University of Arizona class of 2014

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby cool of law » Fri May 06, 2011 1:11 am

Anyone looking for a roommate?

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby cool of law » Fri May 06, 2011 12:22 pm

sab0tage wrote:
cool of law wrote:
sab0tage wrote:I am gonna be there. I referenced tls at least one at the deans reception thing because I'm cool like that.


well done sir, are you an AZ native?


Yep. raised in tucson, live in phoenix now though. U?

Also, I am certain I am better than all of you and that I will be top of the class.
Taking questions.



That said, at such an intimate College, camaraderie tends to outweigh competition.

“Here, it’s not so competitive,” explains Daniel Klopper, 23, who also attended the University of Arizona as an undergrad, and will earn his law degree in 2012. “People are smart, but you don’t feel like you’re dying from the competitive atmosphere.”


There goes that theory... jk

Hey Sab0tage, since you already called top of the class, can I be second? I can deal with top 1.333% instead of top .666%

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby ColomboHeat » Fri May 06, 2011 2:24 pm

you know, I thought this was interesting. to paraphrase a small group of 1Ls/2Ls that I met during the preview weekend, I was told in so many words that those students just try to figure out what is necessary to write the quintessential middle-of-the-road B final per the professor's expectations and the class's grading distribution... and once they have that locked in mind they can chill out. I have no experience with a school environment graded on a curve, but this strategy made sense to me.

I listened to a fairly balanced discussion over whether or not "writing for the A" was really worth it in in respects to spending that extra study time exploring law-related activities or just otherwise enjoying life. the majority opinion seemed to be that in most cases, the answer was No.

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby david787 » Tue May 10, 2011 12:08 pm

That almost makes me think that if someone was truly motivated to do well (get A's), they would have less of a challenge than other schools since the majority of students aren't very competitive.

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby WhiteCochran » Tue May 10, 2011 7:33 pm

cool of law wrote: Substantively, I'm going with the mantra: "Better to have a job in AZ than be unemployed at the beach in SD"

Agreed. This is pretty much why I couldn't bring myself to deposit at USD.

seaboot wrote:
WhiteCochran wrote:
seaboot wrote:I'm there. Doesn't seem like UA is full of TLS'ers.

Strange, because at the ASD I heard more than one person reference TLS...

+1. Then again, no one is listed as "attending" on LSN either. UofA admits = super secretive? (or maybe super indecisive like me?)


Officially attending on LSN (first one?). I think I was sitting with you during the ASD breakfast if you're from Fresno and you were the guy who had some car trouble on the trip out. Are you set on UA or are you still working that one out?

I am in fact that guy! (Correct me if I'm wrong, are you the Tucson native guy?)

Yeah unfortunately I just recently reverted back to choosing between UofA and Hastings. I might wind up having a room available in the East Bay that I could rent for cheap (i.e. significantly less than the $1200/mo for a studio in the Tower), which would go a long way towards alleviating the COL/debt issues I have with Hastings. If it doesn't materialize (and there are additional secondary "ifs" there that would have to materialize as well), I'm going with UofA (TLS polls be damned!)

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby Lawquacious » Wed May 11, 2011 1:51 am

ColomboHeat wrote:you know, I thought this was interesting. to paraphrase a small group of 1Ls/2Ls that I met during the preview weekend, I was told in so many words that those students just try to figure out what is necessary to write the quintessential middle-of-the-road B final per the professor's expectations and the class's grading distribution... and once they have that locked in mind they can chill out. I have no experience with a school environment graded on a curve, but this strategy made sense to me.

I listened to a fairly balanced discussion over whether or not "writing for the A" was really worth it in in respects to spending that extra study time exploring law-related activities or just otherwise enjoying life. the majority opinion seemed to be that in most cases, the answer was No.



Our grading system is changing this coming academic year: gone will be the days of only solid letter grades. The school is adding +/-. Now it will matter if you scrape by with a B- (2.6) or hit the high end of the range (B+; 3.4). No longer will 60% of students end up with the same exact grade (B; 3.0) in each individual class. I think it is DEFINITELY a good thing, but at least one prof I spoke with about it thinks it will make U of AZ a more competitive atmosphere (many students supposedly resign themselves to Bs under the current system, which I think you were getting at; I don't know that the resignation theory is actually true though- I think most students obviously at least hope to break some As and do work as hard as they can).

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby ColomboHeat » Wed May 11, 2011 3:56 pm

that is very good to know, Lawquacious. I heard mention of +/- grading at one of the admissions events, but nothing concrete. as long as the present student body is optimistic that the new system is going to reward genuine effort, I don't see a reason not to be on board. my impression from this site is that most other schools already incorporate +/- grading.


edit: is there also an A- with a 3.6 GPA weight or something like that in the new distribution?

