Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

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Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 30, 2015 5:10 pm

Top 5% at Top 25 school

5 years work experience, senior vice president of medium sized company

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby CanadianWolf » Sat May 30, 2015 5:14 pm

The two most important factors for admission to law school, including Harvard Law School, are one's undergraduate GPA as calculated by LSDAS & one's LSAT score. For Harvard, a score in the 170s should get you serious consideration with a GPA of 3.75 or better.

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Postby 03152016 » Sat May 30, 2015 5:16 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:The two most important factors for admission to law school, including Harvard Law School, are one's undergraduate GPA as calculated by LSDAS & one's LSAT score. For Harvard, a score in the 170s should get you serious consideration with a GPA of 3.75 or better.

we're in the transfers forum

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Mullens » Sat May 30, 2015 5:16 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:The two most important factors for admission to law school, including Harvard Law School, are one's undergraduate GPA as calculated by LSDAS & one's LSAT score. For Harvard, a score in the 170s should get you serious consideration with a GPA of 3.75 or better.


I don't think you even read the post.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 30, 2015 5:20 pm

I'm talking about as a transfer???

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby sandwhich » Sat May 30, 2015 5:24 pm

Why don't you just try? It's not like it's binding.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 30, 2015 5:34 pm

I was accepted ED at Chi. I would be giving that up.

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Postby Longtimecoming19 » Sat May 30, 2015 5:34 pm

You're in a position where success is by no means guaranteed, but it is worth your time to apply.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby CanadianWolf » Sat May 30, 2015 5:42 pm

I read the post, but not the forum heading. Top 5% at a top 25 law school is enough to get you serious consideration as a transfer student to HLS.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby lawman84 » Sat May 30, 2015 5:57 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I was accepted ED at Chi. I would be giving that up.


Isn't that supposed to be binding or am I thinking of the wrong school?

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 30, 2015 6:34 pm

It is, I don't know how binding that is though.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 30, 2015 6:38 pm

Chi will tell me to go fuck myself, but I figured I would still have a shot at NYU, Columbia or Harvard

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Nebby » Sat May 30, 2015 6:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:It is, I don't know how binding that is though.

You're such a damn turd. You can bet that UChi will contact any school you apply to and let them know that you recsinded your binding early decision. You do know that they can see all the schools you apply to via LSAC, right? No law school will accept someone who breaks the pretty fundamental rule of rejecting ED.

UChi is a great school, and you'll do fine. But as I said in another thread (I know who you are, even though this is anonymous), you made your bed. Now sleep in it.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby lawman84 » Sat May 30, 2015 7:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:It is, I don't know how binding that is though.


Well, it's your life so you have to make the best decision for yourself. I'm just surprised you'd apply for early decision knowing it was binding if you didn't intend to follow through. Some may call me naive but if I give my word, I'm going to follow through (honesty and honor mean a lot to me). It's why I wouldn't apply ED. But again, we all have our own values and perspectives. I'd just make sure that backing out on them isn't going to hurt you elsewhere.

I can certainly see an argument as to why it could be acceptable from another's perspective. In a way, it's reciprocal. If your grades drop, they have an out. If your grades or position increase, you should have an out. But it's still not something I could ever do. My word is my bond.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Nebby » Sat May 30, 2015 7:29 pm

lawman84 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:It is, I don't know how binding that is though.


Well, it's your life so you have to make the best decision for yourself. I'm just surprised you'd apply for early decision knowing it was binding if you didn't intend to follow through. Some may call me naive but if I give my word, I'm going to follow through (honesty and honor mean a lot to me). It's why I wouldn't apply ED. But again, we all have our own values and perspectives. I'd just make sure that backing out on them isn't going to hurt you elsewhere.

I can certainly see an argument as to why it could be acceptable from another's perspective. In a way, it's reciprocal. If your grades drop, they have an out. If your grades or position increase, you should have an out. But it's still not something I could ever do. My word is my bond.


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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby POTUSorSCOTUS » Sun May 31, 2015 7:29 am

IDK anything about your other posts OP, but I think you have a shot at H @ top 5% t-25


edit - I'd likely apply to H even though ED at Chi... let H turn you down bc you have a "binding offer" elsewhere ... maybe unless Chi's offer says something along the lines of "if you apply elsewhere, we renege". otherwise, i don't find any merit in the "keep your word" morality argument bc we're dealing with a corp/school/building

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby stego » Sun May 31, 2015 8:44 am

You should talk to someone who actually knows what they're talking about, but I'm under the impression that rejecting an ED offer of admission in order to apply to other law schools is considered unethical and may lead to character and fitness requirements when you take the bar.

Why do you think schools offer ED? Any student who is willing to apply ED likely would have applied RD anyway, so the school is not gaining applicants. The benefit to the school is that it's binding. Signing an Early Decision Agreement and then reneging is dishonest.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sun May 31, 2015 11:30 am

Binding is binding, right? You're not allowed to apply to other schools. What do you do when Harvard rejects you and Chicago finds out you applied and rescinds your acceptance?

