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t4 to t14?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:36 pm

What grades from a t4 school do you need to be considered at a t14 school?

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:37 pm

also from a t4 to top 30?

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby patrickd139 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:58 pm

It depends entirely on the T4 and the t14.

You're posting completely anonymously. What range school are you at, and what is your class rank?

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby LazinessPerSe » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:38 am

I despise the "T14" moniker because there's a huge difference between Harvard and Cornell. You really want to be looking at them in groups. YSH / CCN / MVP, etc.

T4 -> YSH
You'll need to be #1, and even then you likely will not get in without something else on your resume.

T4 -> CCN
You'll need to be #1, chances are minimally better than YSH.

T4 -> MVP
You'll need to be #1, chances are better than YSH, slightly better than CCN. Virginia is an outlier; you'll need to be #1 and be a VA resident. Understand that in UVA's transfer cycle last year, there was an applicant who was #1 at a T4, a VA resident, and UVA UG - they didn't get in.

T4 -> Rest of T14
You'll need to be at the very least in the top 3, preferably #1. Chances get better obviously as you move down the ranks.

Take these with a grain of salt. If you've got a Pulitzer Prize or something, you may not need as stellar grades. You do stand a chance at the lower T14 if you can stay within the top 3 in your class. I would go as far as to say an application to YSH is wasting your money (but you never know unless you try).

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby cooldude87 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:40 am

LazinessPerSe wrote:I despise the "T14" moniker because there's a huge difference between Harvard and Cornell. You really want to be looking at them in groups. YSH / CCN / MVP, etc.

T4 -> YSH
You'll need to be #1, and even then you likely will not get in without something else on your resume.

T4 -> CCN
You'll need to be #1, chances are minimally better than YSH.

T4 -> MVP
You'll need to be #1, chances are better than YSH, slightly better than CCN. Virginia is an outlier; you'll need to be #1 and be a VA resident. Understand that in UVA's transfer cycle last year, there was an applicant who was #1 at a T4, a VA resident, and UVA UG - they didn't get in.

T4 -> Rest of T14
You'll need to be at the very least in the top 3, preferably #1. Chances get better obviously as you move down the ranks.

Take these with a grain of salt. If you've got a Pulitzer Prize or something, you may not need as stellar grades. You do stand a chance at the lower T14 if you can stay within the top 3 in your class. I would go as far as to say an application to YSH is wasting your money (but you never know unless you try).


You wanna make one of these for T2 also?

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby BlueJeanBaby » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:43 am

cooldude87 wrote:
LazinessPerSe wrote:I despise the "T14" moniker because there's a huge difference between Harvard and Cornell. You really want to be looking at them in groups. YSH / CCN / MVP, etc.

T4 -> YSH
You'll need to be #1, and even then you likely will not get in without something else on your resume.

T4 -> CCN
You'll need to be #1, chances are minimally better than YSH.

T4 -> MVP
You'll need to be #1, chances are better than YSH, slightly better than CCN. Virginia is an outlier; you'll need to be #1 and be a VA resident. Understand that in UVA's transfer cycle last year, there was an applicant who was #1 at a T4, a VA resident, and UVA UG - they didn't get in.

T4 -> Rest of T14
You'll need to be at the very least in the top 3, preferably #1. Chances get better obviously as you move down the ranks.

Take these with a grain of salt. If you've got a Pulitzer Prize or something, you may not need as stellar grades. You do stand a chance at the lower T14 if you can stay within the top 3 in your class. I would go as far as to say an application to YSH is wasting your money (but you never know unless you try).


You wanna make one of these for T2 also?


And T1? I have a friend at a T30-50 considering transferring who could use the info.

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby keg411 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:45 am

Honestly, the list above is slightly dumb, but I think I can break it out. I left out Duke (because they don't really take transfers), and Cornell (because they don't let transfers do the NY job fair). And some people will out-perform and some people will under-perform these projections, so don't take them as gospel.

