Its not the grades... I didn't expect any better than median really (people are ridiculously smart here, and I bet a F-dom too, ugh). Thing is, I don't really find law interesting at all. Its sort of boring, and I tend to be a really social person which may not fit too well in the profession. I'm thinking of careers that would be more people focused, and well researching, writing and editing down the word count.OperaSoprano wrote:Don't say these things to me. Please don't. (I was thinking about a JD/MSW, but not because of my grades. Well, at least not yet because of my grades. Please, Contracts, please be something good!)Blindmelon wrote:
Yup. I did well, but got rocked in Torts which pulled my gpa down to a 3.3x.. no idea how that happened. Oh well, I hated that class anyway. I'm entertaining dropping out... but thats a different story.
Is the measuring/grading/curving getting to you? It's relentless, and it's the only thing I honestly dislike about law school. The material itself is fascinating to me, and I don't want to leave, but I find myself wondering what it would be like to be a therapist. A joint degree might be perfect. If there are no legal jobs out there, I want to have options, and I know you also want to do something in the public interest.
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There are plenty of niche areas in law that are people oriented...Employment, Wills & Estates, Family, blablablaBlindmelon wrote:Its not the grades... I didn't expect any better than median really (people are ridiculously smart here, and I bet a F-dom too, ugh). Thing is, I don't really find law interesting at all. Its sort of boring, and I tend to be a really social person which may not fit too well in the profession. I'm thinking of careers that would be more people focused, and well researching, writing and editing down the word count.
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I've got a question for anyone who has asked a prof. for a reference. Should you let him/her know your grade or do you just assume that he/she will take your invitation for a reference as giving him/her authorization to look up your grade?
Here's what's transpired so far, just in case you need more details.
Email from me: Hey prof X, can I list you as a ref. for job apps?
Reply from prof: Of course, I'd be glad to give you a good ref.
Reply from me: Thanks.
I did very well in this prof's class and would like it highlighted if this prof. gets a call from an employer, but I don't want to come off douchey by saying something like "Prof. X, I got a Y in your class FYI."
Also, I don't have many grades so there's no "trend" to leap out on my transcript. It's pretty barren right now.
Here's what's transpired so far, just in case you need more details.
Email from me: Hey prof X, can I list you as a ref. for job apps?
Reply from prof: Of course, I'd be glad to give you a good ref.
Reply from me: Thanks.
I did very well in this prof's class and would like it highlighted if this prof. gets a call from an employer, but I don't want to come off douchey by saying something like "Prof. X, I got a Y in your class FYI."
Also, I don't have many grades so there's no "trend" to leap out on my transcript. It's pretty barren right now.
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I don't understand this question. Profs who know you well enough to say they can give you a good ref probably know you well enough to have noticed which exam (and thus which grade) was yours.Hera wrote:I've got a question for anyone who has asked a prof. for a reference. Should you let him/her know your grade or do you just assume that he/she will take your invitation for a reference as giving him/her authorization to look up your grade?
Here's what's transpired so far, just in case you need more details.
Email from me: Hey prof X, can I list you as a ref. for job apps?
Reply from prof: Of course, I'd be glad to give you a good ref.
Reply from me: Thanks.
I asked a prof if I could use him as a reference and in his response he alluded to how well I did in the exam. This freaked me out because it was too vague to indicate what grade I had gotten and grades for that class hadn't been released yet.
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vanwinkle wrote:I don't understand this question. Profs who know you well enough to say they can give you a good ref probably know you well enough to have noticed which exam (and thus which grade) was yours.Hera wrote:I've got a question for anyone who has asked a prof. for a reference. Should you let him/her know your grade or do you just assume that he/she will take your invitation for a reference as giving him/her authorization to look up your grade?
Here's what's transpired so far, just in case you need more details.
Email from me: Hey prof X, can I list you as a ref. for job apps?
Reply from prof: Of course, I'd be glad to give you a good ref.
Reply from me: Thanks.
I asked a prof if I could use him as a reference and in his response he alluded to how well I did in the exam. This freaked me out because it was too vague to indicate what grade I had gotten and grades for that class hadn't been released yet.
My prof didn't make any comments about the exam. How do I know that the good reference language doesn't just mean he/she thought I was a generally nice, competent student? Maybe, I'm over thinking this.
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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs
no anonymous grading?vanwinkle wrote:I don't understand this question. Profs who know you well enough to say they can give you a good ref probably know you well enough to have noticed which exam (and thus which grade) was yours.Hera wrote:I've got a question for anyone who has asked a prof. for a reference. Should you let him/her know your grade or do you just assume that he/she will take your invitation for a reference as giving him/her authorization to look up your grade?
