mdfreeman wrote: kaiser wrote: mdfreeman wrote:
mileslibertatis wrote:I refuse to accept your judgment of transfers getting academia. Also, CLS seems to carry more prestige in general, but I think for job purposes it is much more a function of the interviewee.
I agree with Miles. That last person's post diminishing academia prospects for transfers seemed a bit...unsubstantiated. Everything I've read/heard suggests that once you're there, you're there. It's not like your degree says "NYU - Lite."
That said, I don't really have any interest in academia later so I've no stake in this game. CLS does seem to have slightly more "prestige" factor and if I get in there as well that might push me over the edge.
Its incredibly rare for one in academia to not be on law review. As a transfer, I think they hold open 1 or 2 law review spots. If academia does not, as a general matter, require law review participation as a prerequisite, then I take back what I said. I was just tying academia to LR participation, which only 1 or 2 at most will have. I wasn't diminishing NYUs capability to place one into academia in general.
Keep the questions coming guys. I'm happy to share my experiences here so far as a transfer.
Hey! I just got done reading yours and many others posts from last years transfer thread. Couple questions:
1) How did most transfers do at OCI at NYU? I'm particularly worried about the "Small-fish, big pond" problem. I'm not transferring to improve my prospects in the short term as I hear firms generally assess you based on your 1L school/grades. But I'm just cautious about going from a strong candidate at BU to a average candidate at NYU.
2) Is it true that the majority of NYU grads stay/work in NYC after graduation? Part of transferring for me was hoping to open up more of a national market. It's not a deal breaker but just curious.
3) How hard was it to get the classes you wanted for the fall?
4) Aside from International Law and Tax, is NYU known prominently for anything else? Or at the CCN level is it basically just "we do everything amazing!"
5) How likely is it to get the University housing?
6) If you want to be on a journal, how likely is it? I know BU is generally like "everyone that wants a journal gets one" but it sounds different as a transfer.
Sorry for a million questions, just finally thinking this all through today.
1. Most transfers did extremely well at OCI. I keep up with about 15 of the transfers, and every single one of those I know are set with top firm jobs. We have transfers at multiple V5 firms, lots of V10 people, etc. It is all lottery here, so you pick which firms you meet with. So it all comes down to your credentials and interviewing skills. Since transfers come in with such a high level of academic success, it is expected that OCI will go very smoothly.
It is a myth that you are only looked at as a 1L from you old school. I got offers from firms that never would have taken people from my old school. The effects of the school jump were immediately clear.
2. Most do stay in NYC, but I know a solid number of people going elsewhere. A good number of people will be in CA, some DC kids, some in Chicago, etc. But NYC is the center of placement, and understandably so. The firms that come will often interview us for any office we choose, so if a firm likes you, you will have some flexibility to talk about working in other offices. As the school places more emphasis on placing students nationally, the schools reputation is rising on a national level, so it will certainly increase your job prospects outside of NYC to some extent, depending on where you are hoping to end up.
3. I got most of the classes I wanted. They hold open spots in pretty much every class, so that transfers get a chance to bid, and we get a full bidding cycle independent of the continuing students. There hasn't been a class I really wanted but wasn't able to get, assuming i was willing to bid high number of points for it. The only time I missed out on certain classes is when I ran out of points to bid, and had to make a decision. And remember that 2L is often made up of upper level doctrinal classes like corporations, evidence, tax, etc. Each of these courses is offered multiple times and with more than enough seats.
4. Aside from international law and tax, I'd say NYU is also very strong in labor and employment law. They have some of the top professors in that area, offer some great classes, and run a Center in that area of law which puts on seminars, lectures, etc. But as you said, they are strong in many areas aside from just the few of note. Te breadth and depth of the course offerings makes it so you could go any route with top professors and an engaging curriculum of coursework.
5. I know a bunch of transfers who live in NYU housing. I went with other options for housing, so I can't really speak to the law housing in too much detail, but I know that a solid number of transfers lived there.
6. Every journal holds open spots for transfers, but how many depends on the journal. My guess would be that there is a journal spot for about 1/2 of the transfers. But remember that many transfers will not do the write on, or won't put full effort into it (since it is pretty much right during EIW). So if you really want a journal and put in the effort, you will likely get it.
Hope this info is helpful!