BU Class of 2014

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby dakatz » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:05 am

Hey I was thinking about setting up a bar night in NYC this next weekend so that the incoming 1Ls in the area get a chance to meet one another. PM me with any interest and I will keel you posted

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby DevilDaze » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:23 pm

So we just found out our sections and professors today.

I have Pettit for Contracts, Harper for Civ Pro, Volk for LRW, and Fleming for Torts.

Have any current students had any of these profs? Any advice?

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby Cupidity » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:25 pm

DevilDaze wrote:Fleming for Torts.


Jesus Christ, whose idea was this?

Also, Volk isn't anyones real writing instructor, he is the program coordinator. The class is generally 12-15 students, and it is taught by a practitioner with the assistance of one 2L writing fellow. I don't know if there is another name provided, ie:
"Volk / Shin" or if you have to wait to find out who your actual writing instructor is.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby DevilDaze » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:30 pm

Cupidity wrote:Jesus Christ, whose idea was this?



That doesn't sound good :(

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby ElvisAaron » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:32 pm

I've got
Contracts-Pettit
Civil Procedure-Harper
Torts-Simons

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby Cupidity » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:36 pm

DevilDaze wrote:
Cupidity wrote:Jesus Christ, whose idea was this?



That doesn't sound good :(


We had him for ConLaw, although a review of his course evaluations shows that he has taught torts just as often in the past. I just can't imagine him teaching anything but ConLaw in his slow, semi-lecture style.

He likes to lecture, and uses a panel system for on call. Essentially, he will tell you two weeks in advance, "John, Jane, and Joey, you will be on call on Tuesday the 23rd for Cases A, B, C, and D. He hands out "analytical summaries" at the end of class, and generally uploads them all to blackboard at the end of the semester. The analytical summaries are insanely comprehensive, and I relied entirely on them, rather than my own notes or a supplement, for the final exam. Exam was open-ended issue spotter. Very smart, very likeable, verrrrry dry.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby Cupidity » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:40 pm

ElvisAaron wrote:
Torts-Simons


Fun class, standard socratic-coldcall arangement, often lacks structure. His coldcalls can be frustrating, because he always wants a very specific answer, and it isn't always abundantly clear what that answer should be. Overall, he is a very likable guy, and the class was very fun. He has his own policy theories on several key items, like BPL, and he will expect you to know them. His exam is 2/3 Open-ended issue spotter, 1/3 multiple choice. He also gives summaries, which he calls "road-maps," I used the road-maps instead of my own notes, an outline, or supplement, and did well. A portion of the final exam will be a policy question, when it arrives, turn to the page in the supplement where he talks about it, and write his own theory straight back at him.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby jmpd4851 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:08 pm

Any information on Harper and Petitt?

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby Seffer15 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:22 pm

Where can we find course evaluations? I remember someone mentioning them in some other thread but can't remember where.

I have Kull for Contracts, Farnsworth for Civil Procedure, and Moore for Torts.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby Blindmelon » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:51 pm

jmpd4851 wrote:Any information on Harper and Petitt?


Petitt - you win, definitely one of the best BU profs. Not an easy class, but hes the singing professor and is super eager to help anyone with work/talking about job stuff.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby lalu » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:56 pm

ElvisAaron wrote:I've got
Contracts-Pettit
Civil Procedure-Harper
Torts-Simons



same here! are you C1?

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby ElvisAaron » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:21 pm

lalu wrote:
ElvisAaron wrote:I've got
Contracts-Pettit
Civil Procedure-Harper
Torts-Simons



same here! are you C1?


Hells yeah!

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby FutureInLaw » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:12 pm

Hey Blindmelon, any thoughts on Miller for Contracts, Webber for Civil Procedure, or Baxter for Torts?

Blindmelon wrote:
jmpd4851 wrote:Any information on Harper and Petitt?


Petitt - you win, definitely one of the best BU profs. Not an easy class, but hes the singing professor and is super eager to help anyone with work/talking about job stuff.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby cinephile » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:20 pm

Seffer15 wrote:Where can we find course evaluations? I remember someone mentioning them in some other thread but can't remember where.

I have Kull for Contracts, Farnsworth for Civil Procedure, and Moore for Torts.


Hello, fellow A1 :D

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby Blindmelon » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:53 pm

FutureInLaw wrote:Hey Blindmelon, any thoughts on Miller for Contracts, Webber for Civil Procedure, or Baxter for Torts?

Blindmelon wrote:
jmpd4851 wrote:Any information on Harper and Petitt?


Petitt - you win, definitely one of the best BU profs. Not an easy class, but hes the singing professor and is super eager to help anyone with work/talking about job stuff.


I haven't had any of them. Honestly, all of the 1L profs are good, no worries.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby Cupidity » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:18 am

cinephile wrote:
Seffer15 wrote:Where can we find course evaluations? I remember someone mentioning them in some other thread but can't remember where.

I have Kull for Contracts, Farnsworth for Civil Procedure, and Moore for Torts.


Hello, fellow A1 :D


Farnsworth + Kull = Best Semester Ever

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby elm84dr » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:55 pm

DevilDaze wrote:So we just found out our sections and professors today.

I have Pettit for Contracts, Harper for Civ Pro, Volk for LRW, and Fleming for Torts.

Have any current students had any of these profs? Any advice?


Same...C2, huh?

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby kaiser » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:58 pm

Did you guys get your schedules for spring 2012 as well?

