Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

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Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby omgomghi » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:54 pm

Grades came back, and I got straight As. Not sure about rank yet. I'm at a lower T14, and quite happy.

Problem is, I'm basically paying sticker. If I'm paying sticker anyway, I'm thinking a transfer to H/Y might make sense (if I can get in, obviously). I didn't apply to either, if that matters.

Really, I'd prefer to stay put, but get some real $$. What are my best options? What are my odds at top-3? How can I get my current school to offer me more $$?

I feel lucky to be in this position, but I wasn't expecting this and want to make sure I make the most of it. Thanks!

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Re: Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby yyyuppp » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:12 pm

if the highest GPA is a 4.0 at your school, then you are very likely in at H/Y if you keep up your grades, if not still probably H (i really don't know anything about yale Transfers). You likely have a good shot at H even if you drop to 5-10%. I don't know what the need-based aid situation is at Yale, but there is a chance you will get some merit based aid at H depending on age/financial situation (if you're over 29 then it will be a good amount).

You can try negotiating with your school for some scholarship. Some schools will give money to keep transfers if they can, some won't (I think Cornell doesn't). You can maybe gauge this by sending an email to whoever controls that at your school and say something like "I did well, and while i understand scholarship money is not abundant, i would like to investigate the chances of receiving some merit aid given my grades and the fact that you have given me NO money and i am going into massive debt" (say it nicer).

of course, getting those grades again is hard, so keep working and good luck.

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Re: Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby NoDayButToday » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:47 pm

Definitely worth the app to Harvard or Yale -- you're probably a shoe-in for both if you maintain that. Definitely for Harvard, likely Yale. If you get in and your feelings have changed, go for it; if you still wanna stay put, leverage the heck out of them for more $ to stay. You're the student in your class that has a shot for the best federal circuit clerkships and other top accolades at the moment, so they might very well try to throw money at you. If they don't, well, you seem happy where you are. You can let it slide and stay, or you can leave for something new. You have the ultimate win-win. Congratulations and great work!

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Re: Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby CFC1524 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:56 pm

PM'd.

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Re: Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby ExperssioUnius » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:46 am

Leveraging for money once at a school is pretty challenging because the money has to come from somewhere. I was somewhat in your position with a GPA above 3.85 after first semester and no financial help and got no where. Your best hope is that someone in your year who is getting funding drops out or transfers themselves to free up funding relative to your year.

Regarding transfer prospects, they are very high. Keep up the grades this semester. Depending on which lower T-14 school you are coming from, just consider the difference in cost of living. Paying an extra $1,000 a month for equivalent housing in Boston compared to say Durham, Ithaca, or Charlottesville is not an insignificant consideration if your primary motivation for transferring is the funding situation.

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Re: Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby lavarman84 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:26 am

It's worth a try to get scholarship money, and it might be worth it if you are eligible for need-based aid at HYS. But if you're not going to get money at HYS, staying put is your best option. Giving up a 4.0 from a t14 isn't something that I'd consider a great plan unless you're going to get quite a bit more money at one of the top three schools.

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Re: Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby sparty99 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:51 am

lavarman84 wrote:It's worth a try to get scholarship money, and it might be worth it if you are eligible for need-based aid at HYS. But if you're not going to get money at HYS, staying put is your best option. Giving up a 4.0 from a t14 isn't something that I'd consider a great plan unless you're going to get quite a bit more money at one of the top three schools.


You should also consider applying to general scholarships (that might be offered at your University or the numerous scholarship programs out there) and if you are a minority, diversity programs. Actually, you should apply to these even if you are a white male.

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Re: Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby omgomghi » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:52 pm

Thanks for all the advice. Reviving this thread...

Does anyone know what H/Y/S will look at in terms of income when considering need-based aid? Do they only look at the last year (which would be ideal, since I've been in school making no money)?

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Re: Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby PorscheFanatic » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:39 pm

I don't have experience with this, but maybe someone else can comment...if HYS won't give you aid, and your school won't, what about trying to transfer to a mid T14 like Penn, NYU, etc. and seeing if they'll give you money?

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Re: Lower T14 with 4.0. Transfer options?

Postby devilblue » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:56 pm

If I were you, I wouldn't even consider transferring. At a lower t14 with a 4.0 GPA the same doors are open to you as are open to the HYS kids. When you transfer, you lose much of the benefit of your GPA at OCI. Think about it, you'd be NUMBER ONE at your TOP LAW SCHOOL. So, when Cravath comes to your school, they're looking for the few kids in your position. Think about when you transfer to Harvard and Cravath goes to Harvard . . . you're not shit at Harvard, so Cravath isn't drooling over you like they would be at Cornell, Northwestern, etc. OCI.

You've worked hard to separate yourself and you risk throwing a lot of that away by transferring.

A final consideration. There are some doors that are open to you for having a high GPA at a lower T14 that aren't open to the average student at HYS (and I'm thinking that's how you'd be considered if you transferred to one of those schools) or even many above-average students there. I know you don't go to Duke because your grading system has letters where ours is straight numerical. But, if you went to Duke, the 4.0 GPA is huge for example if you want to work at Williams & Connolly. For some reason (a certain partner there), W&C and Duke have a huge connection where like 4-5 Duke gets get offers at W&C every year. You'd be high up in the running at Duke for one of those spots, and because of Duke's unique set-up there, your 4.0 at Duke would likely be even more valuable than a high GPA from a HYS (or at least equivalent). Consider your goals carefully before making your decision because I'm sure every school has unique situations like this out there.




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