T2 -
YHS: you need to be #1, and still probably won't get in.
CCN: you need to be in the top few people (think top 1-3%). Chicago will take people from Chicago T2's but not other T2's.
Penn: similar to CCN; if you're at a Philly T2, you need to be top 1-3% since everyone is competing for those spots.
UVA: Similar to Penn (minus the Philly T2), but you also need to be a VA resident.
Michigan: top 3-5%, although sometimes they'll go a tiny bit deeper
Northwestern: top 3-7%; from my experience they go a little deeper than Michigan
Georgetown: top ~10%, although they probably don't take everyone in this range.

Low T1 (31-50)
YHS: still top 1-2% (I think)
CCN: top 5%
Penn: top 5-10%
UVA: similar to Penn + VA resident
Michigan: top 5-~15% (though it depends on the T1; and you probably don't want to be that close to the 15% mark even if you get in or you're going to struggle at OCI)
Northwestern: Pretty sure similar to Michigan
Georgetown: top 15%

High T1 (15-30) (not sure here since I didn't follow these cycles as closely, but you have a better chance at YHS)

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby BlueJeanBaby » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:50 am

keg411 wrote:Honestly, the list above is slightly dumb, but I think I can break it out. I left out Duke (because they don't really take transfers), and Cornell (because they don't let transfers do the NY job fair). And some people will out-perform and some people will under-perform these projections, so don't take them as gospel.

T2 -
YHS: you need to be #1, and still probably won't get in.
CCN: you need to be in the top few people (think top 1-3%). Chicago will take people from Chicago T2's but not other T2's.
Penn: similar to CCN; if you're at a Philly T2, you need to be top 1-3% since everyone is competing for those spots.
UVA: Similar to Penn (minus the Philly T2), but you also need to be a VA resident.
Michigan: top 3-5%, although sometimes they'll go a tiny bit deeper
Northwestern: top 3-7%; from my experience they go a little deeper than Michigan
Georgetown: top ~10%, although they probably don't take everyone in this range.

Low T1 (31-50)
YHS: still top 1-2% (I think)
CCN: top 5%
Penn: top 5-10%
UVA: similar to Penn + VA resident
Michigan: top 5-~15% (though it depends on the T1; and you probably don't want to be that close to the 15% mark even if you get in or you're going to struggle at OCI)
Northwestern: Pretty sure similar to Michigan
Georgetown: top 15%

High T1 (15-30) (not sure here since I didn't follow these cycles as closely, but you have a better chance at YHS)


Thanks! Does 25 vs. 30, 30 vs. 35, 30 vs. 50 really make a difference?

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby keg411 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:05 am

^ Probably not that much, but I think schools like BU/BC/GW/TX/Vandy do, so that's why I set them up this way. Like, I think there's a difference between BU and say, Tulane or UGA or American. But obviously it shouldn't be taken at face value and these are just approximations.

(For example, if you're 15% at BC you have a shot at Michigan. If you're 15% at UGA, it's much closer and it's probably a no)

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby LazinessPerSe » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:23 pm

keg411 wrote:Honestly, the list above is slightly dumb, but I think I can break it out. I left out Duke (because they don't really take transfers), and Cornell (because they don't let transfers do the NY job fair). And some people will out-perform and some people will under-perform these projections, so don't take them as gospel.

T2 -
YHS: you need to be #1, and still probably won't get in.
CCN: you need to be in the top few people (think top 1-3%). Chicago will take people from Chicago T2's but not other T2's.
Penn: similar to CCN; if you're at a Philly T2, you need to be top 1-3% since everyone is competing for those spots.
UVA: Similar to Penn (minus the Philly T2), but you also need to be a VA resident.
Michigan: top 3-5%, although sometimes they'll go a tiny bit deeper
Northwestern: top 3-7%; from my experience they go a little deeper than Michigan
Georgetown: top ~10%, although they probably don't take everyone in this range.

