NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

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NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby cosmopolitan » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:15 am

I know there's already been a lot of talk about this type of thing, but I'm at NYU and made LR and applied to transfer to H (admitted) and Y (nothing yet). I'm working as a SA at a V10 firm.

The only conceivable reason why I'd even consider transferring in this situation is that I may be interested in non-legal jobs down the line and am wondering if H or Y would help me out more in that situation.

What do people think?

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby vanwinkle » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:17 am

Leaving behind LR at NYU when you don't have a good reason to is just crazy. Why even consider it at this point?

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby thecilent » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:22 am

vanwinkle wrote:Leaving behind LR at NYU when you don't have a good reason to is just crazy. Why even consider it at this point?

cosmopolitan wrote:The only conceivable reason why I'd even consider transferring in this situation is that I may be interested in non-legal jobs down the line and am wondering if H or Y would help me out more in that situation.

Interesting.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby flcath » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:27 am

No, brah.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby bhan87 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:29 am

Don't do it. The only way you'd get an improvement is if you made LR at HY. Want to take the chance?

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby cosmopolitan » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:08 pm

bhan87 wrote:Don't do it. The only way you'd get an improvement is if you made LR at HY. Want to take the chance?


I didn't try for LR at H, don't know anything about transfers making it on to LR at Y.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby D.Wilde » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:12 pm

I concur with the general "don't transfer" motif of this thread. The only reason I'd transfer in your position is if I absolutely despised NYC and/or I had unshakable desperate dreams of academia (and even then, the last one would still be a huge gamble).

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby bhan87 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:14 pm

D.Wilde wrote:I concur with the general "don't transfer" motif of this thread. The only reason I'd transfer in your position is if I absolutely despised NYC and/or I had unshakable desperate dreams of academia (and even then, the last one would still be a huge gamble).


I think the OP would have a better shot at academia staying at NYU. By transferring they lose LR and valuable sources of LORs, which means their chances at clerkships will probably go down.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby BruceWayne » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:19 pm

vanwinkle wrote:Leaving behind LR at NYU when you don't have a good reason to is just crazy. Why even consider it at this point?

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby D.Wilde » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:22 pm

bhan87 wrote:
D.Wilde wrote:I concur with the general "don't transfer" motif of this thread. The only reason I'd transfer in your position is if I absolutely despised NYC and/or I had unshakable desperate dreams of academia (and even then, the last one would still be a huge gamble).


I think the OP would have a better shot at academia staying at NYU. By transferring they lose LR and valuable sources of LORs, which means their chances at clerkships will probably go down.


Ok, this seems like as good a place as any to have a mini-rant about the "common knowledge" that by transferring you "lose . . . valuable sources of LORs." I don't know where people are getting this from, but nearly every transfer I know has not "lost" any sources of LORs. I know well over a dozen transfers who have easily stayed in touch with some 1L professors through various means and have successfully solicited excellent recommendations from them. Hell, the professors who recommended you for transfer admission clearly have invested themselves already in your sucess and advancement in the legal field, why would they stop now that their first letter was successful? While this "loss" may happen for some, in my experience it is by no means a definite or even the common transfer experience.

Losing LR may hurt a bit, although HLS allows transfers to walk onto any secondary journal, and there are many professors here who are unbelievably supportive about helping to get students' work published.

All of that being said, I still don't think OP should transfer because it's a large risk with only a marginal gain for a very specific field that's a huge gamble anyway.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby glitched » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:23 pm

off topic to op:

did you do any 0L prep? oh and can i have your outlines? lol congrats.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby thecilent » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:25 pm

glitched wrote:off topic to op:

did you do any 0L prep? oh and can i have your outlines? lol congrats.

Hahaha

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby cosmopolitan » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:20 pm

D.Wilde wrote:I concur with the general "don't transfer" motif of this thread. The only reason I'd transfer in your position is if I absolutely despised NYC and/or I had unshakable desperate dreams of academia (and even then, the last one would still be a huge gamble).


This is definitely not my situation. The only non-legal jobs I could see myself pursuing are in diplomacy/international politics. And I love New York.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby D.Wilde » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:44 pm

cosmopolitan wrote:
D.Wilde wrote:I concur with the general "don't transfer" motif of this thread. The only reason I'd transfer in your position is if I absolutely despised NYC and/or I had unshakable desperate dreams of academia (and even then, the last one would still be a huge gamble).


