Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby caoyun » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:34 pm

postitnotes wrote:I still need 2 more grades....arghhhhhhhhhh.


I still need 4 more grades....arghhhhhhhhhhh.


And the Jets to put up another.. I don't know, two dozen points against the Chargers.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby 98234872348 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:03 pm

rayiner wrote:
betasteve wrote:
rayiner wrote:
betasteve wrote:Banning is imminent.


For who?

Everyone, but mostly Snooker.


Is being a giant dork a bannable offense?

If this were true, this site would have substantially less members.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby thesealocust » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:07 pm

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby thegrandinquisitor » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:10 pm

MadameX, A or B?

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby ugchicago » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:11 pm

betasteve wrote:Most of my profs said you'd be awarded no points for citing to cases (K's is the exception).


I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. :D

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Postby Esc » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:18 pm

ugchicago wrote:
betasteve wrote:Most of my profs said you'd be awarded no points for citing to cases (K's is the exception).


I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. :D


My Con Law prof wanted citations (and individual justices' names) but my Prop and CrimLaw profs didn't mention it. I threw some in anyway in a desperate bid to escape being medianpwnt.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby 98234872348 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:00 pm

thesealocust wrote:
mistergoft wrote:
rayiner wrote:Is being a giant dork a bannable offense?

If this were true, this site would have substantially less members.


SUBSTANTIALLY FEWER LololoLlolOl gramamr fail!11!!

Law school has decimated my ability to speak in grammatically correct sentences, sorry.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby caoyun » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:04 pm

caoyun wrote:
postitnotes wrote:I still need 2 more grades....arghhhhhhhhhh.


I still need 4 more grades....arghhhhhhhhhhh.


And the Jets to put up another.. I don't know, two dozen points against the Chargers.


Well, the Jets helped me out. Still don't have any grades though. Damn you, Penn.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby mallard » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:09 pm

caoyun wrote:And the Jets to put up another.. I don't know, two dozen points against the Chargers.


Hahahaha.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Cavalier » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:12 pm

Well, now I don't have football to keep my off the computer any more. Back to refreshing the grades website...

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby apper123 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:31 pm

Our school curves to a "mode grade" of 3.0. The last graduating class has a median GPA of 3.22. The 1L class at the end of last year had a median GPA of 3.17. ????

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby thesealocust » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:07 pm

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby caoyun » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:08 pm

apper123 wrote:Our school curves to a "mode grade" of 3.0. The last graduating class has a median GPA of 3.22. The 1L class at the end of last year had a median GPA of 3.17. ????


Who bothers with Mode? That is by far the most useless statistic of the three for the purposes of class grading (considering median and mean, as well).

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Postby omg » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:10 pm

thesealocust wrote:
apper123 wrote:Our school curves to a "mode grade" of 3.0. The last graduating class has a median GPA of 3.22. The 1L class at the end of last year had a median GPA of 3.17. ????


*face palm*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics

Median != mode. For convenience, mean ~= median in large data shapes around a center point like grades. At a school like UVA, mean, median, and mode likely all equal 3.3 since profs tend to give out B+s like candy.

But it would be pretty simple to imagine a distribution that yielded a mode of 3.0 in each class (that is, more Bs given out than any other grade) but has a much higher median.

A bad but sound example:

B-: 10%
B: 30%
B+: 25%
A-: 20%
A: 15%

'B' would be the mode grade, but median and mean would be substantially higher.



geez louise, sealocust. i'm sure he already knew what "median" and "mode" mean but was just surprised about the spread of GPA's he has seen...

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby apper123 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:12 pm

omg wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
apper123 wrote:Our school curves to a "mode grade" of 3.0. The last graduating class has a median GPA of 3.22. The 1L class at the end of last year had a median GPA of 3.17. ????


*face palm*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics

Median != mode. For convenience, mean ~= median in large data shapes around a center point like grades. At a school like UVA, mean, median, and mode likely all equal 3.3 since profs tend to give out B+s like candy.

But it would be pretty simple to imagine a distribution that yielded a mode of 3.0 in each class (that is, more Bs given out than any other grade) but has a much higher median.

A bad but sound example:

B-: 10%
B: 30%
B+: 25%
A-: 20%
A: 15%

'B' would be the mode grade, but median and mean would be substantially higher.



geez louise, sealocust. i'm sure he already knew what "median" and "mode" mean but was just surprised about the spread of GPA's he has seen...



Yeah what he said ^. That said, if it was a normal distribution, mode and mean should be the same, but they obviously are not (since it's not a normal distribution).

What confuses me, however, is I've seen the grade dist. for a few classes, and the mode grade has most certainly NOT been a B.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Blindmelon » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:21 pm

Really dumb question... but I'm a stats idiot.... so given the grade distribution below...