Low T1 (31-50)
YHS: still top 1-2% (I think)
CCN: top 5%
Penn: top 5-10%
UVA: similar to Penn + VA resident
Michigan: top 5-~15% (though it depends on the T1; and you probably don't want to be that close to the 15% mark even if you get in or you're going to struggle at OCI)
Northwestern: Pretty sure similar to Michigan
Georgetown: top 15%

High T1 (15-30) (not sure here since I didn't follow these cycles as closely, but you have a better chance at YHS)


The list I provided was rudimentary at best. The point is for anyone going from T4 - T14, you're looking at needed #1 for at least the top 3, and from there nowhere outside top 2-5%. T4 -> T1 (15-30) isn't as bad. Top 10% will get you into Emory and GWU. But lower than top 15% and you're going to have trouble.

T4 is a lottery pick at best when it comes to transferring.

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby BlueJeanBaby » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:34 pm

keg411 wrote:^ Probably not that much, but I think schools like BU/BC/GW/TX/Vandy do, so that's why I set them up this way. Like, I think there's a difference between BU and say, Tulane or UGA or American. But obviously it shouldn't be taken at face value and these are just approximations.

(For example, if you're 15% at BC you have a shot at Michigan. If you're 15% at UGA, it's much closer and it's probably a no)


Oh okay, agreed. I figured schools like Bama (29), UGA (34), UNC (38) and UF (48) were kind of the same. Thanks!

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby hds2388 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:39 pm

keg411 wrote:Honestly, the list above is slightly dumb, but I think I can break it out. I left out Duke (because they don't really take transfers), and Cornell (because they don't let transfers do the NY job fair). And some people will out-perform and some people will under-perform these projections, so don't take them as gospel.

T2 -
YHS: you need to be #1, and still probably won't get in.
CCN: you need to be in the top few people (think top 1-3%). Chicago will take people from Chicago T2's but not other T2's.
Penn: similar to CCN; if you're at a Philly T2, you need to be top 1-3% since everyone is competing for those spots.
UVA: Similar to Penn (minus the Philly T2), but you also need to be a VA resident.
Michigan: top 3-5%, although sometimes they'll go a tiny bit deeper
Northwestern: top 3-7%; from my experience they go a little deeper than Michigan
Georgetown: top ~10%, although they probably don't take everyone in this range.

Low T1 (31-50)
YHS: still top 1-2% (I think)
CCN: top 5%
Penn: top 5-10%
UVA: similar to Penn + VA resident
Michigan: top 5-~15% (though it depends on the T1; and you probably don't want to be that close to the 15% mark even if you get in or you're going to struggle at OCI)
Northwestern: Pretty sure similar to Michigan
Georgetown: top 15%

High T1 (15-30) (not sure here since I didn't follow these cycles as closely, but you have a better chance at YHS)


Thought this was pretty good, but as someone who transferred from a T2 to Penn and someone with a lot of experience with transfers (from other schools as well) I think my hunches are a little different (although, I would add, that anything that can be explained with hunches can be more accurately explained with numbers -- so if someone has those...I found the Yahoo! group to be only sort of OK).

From a T2:
HYS - very challenging. Would need to be in the top 1 or 2 students, have a compelling background and strong recs. Even given all of these things it is a very, very low chance. I know someone who transferred from my 1L school (to Columbia) who had a 4.0, an insanely good 1L rec, CALIs and good recs. He didn't get H. If you're in the top handful of students from your school it's worth the app to these places, but don't expect anything.

CCN - Need to be in the top 5%. I think this is where I disagree with above; I have friends who got in with 5% numbers to both Columbia and NYU. It helps, I think, to be at an NYC
T2.

Penn - I make this only a separate category because I know more about who they take. They've dipped as low as 10% in T2's, but have also rejected people I know in the top 5% of T2's. They have a big enough class where they take a few risks, but a small enough class where there is some variance.

UVA - don't know much. sounds tricky to get if youre not a VA resident.

Michigan - I think top 7-8% and you'll get in for sure. Still worth an app if you're in the top 10% at a highly ranked T2.

DCNG - I don't know enough about these. Probably going to get one if you have top 10% numbers. But maybe not.

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby keg411 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:46 pm

I transferred from a PA-area T2 as well and was top 5% and did not get into Penn (though I got into, and attend Mich). The people who got into Penn from my school my year all had better grades than I did and were top 1-3%, although I still fell into the top 5% category. Maybe they'll dip like you claim, but it definitely didn't happen my transfer year.