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby Lawquacious » Wed May 11, 2011 4:50 pm

ColomboHeat wrote:that is very good to know, Lawquacious. I heard mention of +/- grading at one of the admissions events, but nothing concrete. as long as the present student body is optimistic that the new system is going to reward genuine effort, I don't see a reason not to be on board. my impression from this site is that most other schools already incorporate +/- grading.


edit: is there also an A- with a 3.6 GPA weight or something like that in the new distribution?



Yeah, I think it will apply across the full spectrum (don't know if there will be A+ though), and I imagine that the GPA weights will be standard. Not positive though. Not even totally positive the change will occur, though school officials have indicated that it will.

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby cool of law » Wed May 11, 2011 5:09 pm

Upon first reading about this +/- news it seemed like a downer. But now I agree that it will really just award those who work harder (although hard work =/= good grades, always). In the end will most likely NOT change many people's GPAs. Also, it will give students a chance to bolster their academic resume while keeping a similar GPA. Hear me out, if you get 4 B's it translates to a 3.0, if you get 2 B+'s and 2 B-'s it will also be a 3.0, but can emphasize that you excelled (sort of, top ~40-50% rather than top ~70-80%) in two classes.

lawquacious, what is the gpa curve, or the old curve? some friends had mentioned 30% A, 60% B, 10% CDF

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby ColomboHeat » Wed May 11, 2011 5:43 pm

it seems like the number who get "full" A's will be drastically cut down if you can now get A-'s and B+'s.

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby cool of law » Wed May 11, 2011 5:57 pm

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby Lawquacious » Wed May 11, 2011 5:59 pm

cool of law wrote:Upon first reading about this +/- news it seemed like a downer. But now I agree that it will really just award those who work harder (although hard work =/= good grades, always). In the end will most likely NOT change many people's GPAs. Also, it will give students a chance to bolster their academic resume while keeping a similar GPA. Hear me out, if you get 4 B's it translates to a 3.0, if you get 2 B+'s and 2 B-'s it will also be a 3.0, but can emphasize that you excelled (sort of, top ~40-50% rather than top ~70-80%) in two classes.

lawquacious, what is the gpa curve, or the old curve? some friends had mentioned 30% A, 60% B, 10% CDF


Yes, that is what the curve for individual classes was changed to this year (last year it was 25% A). But the overall GPA curve in terms of class percentage a person falls in is something separate and is determined at the end of the first year (for 1Ls). That is where "rank" comes in. Generally in past years top 10% was around 3.7 (but maybe will be slightly higher this year with the 30% As). I think top 25% has been around 3.5, and median around 3.2. It does flux by semester or year though, because there is a 2.5% margin of error that profs are allowed to use in who gets what grade (i.e. for this year a prof could give 27.5% As even though the gen recommended distribution is 30%). It is a fairly generous curve IMO in terms of letter grades, but percentage rank of course evens the playing field (though being able to put a higher GPA number on the resume of course is nice; I heard they increased to 30% in part to inflate the grades to an equal level as ASU). These traditional cut-off approximations may well be affected by the new system next year though depending on exactly what is involved with the change.

In terms of whether ppls GPAs are likely to stay the same with the change next year, I think on the whole it is probably true they will not be greatly affected. But I also think with the current system it is quite possible that someone with all Bs ended up very close to A range on several tests (with the other tests falling solidly in B range) in which which case they could see a considerable boost under the new system. A similar scenario could apply to someone who happened to fall more on the A- side for a number of classes etc. In general, things prob are evened out, but the increased specificity hopefully will reduce the chances of injustice at the margins. IDK, the fuzzy grading may have helped me on the whole last semester, but I still think the solid letter grades only are pretty bogus. There are other issues of fairness that of course can come up with grading (for instance, fundamentally, whether a 3 hour test should determine 4 credits), but that is a different story.
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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby ColomboHeat » Wed May 11, 2011 6:00 pm

current system posted on their website:

http://www.law.arizona.edu/current_students/student_handbook/grading_system.cfm

the page was last updated: 12/03/2010

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby Lawquacious » Wed May 11, 2011 6:01 pm

cool of law wrote:
ColomboHeat wrote:it seems like the number who get "full" A's will be drastically cut down if you can now get A-'s and B+'s.


Very true. I wonder if they will adjust for this, now that at least 1/3 of those formally getting 4.0's will now be getting (assuming the top 30% gets A's, I still need to fact check that, lawquacious?) 3.4s instead of 4.0s in each class.


IDK if they will keep it at 30% or not. Perhaps they will allow 4.4 A+s to balance the 3.6 A-s (in terms of A range GPAs), but I don't know about how they plan to do that.