A+ 0-5%
A+, A, A- 20-30% (A+ subject to 5% limitation above)
B+ and above 40-60% (subject to limitations on A range above)
B 10-50% (subject to limitations above and below)
B- and below 10-30% (subject to limitations below on ranges C+ and below)
C+ and below 0-10%
D, F 0-5%

A B+ is the median right because 40-60% need to be B+ or above, and only 20-30% can get in the A range? So does it turn out (typically) that an overall GPA of a 3.3 puts you smack in the center of the class?

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:25 pm

Blindmelon wrote:Really dumb question... but I'm a stats idiot.... so given the grade distribution below...

A+ 0-5%
A+, A, A- 20-30% (A+ subject to 5% limitation above)
B+ and above 40-60% (subject to limitations on A range above)
B 10-50% (subject to limitations above and below)
B- and below 10-30% (subject to limitations below on ranges C+ and below)
C+ and below 0-10%
D, F 0-5%

A B+ is the median right because 40-60% need to be B+ or above, and only 20-30% can get in the A range? So does it turn out (typically) that an overall GPA of a 3.3 puts you smack in the center of the class?


You're allowed up to 30% A range grades? Where is the jealous emoticon?

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Blindmelon » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:28 pm

Don't be jealous. It didn't really help me out... that 3.3 I was asking about... is for a friend... lets call him "sightedmelon" or something.

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Postby thesealocust » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:42 pm

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:50 pm

Blindmelon wrote:Don't be jealous. It didn't really help me out... that 3.3 I was asking about... is for a friend... lets call him "sightedmelon" or something.


Thesealocust might be right, especially since we curve to 3.19. A 3.3 here is not bad at all, since top 10% is 3.57.

Sending hugs. Grades just plain suck. (I got long memo-pwned, which is technically only 30% of a grade, but still.)

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Blindmelon » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:51 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:Don't be jealous. It didn't really help me out... that 3.3 I was asking about... is for a friend... lets call him "sightedmelon" or something.


Thesealocust might be right, especially since we curve to 3.19. A 3.3 here is not bad at all, since top 10% is 3.57.

Sending hugs. Grades just plain suck. (I got long memo-pwned, which is technically only 30% of a grade, but still.)


Wow. Our curve is much more generous. A 3.5 is top 1/3rd here.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:57 pm

Blindmelon wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:Don't be jealous. It didn't really help me out... that 3.3 I was asking about... is for a friend... lets call him "sightedmelon" or something.


Thesealocust might be right, especially since we curve to 3.19. A 3.3 here is not bad at all, since top 10% is 3.57.

Sending hugs. Grades just plain suck. (I got long memo-pwned, which is technically only 30% of a grade, but still.)


Wow. Our curve is much more generous. A 3.5 is top 1/3rd here.


:shock: Jealous emoticon again needed.

Do you have all of them, though? I'm still waiting on Contracts.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Blindmelon » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:59 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:Don't be jealous. It didn't really help me out... that 3.3 I was asking about... is for a friend... lets call him "sightedmelon" or something.


Thesealocust might be right, especially since we curve to 3.19. A 3.3 here is not bad at all, since top 10% is 3.57.

Sending hugs. Grades just plain suck. (I got long memo-pwned, which is technically only 30% of a grade, but still.)


Wow. Our curve is much more generous. A 3.5 is top 1/3rd here.


:shock: Jealous emoticon again needed.

Do you have all of them, though? I'm still waiting on Contracts.


Yup. I did well, but got rocked in Torts which pulled my gpa down to a 3.3x.. no idea how that happened. Oh well, I hated that class anyway. I'm entertaining dropping out... but thats a different story.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:07 pm

Blindmelon wrote:
Yup. I did well, but got rocked in Torts which pulled my gpa down to a 3.3x.. no idea how that happened. Oh well, I hated that class anyway. I'm entertaining dropping out... but thats a different story.


Don't say these things to me. Please don't. (I was thinking about a JD/MSW, but not because of my grades. Well, at least not yet because of my grades. Please, Contracts, please be something good!)

Is the measuring/grading/curving getting to you? It's relentless, and it's the only thing I honestly dislike about law school. The material itself is fascinating to me, and I don't want to leave, but I find myself wondering what it would be like to be a therapist. A joint degree might be perfect. If there are no legal jobs out there, I want to have options, and I know you also want to do something in the public interest.

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Re: Waiting for 1L grades...so much worse than waiting for LSATs

Postby Leeroy Jenkins » Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:09 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:Yup. I did well, but got rocked in Torts which pulled my gpa down to a 3.3x.. no idea how that happened. Oh well, I hated that class anyway. I'm entertaining dropping out... but thats a different story.

Don't say these things to me. Please don't.

we all gunna drop out OS!




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