Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Snooker » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:06 pm

mallard wrote:
Snooker wrote:If I did awesome, I will go live the big and exciting life of a corporate attorney proof reading stock purchase agreements and reviewing documents 70 hours a week. If I am a failure, I will probably follow in the footsteps of Joe Jamail and live the less exciting life of a litigator, representing individual plaintiffs against the injustices of large companies, handling trials by myself and winning big cases.


I don't deny the existence of golden handcuffs, but as to your Joe Jamail plan - lol, good luck.


I hope you enjoyed the irony juxtaposing "failure" with "Joe Jamail".

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Snooker » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:10 pm

Blindmelon wrote:
Snooker wrote:
mallard wrote:Snooker is sounding a lot like the "we'll see if your Yale degree can save you when you're up against me in court!" types.


lol I never counted on it. I was only pointing out that there is a modest/low correlation between career success and law school grades. I know lots of attorneys who didn't do so well in law school who went on to be extremely successful. If you want a theoretical basis, there's around 20 important lawyering skills, ranging from legal analysis to negotiation to oral advocacy. Law exams largely test speed, legal reasoning, and problem solving, so hit only a small percentage of the important legal skills. Thus if your grades aren't totally on top, you shouldn't be in nervous breakdown mode, because there are lots of skills real lawyers use that aren't tested by them. I know TLS has a high-score-or-die mentality, but it's an elitist internet forum with the word "top" in its name. What do you expect? What I hear from real lawyers and law professors doesn't reflect the mentality I've encountered here. This topic has been discussed widely on the internet before, but law student forums seem to be the only place where people say you must have high grades or else are a failure.

@the interesting Yalie comment... I think Fordham does pretty well in NY. No need to bash the school. I am no fan of the school, but they graduate good lawyers. As for myself, I still don't know where I stand. If I did awesome, I will go live the big and exciting life of a corporate attorney proof reading stock purchase agreements and reviewing documents 70 hours a week. If I am a failure, I will probably follow in the footsteps of Joe Jamail and live the less exciting life of a litigator, representing individual plaintiffs against the injustices of large companies, handling trials by myself and winning big cases.


Meh. Look at any top firm... those from BU/BC/GW/ND/WUSTL/Fordham almost always have some sort of honors distinction and usually a LR or secondary journal board position. Grades may not predict long term success, but my god do they help within the first 10 or so years out.


Most people are gone by year 3 and most of their experience was document review. Lots of people go from smaller practices to big law because they think they can get real experience in the smaller practice.

if you are talking about biglaw, before the crash it used to be top 75% placement rate for NYU down through the top 11 or 12 schools, then from 12 to 16 top 60%, then schools at UCLA and below were seeing 25-30% reported from students. Things are a lot different now, a lot of those numbers are almost chopped in half.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby mallard » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:12 pm

Snooker wrote:
mallard wrote:
Snooker wrote:If I did awesome, I will go live the big and exciting life of a corporate attorney proof reading stock purchase agreements and reviewing documents 70 hours a week. If I am a failure, I will probably follow in the footsteps of Joe Jamail and live the less exciting life of a litigator, representing individual plaintiffs against the injustices of large companies, handling trials by myself and winning big cases.


I don't deny the existence of golden handcuffs, but as to your Joe Jamail plan - lol, good luck.


I hope you enjoyed the irony juxtaposing "failure" with "Joe Jamail".


Oh wow, you literary genius, I didn't understand that complicated trope the first time.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby postitnotes » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:54 pm

Cavalier wrote:Still only one grade
When does the suffering end?
Lazy professors...


Ditto....Also not motivated this semester. Haven't done much of anything yet besides watch tons of reality tv shows because I feel like last semester hasn't ended yet.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby thesealocust » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:50 pm

edit: n/m
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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby apper123 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:51 pm

betasteve wrote:Holy shitzzz... I'm hearing rumors that grades are being released here tomorrow afternoon. :shock: :shock: :shock:
I've already opened a beer.


You'll have to ban yourself.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby 98234872348 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:06 pm

betasteve wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
betasteve wrote:Holy shitzzz... I'm hearing rumors that grades are being released here tomorrow afternoon. :shock: :shock: :shock:
I've already opened a beer.


Brace for impact! If it goes well I assume TLS becomes lawless, and if it goes poorly I assume we're all banned ;) Good luck!

Ha! Thanks. If the grades don't show up, then all hell breaks loose.

Hell hath no fury like the drunken sheriff deprived of grades.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Esc » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:57 pm

Beta, if you get grades tomorrow and I don't, can I have your banhammer please?

I've decided that the first thing I do when I see a grade up is vomit. Then I'll look and see what it is.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby superserial » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:01 am

we just got a preemptive don't killselves E-mail from our contracts professor.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Leeroy Jenkins » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:03 am

superserial wrote:we just got a preemptive don't killselves E-mail from our contracts professor.

post it on tls

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby postitnotes » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:04 am

superserial wrote:we just got a preemptive don't killselves E-mail from our contracts professor.


haha

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Cavalier » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:04 am

Lxw wrote:
superserial wrote:we just got a preemptive don't killselves E-mail from our contracts professor.

post it on tls

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby 98234872348 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:05 am

Cavalier wrote:
Lxw wrote:
superserial wrote:we just got a preemptive don't killselves E-mail from our contracts professor.

post it on tls

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby superserial » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:07 am

I don't think that's a good idea.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby thesealocust » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:07 am

edit: n/m
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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby thesealocust » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:07 am

edit: n/m
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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby mallard » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:09 am

thesealocust / mistergoft / Cavalier / Lxw wrote:
superserial wrote:we just got a preemptive don't killselves E-mail from our contracts professor.
post it on tls
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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby omg » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:09 am

superserial wrote:I don't think that's a good idea.


It most definitely is.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Leeroy Jenkins » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:10 am

mallard wrote:
thesealocust / mistergoft / Cavalier / Lxw wrote:
superserial wrote:we just got a preemptive don't killselves E-mail from our contracts professor.
post it on tls

i saw that quote fail, mallard

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby 98234872348 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:18 am

mallard wrote:
thesealocust / mistergoft / Cavalier / Lxw wrote:
superserial wrote:we just got a preemptive don't killselves E-mail from our contracts professor.
post it on tls

Editing win.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby superserial » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:04 am

no killself necessary... yet.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby OperaSoprano » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:48 am

superserial wrote:no killself necessary... yet.


<3

I'm sorry I missed the prior edit. I sympathize, though; in our LRW class, we spent two hours going over all the mistakes in our long memos. Then, just prior to handing them back, we got some background info on a nonprofit that helps suicidal law students. Epic timing win, lol.

I feel like good news is coming today, though. Good news in Contracts. Please...

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby superserial » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:56 am

OperaSoprano wrote:
superserial wrote:no killself necessary... yet.


<3

I'm sorry I missed the prior edit. I sympathize, though; in our LRW class, we spent two hours going over all the mistakes in our long memos. Then, just prior to handing them back, we got some background info on a nonprofit that helps suicidal law students. Epic timing win, lol.

I feel like good news is coming today, though. Good news in Contracts. Please...


my grade is making me fiend for more grades.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby apper123 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:36 pm

i want my class rank :-(

*braces for impact from people who don't even have grades yet*

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:51 pm

A whole bunch of course evaluation just went up at UVA. A few more sections will get grades tonight or tomorrow.




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