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby cool of law » Wed May 11, 2011 6:08 pm

hey lawquacious, did you use any supplements? E&E, LEEWS, professional outlines, etc?

i remember from our PMs that you were gunneresque/T14 material...
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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby cool of law » Wed May 11, 2011 6:09 pm

btw, colombo, did you join the facebook group?

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby Lawquacious » Wed May 11, 2011 6:21 pm

cool of law wrote:hey lawquacious, did you use any supplements? E&E, LEEWS, professional outlines, etc?

i remember from our PMs that you were gunneresque/T14 material...

:lol:

I'm still hoping to have a shot at T14 transfer, but the way I feel exams are going this semester I think it is prob going to be a pretty long shot. U of Az is a pretty solid school though IMO, especially if you are on in-state tuition or can get some scholly money.

I personally am not a big fan of supplements. I got a ton of them 1st semester, but I really feel that sticking to the class materials is what works best (at least for me). Though, OTOH, last semester we had only three graded substantive classes (12 credits; we also had 2 ungraded classes), whereas this semester we have 16 credits (including 4 substantive classes). So I feel like I was able to go more into the details of the course material last semester, which, for the most part, seemed to pay off fairly well for me.

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby ColomboHeat » Wed May 11, 2011 6:26 pm

Lawquacious wrote:I'm still hoping to have a shot at T14 transfer... U of Az is a pretty solid school though IMO...



is this just due to aspirations for better employment opportunities? if not, what else do you think you would encounter in a T14 program that is absent at Arizona?


and yes, I am in the FB group. shit's just not official until the FB group.

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby azcactus14 » Mon May 16, 2011 3:28 pm

Lawquacious, any update on the +/- switch and whether or not this is going through for the law school? I know they had proposed a similar change to main campus a few months ago and it was summarily rejected by undergrads.

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby dtl » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:11 pm

Got off the wait list on Thursday and drove the eight hours from la over this last weekend to scope everything out. I am currentlyy hurtling back on the 10 back towards la and have some interesting choices to make.

First I looked all over for a nice looking apprtmnt and after much research found a couple nice places about ten minutes north of the school. One that I was particularly impressed with was called mission palms or something similar I checked south and east of the school nd was generally unimpressed although the sam Hughes area was nice albeit much older. Does anyone local or in my position have any suggestions as for where to rent? My budget is around 700 at the top end if utilities are not included.

As for the law school I was very impressed. Even walking in on a random Sunday a very nice librarian named Brent took. Me and my folks o n a tour of the entire facility despite the fact that it was all closed and locked (who knew librarians have the skeleton key). Overall I was very impressed with the facilities especially considering the low number of students it has to cater to.

Anyways I am quite excited! I think I am pretty much set on here unless uc irvine decides to admit me off their wl (which they have all but told me outright is not going to h appen)

Any other admits still lurking in this very dead thread?

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby cool of law » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:38 pm

dtl wrote:Got off the wait list on Thursday and drove the eight hours from la over this last weekend to scope everything out. I am currentlyy hurtling back on the 10 back towards la and have some interesting choices to make.

First I looked all over for a nice looking apprtmnt and after much research found a couple nice places about ten minutes north of the school. One that I was particularly impressed with was called mission palms or something similar I checked south and east of the school nd was generally unimpressed although the sam Hughes area was nice albeit much older. Does anyone local or in my position have any suggestions as for where to rent? My budget is around 700 at the top end if utilities are not included.

As for the law school I was very impressed. Even walking in on a random Sunday a very nice librarian named Brent took. Me and my folks o n a tour of the entire facility despite the fact that it was all closed and locked (who knew librarians have the skeleton key). Overall I was very impressed with the facilities especially considering the low number of students it has to cater to.

Anyways I am quite excited! I think I am pretty much set on here unless uc irvine decides to admit me off their wl (which they have all but told me outright is not going to h appen)

Any other admits still lurking in this very dead thread?


DTL, I may have a place for you to rent in tucson right by the law school. PM me if you get the chance, im also in LA right now too

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Re: University of Arizona class of 2014

Postby brickman » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:32 pm

Incoming 1L at William and Mary. I have a request of some kind-hearted Arizona student.

Cynthia Ward is teaching Criminal Law at my school this year, but she doesn't have many exams on record. I was hoping that you could dig up some PDF's of her old exams from your password protected bank.

Cynthia Ward was an Associate Professor at Arizona back in the day, so there may even be some old hard copies (could you scan them?- I would be endlessly appreciative)

If any of your professors have ever taught at W&M, I'd be glad to do the same, but at this moment, this is just a request from some kind hearted individuals.

please PM me when you scrounge up some of her exams.

Thanks a million!




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