Why do schools accept so many transfers?

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby kaiser » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:11 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
kaiser wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Not washed from your record bro. Everyone can smell the stink of UC Hastings or whatever place where you beat out a bunch of sub mental retards for your top 10% to transfer out.


Question though. I got into a T6 the first time around, and went to a T20 instead to start. How come you only got into Cornell?


3.1ish GPA and a mid January app.

My LSAT was 170+.


So you couldn't beat out a bunch of pot-smoking lazy sub mental undergrad retards for a decent GPA?

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby ilovesf » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:11 pm

:roll: can we please get a Johan ban? Going into a transfer thread and calling everyone ttt is pretty uncool.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby johansantana21 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:15 pm

kaiser wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:
kaiser wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Not washed from your record bro. Everyone can smell the stink of UC Hastings or whatever place where you beat out a bunch of sub mental retards for your top 10% to transfer out.


Question though. I got into a T6 the first time around, and went to a T20 instead to start. How come you only got into Cornell?


3.1ish GPA and a mid January app.

My LSAT was 170+.


So you couldn't beat out a bunch of pot-smoking lazy sub mental undergrad retards for a decent GPA?


Yeah that's what happens when you don't try.

Also lol at being proud of NYU transfer. Couldn't get into Columbia bro? Don't worry, I'll let you know how it is at Harvard if I choose to transfer there.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby kaiser » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:17 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
Yeah that's what happens when you don't try.

Also lol at being proud of NYU transfer. Couldn't get into Columbia bro? Don't worry, I'll let you know how it is at Harvard if I choose to transfer there.


Edit: Ok, we're being a bit immature here so I deleted the snide response I originally put. Lets not ruin this thread for others. Johan, thats great that you are top 10%, and who knows? Maybe you will transfer to Harvard. And I assure you that your classmates wouldn't look down on you. After all, you would be the one who killed it in law school, and not them. So I do not think you are right that transferring creates some kind of stigma. And idk if its just your style to want to be abrasive, but I think you could have gotten your thought across a bit more tactfully earlier, especially since your opinion was entirely based on presumption (as you have neither transferred, nor been in a class that has transfers, since you are still in 1L year).

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby dreakol » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:11 am

johansantana21 wrote:
kaiser wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Not washed from your record bro. Everyone can smell the stink of UC Hastings or whatever place where you beat out a bunch of sub mental retards for your top 10% to transfer out.


Question though. I got into a T6 the first time around, and went to a T20 instead to start. How come you only got into Cornell?


3.1ish GPA and a mid January app.

My LSAT was 170+.


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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby Mce252 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:21 am

johansantana21 wrote:Yeah that's what happens when you don't try.

Also lol at being proud of NYU transfer. Couldn't get into Columbia bro? Don't worry, I'll let you know how it is at Harvard if I choose to transfer there.


If you are anywhere close to this ridiculous in real life, no, you will not get a big law job. Do you have any friends who could work with you on life skills?

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:39 am

Going to go ahead and point out that all of the transfers I know who have V10 biglaw gigs and clerkships think the "stink" of their 1L school+transfer "stinks" of roses; roses that cost less than doing all three years at the transferee school, since the 1L school was almost always much cheaper.

Trolololol, I know, but still, jaysus :roll:

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby androstan » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:41 am

It doesn't need repeating but I felt like posting.

It's a windfall for the school accepting the xfers. Not only is it a bunch of revenue, but additionally, 1L grades are the best predictor of 2L and 3L grades. 1L grades + LSAT + UGPA is, probably, a really good predictor. I think some schools consider the second two in a "soft" way directly, and I expect they all consider the latter 2 by proxy by examining the transferor's 1L school.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby ben4847 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:59 pm

Mce252 wrote:
ben4847 wrote:It has nothing to do with money. Anyone who transfers into a school would have been thrilled to come and pay full tuition the year before as well. Thus, the incoming schools could have had 3 years of full tuition from them instead of 2.

If you don't believe the stated explanation (that the wanted to see who was actually good at law school instead of relying on LSAT/GPA), then you'll need give a better one.



This is stupid. It's all about rankings and money. Accepting them as 1Ls lowers LSAT/GPA stats. Accepting them as transfers allows for high performing students to pay full tuitioin without reporting stats.


