I accepted Rutgers' offer today. New York kid, but very excited to get in to this school. Seems to do as well as any of the local regional law schools around here for a lot less money. (St. John's)
Excited? Why? To attend a mediocre TTT school located in a filthy, impoverished, dangerous ghetto? You guys know that the school is a NJ "public" building, right? This means that in the winter, the homeless crackheads use the library and common areas as places to get warm. Often they urinate & even defecate right in the library, as well as steal laptops and anything else that ain't nailed down.
The job market in NJ is, in a word, abysmal. McCarter has cancelled it's summer program 2 years in a row, Lowenstein is still laying off associates, and NJ Legal Aid just went thru massive cuts (1/4 of lawyers laid off). NJ AG's office offers a salary of 0 dollars. Here are the links:http://blogs.findlaw.com/strategist/200 ... teers.html
andhttp://articles.philly.com/2010-08-14/n ... ewer-cases
I feel such a depressing sense of bemusement watching you guys on the PATH train with your lame casebooks and study guides all marked up with highlighter. The legal market is dead, kids. Doc review jobs that require experience are paying $27 an hour:http://www.hirecounsel.com/jobs_search_ ... php?id=972
Sadly, by the time you guys get admitted to the Bar these crappy temp jobs (what's left of them) will have been outsourced to India and other 3rd world countries. Maybe you can grab a gig here:http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/lgl/2437360405.html
One thing you can def. forget is any kind of "midlaw." Those places are looking for laterals with 5+ years of niche experience or ex-Biglaw/Ivy league types, or those with large books of portable business. Best you guys could hope for is a gig at Wilson Elser, a notorious insurance defense boiler room that requires NYC Biglaw hours for about one third a Biglaw salary. This work is mindless cut n' paste, mostly Allstate insurance cases trying to screw injured people out of cashing in their pissant 25 K insurance policy for a herniated disc. Turnover is high, most kids don't even last 6 months at that dump.
Understand that law was "career" of yesterday. For all but a tiny, chosen few in Biglaw, the industry as a whole pays very, very poorly. The supply/demand metrics are so out of whack it's downright comical. Why would any rational person aspire to join the ranks of the indebted and unemployed? As a small firm partner, let me tell you that we know better than anyone the desperation and struggling out there, and lowball the living piss out of the recently admitted grads we hire to cut & paste our motions and such together. We just got a recent R-N grad to do 5 hours of research and write a pretty nice 14 page brief for a whopping $150. When we run craiglists ads looking for newbies, we never get less than 75-100 resumes within a few hours. Many of them even offer to work for free to get some much needed "experience." I always tell them that the rates we offer are totally non-negotiable. You have zero leverage coming out of a TTT school, since an endless supply of you guys get churned out by the truckload each and every year.
Hell, I barely make a living myself and am in the process of getting out of law for good ASAP. You have to make really, really top dollar to make putting up with this festering gutter of an industry even close to being worth it.
Just open up your local Yellow Pages and count the teeming hordes of lawyers under-bidding each other to get your DWI or dog bite or draft your will. Take a look a what pathetic, bottom-feeding losers they are, and ask yourself if that's really how you want to end up? Your admission to R-N (and bragging about same) really shows how unsuited you are for the legal industry. Most of you would be better off just taking a service sector job now (truck driving, bartending, etc) or possibly learn a useful trade like plumbing or HVAC/electrical work. Why in the name of God would you aspire to enter a rapidly declining industry which is widely acknowledged to be almost impossible to find paying work in, an industry virtually guaranteed to be in exponentially worse shape by the time you gradaute. Think about it.
So, from a quick look at your profile, it seems your only reason for being on TLS is to troll about Rutgers and maybe Seton Hall. Rutgers is Tier 2, but a TTT? Really? It's a state school with relatively reasonable tuition, not a $40K per year for profit diploma mill. Also, it makes a point of trying to draw in a diverse student body - of the 13 schools to which I applied, it's the only one that asked if I wanted to be considered based on my LSAT/GPA or soft factors. Those people being admitted with lower numbers I'm guessing bring down the medians, which hurts RU's place in the rankings, a least a little.
And yes, the job market sucks - everywhere. If one wants to be a lawyer, not just pick some random career to get rich, well, there are far worse choices people can make at this level. Frankly, we're not going to RU because we like it better than Yale - we can't get into a T14 school. For a Tier 2, I think it's one of the best regional choices. I couldn't get into Tier 1 because I was unwilling to leave the Northeast and my undergrad GPA blows, for a bunch of reasons that don't have to do with my intelligence or aptitude. Not everyone can do Tier 1, and not everyone in Tier 2 is a moron.
Oh, hey, Newark is a big gritty city? Nooooo way! I mean, anyone with a touch of street smarts doesn't leave a laptop unattended. I don't know that I believe the bit about the pooping homeless. I've had to show ID every time I've entered the building, so I'm wondering how long ago this supposedly occurred. I've heard that security used to be more lax than it is now.
You sound really bitter, and I'm sorry that you apparently have had a bad career. So, uh, where did you go? Where did you rank in your class? That says a lot too about how much your experience reflects reality for most of us. I don't expect everything to be just perfect and to be making a ton of money and I realize that I will work my ass off and not be guaranteed a job right out of school. I know it's a risk and I know it's a tough economy. But there are so many other schools that make for better targets - New York Law School, Seton Hall, St. John's. Why not warn those kids about falling into $200K debt for a subpar school?
Well said, again. This is horses***. I've seen less ancedtoal evidence and flawed methods of reasoning on the LSAT. Just some Ivy League mouth with nothing better to do.. or worse...