rutgers-camden outbound to T14

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jamchu
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rutgers-camden outbound to T14

Postby jamchu » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:09 pm

i am looking to transfer to one of the t14 schools after my 1L at rutgers and just wanted to know what odds i am up against.
although this is all hypothetical scenario with only a limited chance of becoming true in the next one year, i just wanted to set a reasonable goal going forward.

1L GPA: 3.8+
UGPA: 3.5
GGPA: 3.77 (I have a graduate degree)
LSAT: 166

would this be enough to transfer out to t14 from rutgers-camden?

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Grizz
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Re: rutgers-camden outbound to T14

Postby Grizz » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:12 pm

Go find Arrow's thread and read that. This 0L hypo is dumb. Transferring is not a reasonable goal, and you are up against horrific odds.

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Richie Tenenbaum
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Re: rutgers-camden outbound to T14

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:15 pm

jamchu wrote:i am looking to transfer to one of the t14 schools after my 1L at rutgers and just wanted to know what odds i am up against.
although this is all hypothetical scenario with only a limited chance of becoming true in the next one year, i just wanted to set a reasonable goal going forward.

1L GPA: 3.8+
UGPA: 3.5
GGPA: 3.77 (I have a graduate degree)
LSAT: 166

would this be enough to transfer out to t14 from rutgers-camden?


Your 1L GPA is what primarily matters. And you have a better chance at getting into a T14 if you sit out a year and retake the LSAT. You will have more control over your LSAT score than you will over your 1L grades.

Also, see viewtopic.php?f=27&t=124519

1) Do not post here asking about transfer odds from a school you're considering attending.

The near-universal response you will get is that you should never attend a school specifically intending to transfer. There are two reasons for this.

The first is that 95% of transfer admissions is your 1L grades, and you can't predict in advance how well you're going to do your 1L year. If you intend to transfer up a tier, you're going to need to do very well your first year, probably top 10% or better. The problem is, everyone is going to be trying to be in the top 10% of their class their first year, and if 100% of the class is trying to be in the top 10%, 90% will be disappointed. And since there's no way to know where you'll do until you actually finish 1L year, you have no way of knowing as a 0L whether you'll be in the top 10% or the disappointed 90% until you actually are.

The second is that transferring schools means you leave behind professors that you built up a reputation with and are starting over. This is why even lateral transfers, which are a lot more possible, are typically regarded as dumb. You're leaving behind all the good things you built up at your first year of school and not gaining any new employment opportunities because you're not transferring upward at all. If you plan on attending school X for a year and then transfer to similarly-ranked school Y, you should've just attended school Y in the first place.

The typical answer you're going to get, if you can't get into school Y, is to take a year, fix whatever is causing you to not get into school Y (retake the LSAT, get more WE, etc.), and reapply. That is, honestly, both easier and better for you than transferring. Transferring is a bitch, do not count on it.

If you're merely curious about what transfer possibilities are available for those who do really well at a particular school, you can read through old threads here to see how people did in previous cycles, or go search for the Yahoo! group "transferapps" and read through their material. Or read Arrow's excellent guide to transferring, available here: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=82937

But do not start new threads about transfer chances if you're a 0L. Those don't belong here.

kaiser
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Re: rutgers-camden outbound to T14

Postby kaiser » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:16 pm

Im going to make this as clear as possible. Unless you are completely, absolutely, 100% happy graduating from your school, DO NOT ATTEND THE SCHOOL. And if you are even having passing thoughts of transferring before you start, that is a clear indication you would not be 100% happy graduating from the school. There is NOTHING that could lead to even a halfway reasonable prediction of what your transfer chances would be or how you will perform in law school. Grading can be arbitrary, tiny things can raise or drop your score, the formatvis entirely new, intelligence does not directly correlate with grades, etc.

Bottom line: Put this question far out of your mind

ms2010
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Re: rutgers-camden outbound to T14

Postby ms2010 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:19 pm

kaiser wrote:Im going to make this as clear as possible. Unless you are completely, absolutely, 100% happy graduating from your school, DO NOT ATTEND THE SCHOOL. And if you are even having passing thoughts of transferring before you start, that is a clear indication you would not be 100% happy graduating from the school. There is NOTHING that could lead to even a halfway reasonable prediction of what your transfer chances would be or how you will perform in law school. Grading can be arbitrary, tiny things can raise or drop your score, the formatvis entirely new, intelligence does not directly correlate with grades, etc.

Bottom line: Put this question far out of your mind


+1

Not only are 1L grades difficult to predict, but so are transfer admissions.

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Re: rutgers-camden outbound to T14

Postby Helmholtz » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:35 pm

obvious troll is obvious




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