No, your post is stupid.
If all the schools would just admit those extra students the first year, it would hurt none of their ratings, since they would all take the hit of admitting those students.
If Harvard admits an extra 30 a year, and Columbia an extra 75, and NYU an extra 60, etc., there would still be the exact same rankings. Harvard's extra 30 will come from Columbia. Columbia's extra 75 and NYU's 60 will come from lower T14s, etc.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby atashakor » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:11 pm

A prof. told me that the ABA is looking into this and may soon come up with a new rule where schools can take only a limited number of transfers.
Schools pretty much cheat their way by accepting transfer students without giving them any scholarship and no of reporting their lsat/gpa

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby kaiser » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:14 pm

atashakor wrote:A prof. told me that the ABA is looking into this and may soon come up with a new rule where schools can take only a limited number of transfers.
Schools pretty much cheat their way by accepting transfer students without giving them any scholarship and no of reporting their lsat/gpa


Forcing schools to report the LSAT/GPA of transfers would be entirely counterintuitive. The entire point is that, for some students, LSAT is simply not reflective of their ability to perform well in law school. LSAT is merely a proxy for law school performance, so the existence of an entire year of 1L grades entirely negates the value and need of showing that LSAT score. The whole point is for the transferee schools to bring in the best law school student, and not merely those with the highest LSAT scores (and when I applied as a transfer, only 1 school even asked for LSAT score). By that logic, if a student attends a T20 on scholarship, had a 173 LSAT, but didn't do well 1L year, a T6 might as well snatch him up as a transfer regardless of 1L grades since LSAT must be reported, and this transfer has a desirable LSAT score. Thus, it would create the same odd incentives that plague the 1L admissions cycle, and stops the school from trying to bring in the best actual candidates in favor of those with the best LSAT scores.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby TTRansfer » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:22 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
ilovesf wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:So that non-transfers can feel superior.

not sure why, since transfer students usually do well at their new schools

They laugh at your failure to do well on a test as easy as the LSAT.


Most transfers will be able to laugh at your failure to beast OCI when we come in and steal your jobs.

Non-transfers:

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby Mce252 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:47 pm

ben4847 wrote:
Mce252 wrote:
ben4847 wrote:It has nothing to do with money. Anyone who transfers into a school would have been thrilled to come and pay full tuition the year before as well. Thus, the incoming schools could have had 3 years of full tuition from them instead of 2.

If you don't believe the stated explanation (that the wanted to see who was actually good at law school instead of relying on LSAT/GPA), then you'll need give a better one.



This is stupid. It's all about rankings and money. Accepting them as 1Ls lowers LSAT/GPA stats. Accepting them as transfers allows for high performing students to pay full tuitioin without reporting stats.


No, your post is stupid.
If all the schools would just admit those extra students the first year, it would hurt none of their ratings, since they would all take the hit of admitting those students.
If Harvard admits an extra 30 a year, and Columbia an extra 75, and NYU an extra 60, etc., there would still be the exact same rankings. Harvard's extra 30 will come from Columbia. Columbia's extra 75 and NYU's 60 will come from lower T14s, etc.



Your reasoning is marvelous.

1- You cannot force every school to do anything all at once.

2- How could a school know which students with lower scores to accept for that extra year of tuition? The reason transfers get in is becasue they performed extremely well at a lower ranked school in spite of lower scores and gpas. This would not be true in your world.

3- Accepting lower reported lsats and gpas IS NOT WOTH THE MONEY TO THEM. They get more money by having excellent graduates who donate to the school after having successful careers. This doesn't work if you accept a bunch of unknowns who end up failing out -- all for that extra year of tuition.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby ben4847 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:20 pm

Mce252 wrote:
ben4847 wrote:
Mce252 wrote:
ben4847 wrote:It has nothing to do with money. Anyone who transfers into a school would have been thrilled to come and pay full tuition the year before as well. Thus, the incoming schools could have had 3 years of full tuition from them instead of 2.

If you don't believe the stated explanation (that the wanted to see who was actually good at law school instead of relying on LSAT/GPA), then you'll need give a better one.



This is stupid. It's all about rankings and money. Accepting them as 1Ls lowers LSAT/GPA stats. Accepting them as transfers allows for high performing students to pay full tuitioin without reporting stats.


No, your post is stupid.
If all the schools would just admit those extra students the first year, it would hurt none of their ratings, since they would all take the hit of admitting those students.
If Harvard admits an extra 30 a year, and Columbia an extra 75, and NYU an extra 60, etc., there would still be the exact same rankings. Harvard's extra 30 will come from Columbia. Columbia's extra 75 and NYU's 60 will come from lower T14s, etc.



Your reasoning is marvelous.

Thank you, that is because I am so marvelous.
Mce252 wrote: 1- You cannot force every school to do anything all at once.