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby juzam_djinn » Sun May 31, 2015 1:27 pm

POTUSorSCOTUS wrote:IDK anything about your other posts OP, but I think you have a shot at H @ top 5% t-25


edit - I'd likely apply to H even though ED at Chi... let H turn you down bc you have a "binding offer" elsewhere ... maybe unless Chi's offer says something along the lines of "if you apply elsewhere, we renege". otherwise, i don't find any merit in the "keep your word" morality argument bc we're dealing with a corp/school/building


first off, even if you don't agree w/ the "morality" argument doesn't mean that there isn't a plain and simple CONTRACTUAL obligation to comply w/ the ED clause of the application.

Not agreeing w/ the morality issue is another thing entirely. You realize that in this situation, it's not just the mean old corp/school that you are hurting right? They gave you an added boost on your application b/c you applied ED. You might not have gotten in w/o said boost. Additionally, that boost they gave you inherently harmed other STUDENTS who were more honest and decided to apply RD. And on top of all of this, the argument that students should do what is in their best interest is most commonly thrown around with respect to OCI and not listening to your school's OCS. This is different. You haven't paid anything for a degree yet. The school doesn't owe you anything. You owe the school your word. Don't try to convince other people to back out of their agreements.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby POTUSorSCOTUS » Sun May 31, 2015 2:36 pm

juzam_djinn wrote:
POTUSorSCOTUS wrote:IDK anything about your other posts OP, but I think you have a shot at H @ top 5% t-25


edit - I'd likely apply to H even though ED at Chi... let H turn you down bc you have a "binding offer" elsewhere ... maybe unless Chi's offer says something along the lines of "if you apply elsewhere, we renege". otherwise, i don't find any merit in the "keep your word" morality argument bc we're dealing with a corp/school/building


first off, even if you don't agree w/ the "morality" argument doesn't mean that there isn't a plain and simple CONTRACTUAL obligation to comply w/ the ED clause of the application.

Not agreeing w/ the morality issue is another thing entirely. You realize that in this situation, it's not just the mean old corp/school that you are hurting right? They gave you an added boost on your application b/c you applied ED. You might not have gotten in w/o said boost. Additionally, that boost they gave you inherently harmed other STUDENTS who were more honest and decided to apply RD. And on top of all of this, the argument that students should do what is in their best interest is most commonly thrown around with respect to OCI and not listening to your school's OCS. This is different. You haven't paid anything for a degree yet. The school doesn't owe you anything. You owe the school your word. Don't try to convince other people to back out of their agreements.


I'm looking at the consequences. I doubt this contractual obligation would result in civil liability. Your morality argument regarding a boost over other honest students is just that - a morality argument. I think OP should do what is in his best interest ... like I said, I'd apply to H regardless of ED Chi UNLESS Chi says it will renege its offer if OP applies to other schools. The only plausible worry I'd have if I were OP is what actions the C&F Bar will do, but OP may not know which Bar he's even applying to yet.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby WheninLaw » Sun May 31, 2015 3:35 pm

My guess is you get rejected from all other schools (since they assuredly circulate a list of ED students) and your offer is rescinded from Chicago.

Good luck.

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Longtimecoming19 » Sun May 31, 2015 7:24 pm

OP, if you renege, UChi is immediately going to know that you got into HYSC. You can be sure that they will contact those schools, maybe others as well, and let them know that you reneged on your binding ED commitment. The question is how HLS will react to that news. Here is what you should do: as soon as possible, call the HLS admissions office and ask them whether they would rescind the acceptance of a transfer student who had already accepted an offer at another school under binding ED. If they say that wouldn't matter, apply. If they say that they would rescind your acceptance upon finding out, then you might as well not apply, because they *will* find out.
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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:00 pm

Thanks for the advice.

I emailed Monday with no response. I'm assuming they will rescind any acceptance.

I'm excited about University of Chicago. It was a school that I never could have applied to a year ago and even a few months ago didn't know if I was a serious candidate.

I was doubting my spring performance after finals, but I finished with a semester GPA just above a 4.0, bringing my cumulative to a 3.98. My school does not release grades until after the ED deadline and I thought ED would be the only way I could break into CCN.

I'm very excited about Chicago, but wish I had all of my options before making a decision (CCN and Harvard).

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby JDeezy » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:53 pm

lawman84 wrote:. My word is my bond.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

juzam_djinn wrote: Don't try to convince other people to back out of their agreements.


http://www.nalp.org/what_do_lawyers_do

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Re: Can I get into Harvard??!?!?!

Postby lawman84 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:56 pm

JDeezy wrote:
lawman84 wrote:. My word is my bond.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

juzam_djinn wrote: Don't try to convince other people to back out of their agreements.


http://www.nalp.org/what_do_lawyers_do


We all have different values but I like to believe that people respect honesty, honor, and loyalty. You're certainly entitled to your opinion but lets not act like being a man of your word is something ridiculous.




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