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mileslibertatis wrote:Were there other people who got the Tuition Deposit box and whatnot and got a rejection letter? I thought everyone else got a call. I have been telling people I got in to NYU... I hope I didn't jinxify myself.

Miles - Sounds like a mix-up. You definitely have the numbers, and they let you onto the admitted students page. It's more likely that they mix up a form letter than allowing someone to access the admitted students page. Ugh, sorry you have to wait until Monday to clear that up.

I was just being a nervous little nellie. Got the acceptance package today.

mileslibertatis wrote:I was just being a nervous little nellie. Got the acceptance package today.

Awesome - congrats once again.

anonymouse2828 wrote:

shock259 wrote:You were dinged via email, right? Or was it the status checker?

Sorry to hear - good luck with your cycle.

E-mail.

Well, I was trying to xfer from a rather low TTTT, but still #1 in class. Oh well. looks like I'll more than likely be going to GWU, unless CLS or SLS want me. >_<

TTTT to GW is legit. Here's hoping for good news down cycle.

Very likely will attend NYU now. Wonder anyone is looking for a roommate? PM me!

Confirmed today. Got the package in the mail. I'm in and will probably attend

Good luck to all still waiting!

Stats:

BU - top 10% of section. 3.76 GPA. No serious WE, secondary journal.

Congrats to all the admits!

Silly question that I hope others will be able to think about/answer here:

What are the substantive differences between CLS and NYU? For some reason I have an intuition that CLS is more academia focused whereas NYU is more business but I can't recall the basis for that.

Haven't gotten into (and may well not get into) CLS but I'm just doing my homework before accepting NYU.

mdfreeman wrote:Silly question that I hope others will be able to think about/answer here:

What are the substantive differences between CLS and NYU? For some reason I have an intuition that CLS is more academia focused whereas NYU is more business but I can't recall the basis for that.

Haven't gotten into (and may well not get into) CLS but I'm just doing my homework before accepting NYU.

Even if there are minor substantive differences, most are essentially nullified at the transfer stage. Transfers aren't getting into academia anyway so that shouldn't factor in. For NYC biglaw, transfers at both schools will kill it at OCI so no real difference. I know a bunch of transfers at both schools who racked up V10 offers. So the substantive differences are very low come transfer stage. NYU gives all transfers full ability to get onto journals. Not sure if CLS offers the same, so maybe someone can confirm that?

I refuse to accept your judgment of transfers getting academia. Also, CLS seems to carry more prestige in general, but I think for job purposes it is much more a function of the interviewee.

mileslibertatis wrote:I refuse to accept your judgment of transfers getting academia. Also, CLS seems to carry more prestige in general, but I think for job purposes it is much more a function of the interviewee.

I agree with Miles. That last person's post diminishing academia prospects for transfers seemed a bit...unsubstantiated. Everything I've read/heard suggests that once you're there, you're there. It's not like your degree says "NYU - Lite."

That said, I don't really have any interest in academia later so I've no stake in this game. CLS does seem to have slightly more "prestige" factor and if I get in there as well that might push me over the edge.

mdfreeman wrote:

mileslibertatis wrote:I refuse to accept your judgment of transfers getting academia. Also, CLS seems to carry more prestige in general, but I think for job purposes it is much more a function of the interviewee.

I agree with Miles. That last person's post diminishing academia prospects for transfers seemed a bit...unsubstantiated. Everything I've read/heard suggests that once you're there, you're there. It's not like your degree says "NYU - Lite."

That said, I don't really have any interest in academia later so I've no stake in this game. CLS does seem to have slightly more "prestige" factor and if I get in there as well that might push me over the edge.

Its incredibly rare for one in academia to not be on law review. As a transfer, I think they hold open 1 or 2 law review spots. If academia does not, as a general matter, require law review participation as a prerequisite, then I take back what I said. I was just tying academia to LR participation, which only 1 or 2 at most will have. I wasn't diminishing NYUs capability to place one into academia in general.

Keep the questions coming guys. I'm happy to share my experiences here so far as a transfer.

mileslibertatis wrote:I refuse to accept your judgment of transfers getting academia. Also, CLS seems to carry more prestige in general, but I think for job purposes it is much more a function of the interviewee.

You are def right that it is your interview skills that will determine your success at this point. Coming to any CCN school as a transfer will provide great opportunities, but of course you have to seize them with good interviewing. But transfers in general seem to be very successful in doing so.

kaiser wrote:

mdfreeman wrote:

mileslibertatis wrote:I refuse to accept your judgment of transfers getting academia. Also, CLS seems to carry more prestige in general, but I think for job purposes it is much more a function of the interviewee.

I agree with Miles. That last person's post diminishing academia prospects for transfers seemed a bit...unsubstantiated. Everything I've read/heard suggests that once you're there, you're there. It's not like your degree says "NYU - Lite."

