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Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
I'll be frank. I'm just posting this to blow off some steam, so be sure to take it with a grain of salt. I'm a rising 2L at a T50 school. I did very poorly my first semester and much better my second semester but not quite good enough to put me in the top 50% (somewhere in the 40th percentile). I wanted to transfer to another school for family reasons that is ranked within 10 USNWR spots of my school depending on the year (sometimes behind, sometimes in front). Because of my poor first semester, I had reasonably given up the idea of transferring because this school normally demands top 1/3 for transfers. As it became apparent that I would improve my second semester, I went and visited with the target school. They had a new Dean of Admissions. I had been waitlisted the previous year, and rejected the year before that due to my strangely profound incompetence with the LSAT. The Dean was so impressed with my persistence that he offered to give me a "strong hope" of being able to transfer because of the very small c/o 2017 that was admitted. He later said that "I should feel good about my chances". For various reasons that I won't go into, to be able to transfer would have been a relief that most people never feel in their natural lives.
I kept my guard up and refused to believe that the school might admit me, my grades were not quite there and it just didn't seem rational that they would admit me over students with better grades just because I had a demonstrable history of interest and the fact that I was at a school that is a near equal in most respects. But then I received an interview about 4 weeks after applying (mid-July). I have talked to dozens of students at my target school and I've searched through every forum imaginable on the internet, and I couldn't not find one human being who had ever been granted an interview at this school and not been granted admission. Unfortunately, I let my guard down and began to believe that I might get in. Another 2 and a half weeks went by without an answer despite being told that I would have my answer before the end of the week after the interview. Then finally, I receive the decision that I was not eligible to transfer because my grades were not in the top half. What's more is that this new Dean is not calling the shots at all and has been the puppet for the associate Dean since starting at the school. I spoke again with the Dean of admissions about every possible way I could get into this damn school and it all came down to a number. What is the purpose of a committee? I'm just not seeing it here. Why would they lead me on like that over the course of nearly seven weeks? Why even have a committee at all when their job can be outsourced to a fucking calculator? Surely this wasn't deserving of a seven week deliberation - seven weeks (of my summer no less) where the possibility of transferring dominated my thoughts.
Then I try to think rationally but I can't come to a proper conclusion. Do I even have a right to be angry? Or do I just have myself to blame for allowing my self-delusion to kick in and believe that I might be accepted? Were the Dean's words and selection to interview me enough to make my hope reasonable? I want to be irrationally angry right now because I think that it will somehow make myself feel better. But my rational side won't allow it. Help.
I kept my guard up and refused to believe that the school might admit me, my grades were not quite there and it just didn't seem rational that they would admit me over students with better grades just because I had a demonstrable history of interest and the fact that I was at a school that is a near equal in most respects. But then I received an interview about 4 weeks after applying (mid-July). I have talked to dozens of students at my target school and I've searched through every forum imaginable on the internet, and I couldn't not find one human being who had ever been granted an interview at this school and not been granted admission. Unfortunately, I let my guard down and began to believe that I might get in. Another 2 and a half weeks went by without an answer despite being told that I would have my answer before the end of the week after the interview. Then finally, I receive the decision that I was not eligible to transfer because my grades were not in the top half. What's more is that this new Dean is not calling the shots at all and has been the puppet for the associate Dean since starting at the school. I spoke again with the Dean of admissions about every possible way I could get into this damn school and it all came down to a number. What is the purpose of a committee? I'm just not seeing it here. Why would they lead me on like that over the course of nearly seven weeks? Why even have a committee at all when their job can be outsourced to a fucking calculator? Surely this wasn't deserving of a seven week deliberation - seven weeks (of my summer no less) where the possibility of transferring dominated my thoughts.
Then I try to think rationally but I can't come to a proper conclusion. Do I even have a right to be angry? Or do I just have myself to blame for allowing my self-delusion to kick in and believe that I might be accepted? Were the Dean's words and selection to interview me enough to make my hope reasonable? I want to be irrationally angry right now because I think that it will somehow make myself feel better. But my rational side won't allow it. Help.
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
I think your anger is justified. If the school has a hard-and-fast rule about not admitting applicants with below-median grades, and if they interviewed you despite knowing that you had below-median grades, then the school unreasonably wasted your time.