Of course not. Neither can anyone force Columbia to not cut its class size down to 100 and likely gain an edge over Stanford.
The point is, that if Harvard simply took the next 30 LSAT/GPA's from Columbia, they would not fall in the rankings, because they would be taking from the relative top of Columbia's LSAT/GPA. And Columbia would have to dip even lower to just make up those 30, even if they didn't take an extra 75.
Mce252 wrote:2- How could a school know which students with lower scores to accept for that extra year of tuition? The reason transfers get in is becasue they performed extremely well at a lower ranked school in spite of lower scores and gpas. This would not be true in your world.


This is precisely the point. That schools are not looking for just any students as transfers. They are looking for ones who have proven themselves in 1L. And it explains precisely why schools wait the year to accept those 30, instead of taking the next 30 LSAT/GPA scorers.
Mce252 wrote:3- Accepting lower reported lsats and gpas IS NOT WOTH THE MONEY TO THEM. They get more money by having excellent graduates who donate to the school after having successful careers. This doesn't work if you accept a bunch of unknowns who end up failing out -- all for that extra year of tuition.


Agreed. I think we agree.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby Mce252 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:10 pm

Agreed. I think we agree.


First, I'm stupid. Now you agree. Mitt Romney would love you.

I assure you that the professionals who work in law school admissions have thought about this a bit. And the system isn't the way it is because of arbitrary decisions. But maybe they're all wrong and Harvard should just start accepting a few students as 1Ls who wouldn't ordinarly meet their standards. :shock:

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby TTRansfer » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:08 pm

Mce252 wrote:
Agreed. I think we agree.


First, I'm stupid. Now you agree. Mitt Romney would love you.

I assure you that the professionals who work in law school admissions have thought about this a bit. And the system isn't the way it is because of arbitrary decisions. But maybe they're all wrong and Harvard should just start accepting a few students as 1Ls who wouldn't ordinarly meet their standards. :shock:


So you are agreeably stupid! :lol:

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby susancollins » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:51 am

After starting law school, some law students seek to transfer to another law school. This occurs frequently enough to warrant advice and information. There are many reasons that law students seek to transfer, including financial reasons, job relocation of a spouse or partner, or to be closer to family. Occasionally, law students will seek a transfer to another law school that they perceive as having a higher status or ranking.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby Mce252 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:12 am

susancollins wrote:After starting law school, some law students seek to transfer to another law school. This occurs frequently enough to warrant advice and information. There are many reasons that law students seek to transfer, including financial reasons, job relocation of a spouse or partner, or to be closer to family. Occasionally, law students will seek a transfer to another law school that they perceive as having a higher status or ranking.


This is the second robot-like transfer post I've read from this user.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby Guchster » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:17 am

johansantana21 wrote:
Also lol at being proud of NYU transfer. Couldn't get into Columbia bro? Don't worry, I'll let you know how it is at Harvard if I choose to transfer there.


lol johan is going hard ITT

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby reasonable_man » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:40 am

Why Do LSs accept so many transfers???


Why? TITCR:


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The argument that accepting too many transfers might dilute the class, hurt some at OCI or might not be a good thing for the transfer students is always secondary to the primary concern of all law school admins... That is, how do we extract as much money from the student body as possibile? The answer is, of course, to expand the size of the class. And on top of it, there is no LSAT/GPA hit to worry about. I'm surprised schools aren't taking on 500 transfers each.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby TTRansfer » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:29 am

reasonable_man wrote:Why Do LSs accept so many transfers???


Why? TITCR:


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The argument that accepting too many transfers might dilute the class, hurt some at OCI or might not be a good thing for the transfer students is always secondary to the primary concern of all law school admins... That is, how do we extract as much money from the student body as possibile? The answer is, of course, to expand the size of the class. And on top of it, there is no LSAT/GPA hit to worry about. I'm surprised schools aren't taking on 500 transfers each.


Eh, taking 500 transfers would COMPLETELY fuck over their starting class. They'd never get anyone go to 1L! Admittedly, it'd be a great idea to have a law school just do the fuck away with 1L and ONLY take transfers. Just steal the other school's best students.

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Re: Why do schools accept so many transfers?

Postby concurrent fork » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:26 pm

susancollins wrote:After starting law school, some law students seek to transfer to another law school. This occurs frequently enough to warrant advice and information. There are many reasons that law students seek to transfer, including financial reasons, job relocation of a spouse or partner, or to be closer to family. Occasionally, law students will seek a transfer to another law school that they perceive as having a higher status or ranking.

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