That said, I don't really have any interest in academia later so I've no stake in this game. CLS does seem to have slightly more "prestige" factor and if I get in there as well that might push me over the edge.

Its incredibly rare for one in academia to not be on law review. As a transfer, I think they hold open 1 or 2 law review spots. If academia does not, as a general matter, require law review participation as a prerequisite, then I take back what I said. I was just tying academia to LR participation, which only 1 or 2 at most will have. I wasn't diminishing NYUs capability to place one into academia in general.

Keep the questions coming guys. I'm happy to share my experiences here so far as a transfer.

Hey! I just got done reading yours and many others posts from last years transfer thread. Couple questions:

1) How did most transfers do at OCI at NYU? I'm particularly worried about the "Small-fish, big pond" problem. I'm not transferring to improve my prospects in the short term as I hear firms generally assess you based on your 1L school/grades. But I'm just cautious about going from a strong candidate at BU to a average candidate at NYU.

2) Is it true that the majority of NYU grads stay/work in NYC after graduation? Part of transferring for me was hoping to open up more of a national market. It's not a deal breaker but just curious.

3) How hard was it to get the classes you wanted for the fall?

4) Aside from International Law and Tax, is NYU known prominently for anything else? Or at the CCN level is it basically just "we do everything amazing!"

5) How likely is it to get the University housing?

6) If you want to be on a journal, how likely is it? I know BU is generally like "everyone that wants a journal gets one" but it sounds different as a transfer.

Sorry for a million questions, just finally thinking this all through today.

mdfreeman wrote:

kaiser wrote:

mdfreeman wrote:

mileslibertatis wrote:I refuse to accept your judgment of transfers getting academia. Also, CLS seems to carry more prestige in general, but I think for job purposes it is much more a function of the interviewee.

I agree with Miles. That last person's post diminishing academia prospects for transfers seemed a bit...unsubstantiated. Everything I've read/heard suggests that once you're there, you're there. It's not like your degree says "NYU - Lite."

That said, I don't really have any interest in academia later so I've no stake in this game. CLS does seem to have slightly more "prestige" factor and if I get in there as well that might push me over the edge.

Its incredibly rare for one in academia to not be on law review. As a transfer, I think they hold open 1 or 2 law review spots. If academia does not, as a general matter, require law review participation as a prerequisite, then I take back what I said. I was just tying academia to LR participation, which only 1 or 2 at most will have. I wasn't diminishing NYUs capability to place one into academia in general.

Keep the questions coming guys. I'm happy to share my experiences here so far as a transfer.

Hey! I just got done reading yours and many others posts from last years transfer thread. Couple questions:

1) How did most transfers do at OCI at NYU? I'm particularly worried about the "Small-fish, big pond" problem. I'm not transferring to improve my prospects in the short term as I hear firms generally assess you based on your 1L school/grades. But I'm just cautious about going from a strong candidate at BU to a average candidate at NYU.

2) Is it true that the majority of NYU grads stay/work in NYC after graduation? Part of transferring for me was hoping to open up more of a national market. It's not a deal breaker but just curious.

3) How hard was it to get the classes you wanted for the fall?

4) Aside from International Law and Tax, is NYU known prominently for anything else? Or at the CCN level is it basically just "we do everything amazing!"

5) How likely is it to get the University housing?

6) If you want to be on a journal, how likely is it? I know BU is generally like "everyone that wants a journal gets one" but it sounds different as a transfer.

Sorry for a million questions, just finally thinking this all through today.

1. Most transfers did extremely well at OCI. I keep up with about 15 of the transfers, and every single one of those I know are set with top firm jobs. We have transfers at multiple V5 firms, lots of V10 people, etc. It is all lottery here, so you pick which firms you meet with. So it all comes down to your credentials and interviewing skills. Since transfers come in with such a high level of academic success, it is expected that OCI will go very smoothly.

It is a myth that you are only looked at as a 1L from you old school. I got offers from firms that never would have taken people from my old school. The effects of the school jump were immediately clear.

2. Most do stay in NYC, but I know a solid number of people going elsewhere. A good number of people will be in CA, some DC kids, some in Chicago, etc. But NYC is the center of placement, and understandably so. The firms that come will often interview us for any office we choose, so if a firm likes you, you will have some flexibility to talk about working in other offices. As the school places more emphasis on placing students nationally, the schools reputation is rising on a national level, so it will certainly increase your job prospects outside of NYC to some extent, depending on where you are hoping to end up.

3. I got most of the classes I wanted. They hold open spots in pretty much every class, so that transfers get a chance to bid, and we get a full bidding cycle independent of the continuing students. There hasn't been a class I really wanted but wasn't able to get, assuming i was willing to bid high number of points for it. The only time I missed out on certain classes is when I ran out of points to bid, and had to make a decision. And remember that 2L is often made up of upper level doctrinal classes like corporations, evidence, tax, etc. Each of these courses is offered multiple times and with more than enough seats.