This is definitely not my situation. The only non-legal jobs I could see myself pursuing are in diplomacy/international politics. And I love New York.


Stay.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby Stanford4Me » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:10 pm

Congrats on LR, btw.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby cosmopolitan » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:22 pm

Stanford4Me wrote:Congrats on LR, btw.


Thanks, Stanford4Me! That's nice of you.

Thanks, everyone, for your input. Does no one think I should make a switch? Also, does anyone know what it's like to write on to YLJ as a transfer?

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby unc0mm0n1 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:25 pm

Stanford4Me wrote:Congrats on LR, btw.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby D.Wilde » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:11 pm

Stanford4Me wrote:Congrats on LR, btw.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby cosmopolitan » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:47 am

OP here -- so can no one think of a good reason to go? I agree that this seems pretty clear. It's just so odd because ... it's H.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby D.Wilde » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:26 am

cosmopolitan wrote:OP here -- so can no one think of a good reason to go? I agree that this seems pretty clear. It's just so odd because ... it's H.


That right there is pretty much the only reason to go. H is awesome, transfering has been an unbelievable experience for me, and for the rest of your life anytime most people ask or look up where you went to law school, they will immediately be super-impressed. For some people, that alone is worth the transfer. However, NYU + LR is nothing to scoff at either, and in terms of pure career development prospects, it seems like you'd be giving up something pretty significant (NYU LR) for nothing but a bit more oomph to the "ooh-la-la" factor of your degree.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby notanumber » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:46 am

The only other reason I could conceivably think of to transfer would be money. If NYU isn't giving you any and you're poor or old enough to get a big scholarship then you could save ~60K by moving to a different school. Loan repayment options might also be more compelling elsewhere.

But overall it seems like moving would be a very difficult thing to justify.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby vanwinkle » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:24 pm

D.Wilde wrote:
cosmopolitan wrote:OP here -- so can no one think of a good reason to go? I agree that this seems pretty clear. It's just so odd because ... it's H.

That right there is pretty much the only reason to go. H is awesome, transfering has been an unbelievable experience for me, and for the rest of your life anytime most people ask or look up where you went to law school, they will immediately be super-impressed. For some people, that alone is worth the transfer. However, NYU + LR is nothing to scoff at either, and in terms of pure career development prospects, it seems like you'd be giving up something pretty significant (NYU LR) for nothing but a bit more oomph to the "ooh-la-la" factor of your degree.

Huge +1 to this.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby Renzo » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:35 pm

cosmopolitan wrote:OP here -- so can no one think of a good reason to go? I agree that this seems pretty clear. It's just so odd because ... it's H.


Or, to paraphrase D.Wilde, if you are a person who really, really wants to be able to start sentences with "when I was at Harvard..." you should transfer. Otherwise, not so much.

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby flcath » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:38 pm

D.Wilde wrote:
cosmopolitan wrote:OP here -- so can no one think of a good reason to go? I agree that this seems pretty clear. It's just so odd because ... it's H.


That right there is pretty much the only reason to go. H is awesome, transfering has been an unbelievable experience for me, and for the rest of your life anytime most people ask or look up where you went to law school, they will immediately be super-impressed. For some people, that alone is worth the transfer. However, NYU + LR is nothing to scoff at either, and in terms of pure career development prospects, it seems like you'd be giving up something pretty significant (NYU LR) for nothing but a bit more oomph to the "ooh-la-la" factor of your degree.

+1

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Re: NYU w/LR --> H/Y?

Postby thesealocust » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:46 pm

Stay. The world in which you thought Harvard was 'better' than NYU was the world where you were applying to law schools and didn't know what grades or accolades you would receive. Your position wipes the floor with wide swaths of the Harvard class, and every real world metric points towards keeping your ass in your seat at NYU.

BruceWayne wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:Leaving behind LR at NYU when you don't have a good reason to is just crazy. Why even consider it at this point?


QF agreeing completely with BruceWayne.

Renzo wrote:
cosmopolitan wrote:OP here -- so can no one think of a good reason to go? I agree that this seems pretty clear. It's just so odd because ... it's H.


Or, to paraphrase D.Wilde, if you are a person who really, really wants to be able to start sentences with "when I was at Harvard..." you should transfer. Otherwise, not so much.


QF Snark.




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