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby elm84dr » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:18 pm

kaiser wrote:Did you guys get your schedules for spring 2012 as well?


nope

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby kaiser » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:24 pm

I still have the Concepts & Insights supplement for Professor Webber's Civil Procedure class, as well as a copy of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. My Federal Rules book is in like new condition, and my Concepts & Insights is almost like new, aside from a few tiny markings. I'm happy to sell them to anyone interested, and i would charge even less than BU's used book price.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby cinephile » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:32 pm

Cupidity wrote:
cinephile wrote:
Seffer15 wrote:Where can we find course evaluations? I remember someone mentioning them in some other thread but can't remember where.

I have Kull for Contracts, Farnsworth for Civil Procedure, and Moore for Torts.


Hello, fellow A1 :D


Farnsworth + Kull = Best Semester Ever


Can I ask, would you recommend any specific supplements for these classes/professors?

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby kaiser » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:44 pm

cinephile wrote:
Cupidity wrote:
cinephile wrote:
Seffer15 wrote:Where can we find course evaluations? I remember someone mentioning them in some other thread but can't remember where.

I have Kull for Contracts, Farnsworth for Civil Procedure, and Moore for Torts.


Hello, fellow A1 :D


Farnsworth + Kull = Best Semester Ever


Can I ask, would you recommend any specific supplements for these classes/professors?


Torts E&E for Moore. For Kull, there is a contracts hornbook by a guy named Farnsworth (not the BU law professor) that was relatively helpful. But Kull teaches contracts in a very distinct way (we called it Kulltracts) and it really doesn't lend itself to supplements or black letter outlines.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby Cupidity » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:50 pm

cinephile wrote:
Cupidity wrote:Farnsworth + Kull = Best Semester Ever


Can I ask, would you recommend any specific supplements for these classes/professors?


Glannon's multiple choice guide for civil procedure was amazingly useful for Farnsworth's class. Civil procedure is more standardized than a lot of the other 1L courses because there isn't a great deal of material to choose from. It's one of the few classes where relying heavily on supplements is advisable. Farnsworth's exam will be closed book, three hours long, and short answer, generally 6-10 questions, with strict word limits of 200-300 words per answer. Farnsworth doesn't publish any old tests, although there is one student-reproduced test in circulation that he will give you at the end of the semester. Since it is the only test available, I'd suggest saving it for the end of your review, rather than wasting it early on. Farnsworth has his own, cheap, coursepack that he has created, it is amazing, and I use it at my summer job, it is literally the best course-material I've ever worked with. It is full of short-answer questions he will ask you to analyze for class discussion, pay attention to these, as they are like his exam questions. Take solid notes when he reviews these short-answers, because you will really wish you had at the end of the semester. He cold-calls, and expects pretty detailed issue analysis on the spot, and loves hypotheticals.

Kull's class was a bit odd. I had him for property. Our exam was fucking strange. But hopefully someone on here had him for Contracts and can offer better insight.

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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby cinephile » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:57 pm

Thanks for the insight on Farnsworth.

ETA: just saw the above post - thanks for the info on Torts with Moore and Kulltracts! Why am I sad that I can't get supplements for contracts?
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Re: BU Class of 2014

Postby Cupidity » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:33 pm

Someone asked me about this spring semester, so I thought I'd post the answer here; Bridges, Kull, Fleming, Marks

Kull's class was amazing, he is a great professor, and strikes the perfect balance between quirky-excentric and old-school paper-chase teaching style. Important thing to know about his class, he will test you on FACTS. No other professor did this, generally if you know the law and the principles, you are solid, his exam actually asked questions like, "What happened in this case, what did each judge think about the issue." You actually need a comprehensive outline with class notes. He includes a lot of obscure stuff that often seems irrelevant, like township and range, mostly because it is interesting. While a lot of people ignored this in preparing for finals, and stuck to the real meat of the course, it showed up on the test. Just because you think the story from Herman Melville on whale hunting practices is off-topic, doesn't mean you shouldn't still brief it. He cold calls, it can be a bit intense. He gives a few handouts for complicated topics throughout the semester, use them well. Since he is a bit quirky, supplements weren't very useful. His exam was bizarre, short answer, with totally inadequate word limits, and a string of strange questions that resulted in a lot of confused looks shooting around the testing room.

Fleming was excellent, he focuses entirely on the 1st, 14th and 10th amendments, with a brief section on separation of powers. This slant makes hornbooks almost completely useless in my opinion. He provides analytic summaries, or handouts, summarizing each class at the end of the day. They are pure gold. Keep them, study them, I didn't even outline, I just bound the summaries together and studied them. His class is quite dry, he reads from a script, and cold calls people that he has given two weeks notice to, "Ok John, Jason, and Josh, you will be on call on Tuesday next week for these 4 cases." It takes away any incentive not to play games on your laptop. Exam is open ended issue spotter, and insanely comprehensive, literally everything will be on there if you can find time to type it.

As for Bridges, she is both brilliant, and a fox, a powerful combination. She is wicked smart, like, students will sometimes ask inane hypotheticals and she will come back with note-worthy one the spot analysis. She is brand new, so she doesn't have a test bank. She does, however, model her crim law exam off of Professor Simons, so using his tests to give you an idea should help. Her exam was closed book, although she gave us a copy of the MPC, and half multiple choice. Her exam was straight forward, but required a very in depth understanding of numerous issues. She cold calls, and it can be very intense, so make sure you actually read. She hates gunners. Don't gun in her class, it will get you no where.

I wrote stuff about Marks class, but it was probably too profane to post on here without someone telling him about it. It was my lowest grade by far, and accordingly, I am in no position to advise on his class.




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