4. Aside from international law and tax, I'd say NYU is also very strong in labor and employment law. They have some of the top professors in that area, offer some great classes, and run a Center in that area of law which puts on seminars, lectures, etc. But as you said, they are strong in many areas aside from just the few of note. Te breadth and depth of the course offerings makes it so you could go any route with top professors and an engaging curriculum of coursework.

5. I know a bunch of transfers who live in NYU housing. I went with other options for housing, so I can't really speak to the law housing in too much detail, but I know that a solid number of transfers lived there.

6. Every journal holds open spots for transfers, but how many depends on the journal. My guess would be that there is a journal spot for about 1/2 of the transfers. But remember that many transfers will not do the write on, or won't put full effort into it (since it is pretty much right during EIW). So if you really want a journal and put in the effort, you will likely get it.

Hope this info is helpful!

There were 4 transfers on law review 2 years ago.

Four is pretty decent odds. I'm pretty sure it was two last year.

LR is important for academia, but there are several factors besides transferring that go in to getting LR and there are other factors besides LR that go in to academia. But I do see how this has an impact.

kaiser wrote:

mdfreeman wrote:Silly question that I hope others will be able to think about/answer here:

What are the substantive differences between CLS and NYU? For some reason I have an intuition that CLS is more academia focused whereas NYU is more business but I can't recall the basis for that.

Haven't gotten into (and may well not get into) CLS but I'm just doing my homework before accepting NYU.

Even if there are minor substantive differences, most are essentially nullified at the transfer stage. Transfers aren't getting into academia anyway so that shouldn't factor in. For NYC biglaw, transfers at both schools will kill it at OCI so no real difference. I know a bunch of transfers at both schools who racked up V10 offers. So the substantive differences are very low come transfer stage. NYU gives all transfers full ability to get onto journals. Not sure if CLS offers the same, so maybe someone can confirm that?

CLS does allow transfers to join journals; however, the CLS write-on competition for transfers has already happened (it was in May). NYU's transfer write-on is in the fall.

Anyone who's going to NYU looking for a roommate? I'm a little scared of using Craigslist.

mileslibertatis wrote:LR is important for academia, but there are several factors besides transferring that go in to getting LR and there are other factors besides LR that go in to academia. But I do see how this has an impact.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say that "there are several factors besides transferring that go in to getting LR". I was talking about it as a matter of sheer statistical probability. They hold up about 2 or 3 LR spots for transfers (someone said it was 4 a few years ago). So out of almost 50 transfers, a very small percentage will get onto LR. I just want to make sure people understand this. Sure, maybe some academics somehow broke into academia without being on LR, but I'd imagine that is very rare.

Oh, and about Columbia: Thats insulting that they would require you to do the write on before even knowing if you got in as a transfer.

I might be looking for a roommate if I get in. I'm planning on staying in Jersey City, though.

...I've never looked so forward to Monday morning.

InSport wrote:I might be looking for a roommate if I get in. I'm planning on staying in Jersey City, though.

...I've never looked so forward to Monday morning.

Smart choice staying in Jersey City. Super convenient to NYU and rent is about half as much. I sort of like getting out of the craziness of the city at the end of the day, but always having the ability to get back within just a few minutes.

Is there a mailing list for students to look for housing? I checked NJ housing and each apartment is asking for 1500 at least. If I'm paying that much, I'd rather staying at the dorm.

Will the dorms be available to transfer students? After spending a day calling friends/checking Craigslist, I kinda feel dorm might be the hassle-free way to do my housing.

kaiser wrote:

InSport wrote:I might be looking for a roommate if I get in. I'm planning on staying in Jersey City, though.

...I've never looked so forward to Monday morning.

Smart choice staying in Jersey City. Super convenient to NYU and rent is about half as much. I sort of like getting out of the craziness of the city at the end of the day, but always having the ability to get back within just a few minutes.

transferfromut wrote:Is there a mailing list for students to look for housing? I checked NJ housing and each apartment is asking for 1500 at least. If I'm paying that much, I'd rather staying at the dorm.

Will the dorms be available to transfer students? After spending a day calling friends/checking Craigslist, I kinda feel dorm might be the hassle-free way to do my housing.

kaiser wrote:

InSport wrote:I might be looking for a roommate if I get in. I'm planning on staying in Jersey City, though.

...I've never looked so forward to Monday morning.

Smart choice staying in Jersey City. Super convenient to NYU and rent is about half as much. I sort of like getting out of the craziness of the city at the end of the day, but always having the ability to get back within just a few minutes.

Law dorms are available to transfer students and it's probably the most hassle free route. But def do some Craigslist searching. Within one day of looking, I set up 3 appointments, found some great places, and ended up choosing the place I currently live in. Make sure to look into renting out a room in a larger apartment. That will give you the best savings. I found a bunch of options between 800-1000 that are very close to the grove and Newport path stations.