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Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby sethc » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:08 pm

Hey all, I want to first point out that I have a SIMILAR threat going on the regular ol' Law Students forum that kind of expands on my concerns (for those that may frequent here, there, or both) but it's not the same.. so don't take a 1st glance and think I'm over-posting. [tl;dr = this is transfer-specific, other post is 1L S

I realize it's a bit presumptuous to get wrapped up in thinking about it, but with finals over I figure it's at least safer now than before. Also, as a kind of preliminary thing - yes, I have read the stickied posts about transferring (Arrow's etc.) and am graciously thankful and they did answer a lot of questions I probably would have thrown in here. However those seem to speak to mediocre/slightly less --> T14 & low ranked --> T14. I'm more in the boat of T3/4 --> T2 (i.e. Top 75-125 ranking-wise, I guess) so I feel like some of the stuff in those sticky's isn't necessarily applicable to me.

I'm currently a 1L at a T3/4 (haven't kept up with official rankings in awhile) and have absolutely busted ass. My midterms (crim/Ks/torts) were 20q m/c and wound up having an overall average score according to the professors' generalizations/averages over the years.

Anyway, I am originally from KY and want to get back. My LSAT was weak sauce, took it 3x, (though UGPA ~ 3.7ish & Grad GPA = 4.0) so there was no point in applying for initial admission to UK, U of L, or NKY and was sort of in a position to take what was offered if I was going to make a serious attempt at law school - in other words, it was now or pretty much never kind of thing. I was given a 25% scholarship at my current school and as expected, first-term was nutso. But I have absolutely busted ass and studied hard. I felt hugely overwhelmed in the beginning 1/3 of the semester, and my place has some decent scheduling flexibility and dropped from 5 classes to 4 (Ks/Torts/Crim/Prop & dropped ConLaw, FWIW). Grades not being in yet keeps me from conclusively saying whether that was a good decision or a bad one.. but I will say that I have not regretted it on iota since so doing. I feel absolutely WAY more confident than I thought I would be after taking all of my finals, but by no means am I under the impression of having aced everything.. but totally BOMBING would do more to surprise me than not, if that makes any sense.

For what it's worth, for each exam, I was more or less in the same boat in terms of confidence/performance as the other people I spoke with and talked about exams with. The exception is Torts.. m/c was "mehh" and could go either way, essay #1 was short/limited analysis and felt great about that.. but the 2nd essay was snarling, monstrous, beast of a test. IRAC went out the window and I typed right up until the last second.. I feel like I probably got the majority of issues I needed to, but reasoning/flow etc. was off quite bad.. the upshot is that everyone else is shellshocked too. I'm not one to blame or make excuses, usually, but I suspect part of my concentration and thus time management was REALLY thrown off because my strategy going in (exam was closed-book) was to immediately doing an outline dump on my Exam4 software and going from there - which is perfectly acceptable in terms of the honor code and it was even recommended by several professors - but after typing about 15min I had my eyes closed and my hand on my forehead trying to recall some concepts/outline stuff when I got the SHIT startled out of me by a proctor that more or less thought I was cheating, but finally went away after I explained what I was doing.. but the paranoia and thoughts of an honor code violation would NOT exit my mind.. I even seriously almost pissed in my pants because I was paranoid to go to the bathroom thinking that would make me look worse.

I realize that where I want to transfer (ideally UK) to will undoubtedly give me a boost in overall prestige, but that honestly doesn't have much to do with why I'm transferring. Though I certainly have the goal to practice law, if the only way of getting a law degree is from a T3/4 then so be it, I have the benefit of some pretty good financial fallbacks if the economy/job thing becomes that much of a barrier to income and, well, living life basically. The main reason I want to transfer is family/personal issues that continue to grow larger and it's such a complicated, lengthy, serious scenario that quitting/postponing law school would not be the best option, hell not even a good option, really.

I'd be foregoing a 25% scholarship, which would obviously be a shitty drawback.. but I guess what I'm asking is what sort of ranking/grades should I expect to have before trying to transfer to a school in the ~T75-150 area? Sure, if I got smoked everything and got all As (hiiiiighly unlikely) I'd give a couple of the T20s at least a shot.. but it's not T20-or-die for me.. and the idea is mainly to get closer to home and my family if AT ALL possible and UK fits the bill nicely.. but so would the other KY schools.. and I guess if it got right down to it, I'd sure give moving up (ranking-wise) a try if the KY schools were somehow weren't an option as long as the distance is no further than it is now, which is about ~8-10hrs of driving. If I can't be any closer, but no further, then I may as well improve where I can i.e. prestige

So, I'll be continuing the 4-class thing, I suppose. I won't know my grades until well-into the upcoming term, so if they turn out to be shit then I guess a heavier load wouldn't help anything. Thus, best-case scenario I wind up with 8 classes=24creds (no LRW yet) and good/decent/great grades [not even gonna try speculating on rank or anything out of superstition lol] versus worst-case (outside of total bombage) if my grades from 1st term turn out to be shitty or less-than-good/avg then I'll probably just forget about transferring altogether.

