up with this using more information than simply the median of the 1L grade distribution....


Go to:

http://www.nalplawschoolsonline.org/

Click on the "Quick Search" icon

Type in "wake forest"

Click on the "Wake Forest University School of Law" link that pops up below

Scroll down until you see this:

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby rayiner » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:16 pm

Space_Cowboy wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Hurricane28 wrote:no, but tier 1


No way to know without more of the scale, or a standard deviation. Given tight law school curves, probably well below median.

WUSTL uses a similar scale. There, 81 would be well into bottom third.


Out of curiosity, does the difference between an 81 average and an 85 average really justify the difference with which the grades are regarded by employers (bottom 20% vs. median)?


Remember that these numeric scales are just proxies for letter grades. It's not like the person with an 81 missed on average only 4 less more than the person with an 85. The scale is very compressed, with most people getting grades +/- 3 from the mean.

So the real question is whether there is really a measurable difference between bottom 20% and median exams. And I really think there is, in most classes, and especially over four classes averaged together.

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Re: How bad is an 81?

Postby kimber1028 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:30 pm

CE2JD wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
thesealocust wrote:At Ohio State, an 81 is a B- average. 30% get As and 60% get Bs of some kind, which means your average probably puts you somewhere in the bottom third. Top 25% is a 92.2. If the average is 85, that means bottom 25% is probsbly something like 77.5, which would put you probably right at bottom 33%ish.

If you go to Colorado, your GPA would still be a b-, but their median is supposed to be 84. Either way you'd be looking at bottom 1/3-ish.

If you go to wake forest... they average to 73, so you're probably not at wake forest. If you were you'd be above median :P

Those are the only 3 T1 schools other than WUSTL that use numbers. I'd say best case scenario is bottom 40%, worst case scenario is bottom 20%.


Actually, I misread wake forest's info when researching the first time. Also, I looked at OPs post history. OP goes to Wake Forest :P

Wake Forest averages to an 85, and a 73 is required for good standing.

Correct wake forest info:

Top 10%: 89.9

Top 25%: 87.5

Top 50%: 85.2

Top 75%: 82.8

That means OP is in the bottom 20% neighborhood, tough break.


Go to:

http://www.nalplawschoolsonline.org/



This is based on the graduating class, though. I don't know about WF specifically, but at my school, they relax the curve quite a bit 2L and 3L year. That results in the grade distribution (per the figures available to students here) being quite different for 1L and 3L students (1L median is a 2.9 and NALP graduating median is a 3.3). OP should probably check with the school for grade distribution info before he just resigns himself to being in the bottom 15-20%.




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