Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

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Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby TFR » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:41 pm

Is there any evidence in transfer admissions that transfer commitees would prefer some excellence over complete mediocrity?

For example (A+,A+,B+,B) v. (A-,A-,A-,A-)

Stated another way, how much do individual grades way in?

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby metblvette » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:48 pm

First of all, an A- is definitely not mediocre at most schools. Second, I don't think it would matter to them as much. While your potential to get an A+ is great, your potential to get a B is just as great. I think the overall GPA is what matters.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby JoeFish » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:37 am

I've heard it might actually look a tiny, tiny, tiny bit better to have all As and A-s rather than a bunch of As and a B, because then you can kind of say "I got all 'A's". But yeah it probably doesn't matter much at all either way.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby Mce252 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:56 am

TFR wrote:Is there any evidence in transfer admissions that transfer commitees would prefer some excellence over complete mediocrity?

For example (A+,A+,B+,B) v. (A-,A-,A-,A-)

Stated another way, how much do individual grades way in?


IMO, the all A- transcript looks a little better because consistency is important.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby jessuf » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:52 am

It makes more sense to look at overall GPA and rank because not all schools grade the same. Some schools do A+, some don't. At my school, grades are numerical. A, etc. does not exist. Some number grades can be matched up to letter grades. E.g. 4.0 is obviously an A. However, some of the other numbers don't match up with anything.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby Mce252 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:10 pm

Jessuf wrote:It makes more sense to look at overall GPA and rank because not all schools grade the same. Some schools do A+, some don't. At my school, grades are numerical. A, etc. does not exist. Some number grades can be matched up to letter grades. E.g. 4.0 is obviously an A. However, some of the other numbers don't match up with anything.


How does that affect whether variation among the grades (whether numerical, alphabetical or hyroglyphic) is better or worse than all of them being the same? Even if your school gives out numbers, I think OP was asking whether a 2,2,4 and 4 looks different to reviewers than a 4,4,4,4. Every admissions department has a way to convert your transcript into something that can be compared to everyone elses' transcript.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby jessuf » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:50 pm

Mce252 wrote:
Jessuf wrote:It makes more sense to look at overall GPA and rank because not all schools grade the same. Some schools do A+, some don't. At my school, grades are numerical. A, etc. does not exist. Some number grades can be matched up to letter grades. E.g. 4.0 is obviously an A. However, some of the other numbers don't match up with anything.


How does that affect whether variation among the grades (whether numerical, alphabetical or hyroglyphic) is better or worse than all of them being the same? Even if your school gives out numbers, I think OP was asking whether a 2,2,4 and 4 looks different to reviewers than a 4,4,4,4. Every admissions department has a way to convert your transcript into something that can be compared to everyone elses' transcript.


I hate coming onto these message boards just to argue about something really pointless. OP was asking if 3.75, 3.75, 3.75, 3.75 looks better than 4.25, 4.25, 3.25, 3.25, if put numerically. Because the admissions offices need to compare applicant A's grades to applicant B's grades, they need to find a way to do this, as you stated. Because many schools grade differently than the typical A+, A, A- format, it makes more sense to me for them to compare two applicants by comparing ranks, looking at overall GPA, and looking at the median GPA for the school.

With that said, I think that once you hit T6 area, the admissions offices probably pay more attention to individual grades. I can see Harvard not being too pleased with someone getting a B or B- in a course even if their other grades are all A+.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby quiver » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:20 pm

TFR wrote:Is there any evidence in transfer admissions that transfer commitees would prefer some excellence over complete mediocrity?
No, there is no evidence of this.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby TTRansfer » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:14 pm

quiver wrote:
TFR wrote:Is there any evidence in transfer admissions that transfer commitees would prefer some excellence over complete mediocrity?
No, there is no evidence of this.


Yep. Having done far, far too much research on this, I would say that the only evidence of anything in transfers is that schools want your money if you have a certain GPA. Not any real grade outline.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby TFR » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:20 pm

Thanks, my question was basically if an A+ could offset a B, or the B's could hurt an overall solid GPA and raise a "red flag".

It seems that only really selective schools would have a real concern.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby tww909 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:07 pm

totally anecdotal, but my transcript had a couple Bs on it and i transferred from wisconsin to SLS.

i don't think it's dispositive either way though.

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Re: Individual Grades v. Overall GPA

Postby Mce252 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:58 pm

Jessuf wrote:
Mce252 wrote:
Jessuf wrote:It makes more sense to look at overall GPA and rank because not all schools grade the same. Some schools do A+, some don't. At my school, grades are numerical. A, etc. does not exist. Some number grades can be matched up to letter grades. E.g. 4.0 is obviously an A. However, some of the other numbers don't match up with anything.


How does that affect whether variation among the grades (whether numerical, alphabetical or hyroglyphic) is better or worse than all of them being the same? Even if your school gives out numbers, I think OP was asking whether a 2,2,4 and 4 looks different to reviewers than a 4,4,4,4. Every admissions department has a way to convert your transcript into something that can be compared to everyone elses' transcript.


I hate coming onto these message boards just to argue about something really pointless. OP was asking if 3.75, 3.75, 3.75, 3.75 looks better than 4.25, 4.25, 3.25, 3.25, if put numerically. Because the admissions offices need to compare applicant A's grades to applicant B's grades, they need to find a way to do this, as you stated. Because many schools grade differently than the typical A+, A, A- format, it makes more sense to me for them to compare two applicants by comparing ranks, looking at overall GPA, and looking at the median GPA for the school.

With that said, I think that once you hit T6 area, the admissions offices probably pay more attention to individual grades. I can see Harvard not being too pleased with someone getting a B or B- in a course even if their other grades are all A+.


I understand what you're saying but you missed my point. I was merely pointing out that if a school had two students with identical overall ranks, there could be marginal value in the fact that one student got his or her rank by being consistent as opposed to the other who did extremely well in some and mediocre in others. And they could see this regardless of how the school assigns grades. I realize this is splitting hairs here.




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