Here's what's transpired so far, just in case you need more details.
Email from me: Hey prof X, can I list you as a ref. for job apps?
Reply from prof: Of course, I'd be glad to give you a good ref.
Reply from me: Thanks.
I asked a prof if I could use him as a reference and in his response he alluded to how well I did in the exam. This freaked me out because it was too vague to indicate what grade I had gotten and grades for that class hadn't been released yet.
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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs
The professor should know your grade . . . they won't know which exam was yours, but I'm pretty sure they know what grade you received (after all, if they claim that class participation may make a mild difference in grade, they would have to know what grade you received on the exam)JPeavy44 wrote:no anonymous grading?vanwinkle wrote:I don't understand this question. Profs who know you well enough to say they can give you a good ref probably know you well enough to have noticed which exam (and thus which grade) was yours.Hera wrote:I've got a question for anyone who has asked a prof. for a reference. Should you let him/her know your grade or do you just assume that he/she will take your invitation for a reference as giving him/her authorization to look up your grade?
Here's what's transpired so far, just in case you need more details.
Email from me: Hey prof X, can I list you as a ref. for job apps?
Reply from prof: Of course, I'd be glad to give you a good ref.
Reply from me: Thanks.
I asked a prof if I could use him as a reference and in his response he alluded to how well I did in the exam. This freaked me out because it was too vague to indicate what grade I had gotten and grades for that class hadn't been released yet.
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Grading of exams should be done blind, but once all that grading is done, in order to put (exam grade + class participation = final grade) into play, they have to be able to look at what your score on the exam was after exam grading is finished.JPeavy44 wrote:no anonymous grading?
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I also assume that in order for professors to be able to go over exams with students at some point they have to know which exam is which.
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If your class didn't have any participation component for the final grade, should you still assume that your prof. either knows your grade or will look it up since you asked that prof. for a reference? Or do you have to ask to meet to discuss the exam?
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Blindmelon, are you an ENFP or ENFJ, by any chance? I don't think the law is boring, and I do like writing and research, but I also want a career that is people focused. The thought of you or Lxw actually dropping out makes me shiver, though. I want my JD, but part of me is also looking over my shoulder. The problem is that I want to do everything, and I don't have enough lifetimes.Blindmelon wrote:Its not the grades... I didn't expect any better than median really (people are ridiculously smart here, and I bet a F-dom too, ugh). Thing is, I don't really find law interesting at all. Its sort of boring, and I tend to be a really social person which may not fit too well in the profession. I'm thinking of careers that would be more people focused, and well researching, writing and editing down the word count.OperaSoprano wrote:Don't say these things to me. Please don't. (I was thinking about a JD/MSW, but not because of my grades. Well, at least not yet because of my grades. Please, Contracts, please be something good!)Blindmelon wrote:
Yup. I did well, but got rocked in Torts which pulled my gpa down to a 3.3x.. no idea how that happened. Oh well, I hated that class anyway. I'm entertaining dropping out... but thats a different story.
Is the measuring/grading/curving getting to you? It's relentless, and it's the only thing I honestly dislike about law school. The material itself is fascinating to me, and I don't want to leave, but I find myself wondering what it would be like to be a therapist. A joint degree might be perfect. If there are no legal jobs out there, I want to have options, and I know you also want to do something in the public interest.
...and I assume you know you need to include yourself in the ridiculously smart camp. BU didn't give you the scholarship of epic win for nothing.
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I wonder if my Crim Law professor asked about me. Probably not. I'm not that special.thesealocust wrote:I've heard anecdotes of profs who don't check at all, or only ask to see the students they plan to bump, or only ask for the names of students who got As. Definitely not a safe assumption.Hera wrote:If your class didn't have any participation component for the final grade, should you still assume that your prof. either knows your grade or will look it up since you asked that prof. for a reference? Or do you have to ask to meet to discuss the exam?
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thesealocust wrote:I've heard anecdotes of profs who don't check at all, or only ask to see the students they plan to bump, or only ask for the names of students who got As. Definitely not a safe assumption.Hera wrote:If your class didn't have any participation component for the final grade, should you still assume that your prof. either knows your grade or will look it up since you asked that prof. for a reference? Or do you have to ask to meet to discuss the exam?
Thanks thesealocust.
Now just have to find a tactful, non-douchey way of informing/reminding my prof. of the grade.