I suspect, however, that the school was open to the possibility of admitting you but your interview didn't go particularly well. They're not going to tell you that ("sorry, we didn't like you"), so instead they're using the below-our-grade-cutoff excuse.
Whatever the real reason, it sucks. I'm sorry.
I suspect, however, that the school was open to the possibility of admitting you but your interview didn't go particularly well. They're not going to tell you that ("sorry, we didn't like you"), so instead they're using the below-our-grade-cutoff excuse.
Whatever the real reason, it sucks. I'm sorry.
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
You should be mass mailing
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
Your anger is unjustified. Despite the warnings about attending TTT schools with the assumption that you would be able to transfer somewhere else, you chose to take the risk and got burned. Live with your decision. And yes, you should have started mass mailing 2-3 weeks ago.
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
He goes to a T1 school. He said so in the first line of the first paragraph of his post. At least give OP the courtesy of reading his post before you hit "reply" and shit all over him.Foghornleghorn wrote:Your anger is unjustified. Despite the warnings about attending TTT schools with the assumption that you would be able to transfer somewhere else, you chose to take the risk and got burned. Live with your decision. And yes, you should have started mass mailing 2-3 weeks ago.
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
No kidding. The OP just wanted to transfer to a peer school for personal/geographic reasons. TLS sucks sometimes.trey ohh five wrote:He goes to a T1 school. He said so in the first line of the first paragraph of his post. At least give OP the courtesy of reading his post before you hit "reply" and shit all over him.Foghornleghorn wrote:Your anger is unjustified. Despite the warnings about attending TTT schools with the assumption that you would be able to transfer somewhere else, you chose to take the risk and got burned. Live with your decision. And yes, you should have started mass mailing 2-3 weeks ago.
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
OP here.
Foghorn: Don't worry about my mass mailing, Foghorn. I was trying to switch to a peer school and the circumstances that made a transfer very desirable were not evident until after I started school. Now get off your soapbox and go sit on a bicycle that's missing a seat.
Deseret Fox: for my career goals, T1 will be just fine, even if not all the circumstances are as ideal as they would've been had I been granted a transfer. Take your prestige-whoring snob act elsewhere.
Some of these fucking TLSers will just not hesitate to kick you while you're down.
Foghorn: Don't worry about my mass mailing, Foghorn. I was trying to switch to a peer school and the circumstances that made a transfer very desirable were not evident until after I started school. Now get off your soapbox and go sit on a bicycle that's missing a seat.
Deseret Fox: for my career goals, T1 will be just fine, even if not all the circumstances are as ideal as they would've been had I been granted a transfer. Take your prestige-whoring snob act elsewhere.
Some of these fucking TLSers will just not hesitate to kick you while you're down.
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
Both. You are justified in being angry and have yourself to blame. But you're not alone. I was pretty ticked after the way my transfer cycle went. But things actually are going well for me right now and it might end up working out better for me that I didn't transfer. We'll see. Sometimes things that seem like a negative end up being a positive. Keep your chin up and keep moving forward. It's okay to be pissed but there's nothing you can do at this point. Just gotta move forward with a positive attitude!
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
Much apologies it didn't work out. Yes, it most likely boiled down to the interview not amazing them or their committee. Either way, I know this seems sugary or political, but everything happens for a reason.
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OP here. I appreciate the kind and constructive words. Thank you.
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
If the purpose of the transfer was for family reasons, and assuming that hasn't changed, why not try to be a visiting student at the school next year?
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
T12 = TTTDesert Fox wrote:T1= TTTtrey ohh five wrote:He goes to a T1 school. He said so in the first line of the first paragraph of his post. At least give OP the courtesy of reading his post before you hit "reply" and shit all over him.Foghornleghorn wrote:Your anger is unjustified. Despite the warnings about attending TTT schools with the assumption that you would be able to transfer somewhere else, you chose to take the risk and got burned. Live with your decision. And yes, you should have started mass mailing 2-3 weeks ago.
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Re: Am I justified in being angry? Or only myself to blame?
I'd be super pissed if that happened to me, OP. You are totally justified in being angry. That Dean should not have raised your hopes like that.
T1 is not TTT btw.
T1 is not TTT btw.
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