I was also rejected from all of CCN and I don't know anyone who got in from my school (and if anyone got in, no one went). But I'll agree that CLS/NYU may be easier for top 5% of Dozo/BK/etc. than for other T2's.

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby hds2388 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:53 pm

keg411 wrote:I transferred from a PA-area T2 as well and was top 5% and did not get into Penn (though I got into, and attend Mich). The people who got into Penn from my school my year all had better grades than I did and were top 1-3%, although I still fell into the top 5% category. Maybe they'll dip like you claim, but it definitely didn't happen my transfer year.

I was also rejected from all of CCN and I don't know anyone who got in from my school (and if anyone got in, no one went). But I'll agree that CLS/NYU may be easier for top 5% of Dozo/BK/etc. than for other T2's.



Your transfer year was the same as mine I believe (are you a 3L?) Penn did take top 10% people that year from T2's, but like I said they can be finnicky. Certainly it's no commentary on you; M is just as good a school (and is apparently Hogwarts). I think the overriding theme is: transfer admissions can be really vague: grades are not the only factor. You may not get into the worst school you apply to, while still getting into the best. I lived with a kid this summer who had top 5%ish numbers at a T2 in NYC and got N and C but not P. It's confusing.

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby keg411 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:01 pm

hds2388 wrote:
keg411 wrote:I transferred from a PA-area T2 as well and was top 5% and did not get into Penn (though I got into, and attend Mich). The people who got into Penn from my school my year all had better grades than I did and were top 1-3%, although I still fell into the top 5% category. Maybe they'll dip like you claim, but it definitely didn't happen my transfer year.

I was also rejected from all of CCN and I don't know anyone who got in from my school (and if anyone got in, no one went). But I'll agree that CLS/NYU may be easier for top 5% of Dozo/BK/etc. than for other T2's.



Your transfer year was the same as mine I believe (are you a 3L?) Penn did take top 10% people that year from T2's, but like I said they can be finnicky. Certainly it's no commentary on you; M is just as good a school (and is apparently Hogwarts). I think the overriding theme is: transfer admissions can be really vague: grades are not the only factor. You may not get into the worst school you apply to, while still getting into the best. I lived with a kid this summer who had top 5%ish numbers at a T2 in NYC and got N and C but not P. It's confusing.


Yup, I'm a 3L. It's also certainly possible the 10% people could be from different T2's than mine and that they took people from my class more based on grades than yours. I also love M and don't think they're any different in terms of ranking/jobs/etc., I just had legit reasons why I wanted to stay in the area.

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby hds2388 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:02 pm

keg411 wrote:
hds2388 wrote:
keg411 wrote:I transferred from a PA-area T2 as well and was top 5% and did not get into Penn (though I got into, and attend Mich). The people who got into Penn from my school my year all had better grades than I did and were top 1-3%, although I still fell into the top 5% category. Maybe they'll dip like you claim, but it definitely didn't happen my transfer year.

I was also rejected from all of CCN and I don't know anyone who got in from my school (and if anyone got in, no one went). But I'll agree that CLS/NYU may be easier for top 5% of Dozo/BK/etc. than for other T2's.



Your transfer year was the same as mine I believe (are you a 3L?) Penn did take top 10% people that year from T2's, but like I said they can be finnicky. Certainly it's no commentary on you; M is just as good a school (and is apparently Hogwarts). I think the overriding theme is: transfer admissions can be really vague: grades are not the only factor. You may not get into the worst school you apply to, while still getting into the best. I lived with a kid this summer who had top 5%ish numbers at a T2 in NYC and got N and C but not P. It's confusing.


Yup, I'm a 3L. It's also certainly possible the 10% people could be from different T2's than mine and that they took people from my class more based on grades than yours.


Absolutely true.

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Re: t4 to t14?

Postby shock259 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:29 pm

These charts give you a sense, but they aren't perfect. The gist is that yes, you can transfer from a T4 to a T14, but you'll have to do exceptionally well. Come back with 2 semesters worth of grades and a final class rank and we can tell you where to apply. Otherwise, stop day-dreaming and start studying.

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