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Tired. What a week it's been! A family emergency, then the earthquake, then my long memo of epic fail, then hosting a party for about two dozen people. Still waiting on Contracts. Still dealing with boy stuff. Still wondering whether I'd make a better psychotherapist than a lawyer. Can't I do both?thesealocust wrote:What's up captain self esteem! How've you been ?OperaSoprano wrote:I wonder if my Crim Law professor asked about me. Probably not. I'm not that special.thesealocust wrote:I've heard anecdotes of profs who don't check at all, or only ask to see the students they plan to bump, or only ask for the names of students who got As. Definitely not a safe assumption.Hera wrote:If your class didn't have any participation component for the final grade, should you still assume that your prof. either knows your grade or will look it up since you asked that prof. for a reference? Or do you have to ask to meet to discuss the exam?
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I always include a grade transcript + resume with any request for an academic LoR.Hera wrote:thesealocust wrote:I've heard anecdotes of profs who don't check at all, or only ask to see the students they plan to bump, or only ask for the names of students who got As. Definitely not a safe assumption.Hera wrote:If your class didn't have any participation component for the final grade, should you still assume that your prof. either knows your grade or will look it up since you asked that prof. for a reference? Or do you have to ask to meet to discuss the exam?
Thanks thesealocust.
Now just have to find a tactful, non-douchey way of informing/reminding my prof. of the grade.
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Thanks apper123. I hadn't planned to do that since I wasn't actually asking the prof. to write a letter of recommendation but this is a very a good idea. Thanks again.apper123 wrote:I always include a grade transcript + resume with any request for an academic LoR.Hera wrote:thesealocust wrote:I've heard anecdotes of profs who don't check at all, or only ask to see the students they plan to bump, or only ask for the names of students who got As. Definitely not a safe assumption.Hera wrote:If your class didn't have any participation component for the final grade, should you still assume that your prof. either knows your grade or will look it up since you asked that prof. for a reference? Or do you have to ask to meet to discuss the exam?
Thanks thesealocust.
Now just have to find a tactful, non-douchey way of informing/reminding my prof. of the grade.
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hang in there you guys. The curving thing is pretty vile, I agree, and remember that neither your professional worth or personal worth is measured in those grades. Some people like to think so, but they are full of it. Once you get out there and start representing clients, and start winning cases (or making deals), I think you will recognize this. A single mistake on a memo today in the long run is irrelevant, because you're a novice and when you get better, all of your memos will be good. Really, law exams only test 1 skill, and there are 20 important lawyer skills. It's not the end of the world that you made a mistake here or slightly underperformed when compared to T30 law students there.OperaSoprano wrote:Blindmelon, are you an ENFP or ENFJ, by any chance? I don't think the law is boring, and I do like writing and research, but I also want a career that is people focused. The thought of you or Lxw actually dropping out makes me shiver, though. I want my JD, but part of me is also looking over my shoulder. The problem is that I want to do everything, and I don't have enough lifetimes.Blindmelon wrote:Its not the grades... I didn't expect any better than median really (people are ridiculously smart here, and I bet a F-dom too, ugh). Thing is, I don't really find law interesting at all. Its sort of boring, and I tend to be a really social person which may not fit too well in the profession. I'm thinking of careers that would be more people focused, and well researching, writing and editing down the word count.OperaSoprano wrote:Don't say these things to me. Please don't. (I was thinking about a JD/MSW, but not because of my grades. Well, at least not yet because of my grades. Please, Contracts, please be something good!)Blindmelon wrote:
Yup. I did well, but got rocked in Torts which pulled my gpa down to a 3.3x.. no idea how that happened. Oh well, I hated that class anyway. I'm entertaining dropping out... but thats a different story.
Is the measuring/grading/curving getting to you? It's relentless, and it's the only thing I honestly dislike about law school. The material itself is fascinating to me, and I don't want to leave, but I find myself wondering what it would be like to be a therapist. A joint degree might be perfect. If there are no legal jobs out there, I want to have options, and I know you also want to do something in the public interest.
...and I assume you know you need to include yourself in the ridiculously smart camp. BU didn't give you the scholarship of epic win for nothing.
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Anyways, I figured I'd tell you guys...I'm not dropping out of lawl school
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Good to hear! Wish you the best of luck with it.Lxw wrote:Anyways, I figured I'd tell you guys...I'm not dropping out of lawl school
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I'm not really in the bottom half of my class either
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Lxw wrote:I'm not really in the bottom half of my class either
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
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