Thanks *A TON* in advance for any advice/insight.. you guys have helped me a lot this semester on this board.. oh and sorry for the length :?

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby random5483 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:44 am

Most law schools require applicants to have completed 30 units prior to giving serious consideration to the applicant. Taking less than 30 units is usually not considered a full load and you are unlikely to be considered.

Even schools that consider less than 30 units are unlikely to consider 24 units. You should look up the transfer unit requirements for the school you wish to transfer to and determine whether or not you even have the ability to transfer there now.

With that said, going to a T3 or T4 does not prevent a transfer to to T1 or even a T14. Transfering to a university in the 50-100 range (T2) or 100-125 range (T3...though T3s are technically not ranked) will be easier. Some of the guides here provide good advice on transfer gpa information. If you rank in the top 10% you can likely transfer to a T2. Top 5% you can likely transfer to a T1. Top 1% you can likely transfer to a T14. None of these are "sure things", but you have a shot.

Since you are taking a less than fulltime course-load (guessing more than a regular partime course load), you are unlikely to have a decent shot of a transfer even if you rank top of your class. Perhaps if you are able to take a full load next semester and end in the 27-30 unit range you might have a better shot.

I seriously recommend you look up the transfer requirements for the schools you are interested in.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby CanadianWolf » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:23 am

OP: Try to streamline your post as it is not clear as to your specific question. For example, what is the "unique" aspect of your situation referred to in your heading ?

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby patrickd139 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:38 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:OP: Try to streamline your post as it is not clear as to your specific question. For example, what is the "unique" aspect of your situation referred to in your heading ?

I actually read the entire OP this time around. The "unique" aspect is that OP dropped one class each semester and has only 24 hours. OP edit for the tl;dr crowd:

sethc wrote:
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I have read the stickied posts about transferring (Arrow's etc.) and am graciously thankful and they did answer a lot of questions I probably would have thrown in here.
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I'm currently a 1L at a T3/4.
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Anyway, I am originally from KY and want to get back....I felt hugely overwhelmed in the beginning 1/3 of the semester, and my place has some decent scheduling flexibility and dropped from 5 classes to 4 (Ks/Torts/Crim/Prop & dropped ConLaw, FWIW).
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The main reason I want to transfer is family/personal issues.
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I'd be foregoing a 25% scholarship....[W]hat sort of ranking/grades should I expect to have before trying to transfer to a school in the ~T75-150 area?...[T]he idea is mainly to get closer to home and my family if AT ALL possible and UK fits the bill nicely.. but so would the other KY schools.


OP: Dropping the class is not going to help you. However, I don't know that it's necessarily going to sink your chances either. The main disadvantage is that now you have two extra classes to make up between now and graduation. That likely means summer school or an obscene course load your 2L or 3L year.

Either way, you need to wait until your grades come back for the entire 1L year before you worry about this. I don't believe any of the schools in KY have an early admissions program for transfers, so keep busting ass next semester and come back when you have your entire first year under your belt. As for percentages and grades, I'm no expert on KY schools in general, but if you're at a similarly-ranked school and have incredibly legitimate personal reasons to transfer, then you should be fine at or around the median. The higher you go up the rankings, the higher your grades/rank will have to be to have a shot. For KY, if you're coming from Cooley, I'd say you'd probably need top 25%, maybe closer to top 15%. The transfer game gets more and more ridiculous and unpredictable every year, so the best you can do is look at the transferapps database on yahoo, and cull through the transfer threads on this site. Also, call UK, tell them your situation (T3/4 student, from KY, wants to come back, only took 24 hours this year) and see what they say you need.

Good luck making it back!

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby sethc » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:23 pm

Hey guys I really apologize it's taken me this long to respond - it looks selfish of me. Thanks for both responses (@patrickd & @random5483) - they both helped a lot. I realize that without knowing my actual school, 5 classes = 15 credits = normal in terms of most law schools. But with all the nuances and the differences in how they do things here, I'm not so sure that's absolutely true personally. I haven't spoken with anyone about the issue primarily because the staff/faculty here have an obvious conflict-of-interest and I don't feel like I would get an ounce of anything that was truth/fact from them.. and asking students I'm in class with is well, you know--relative: "well, i heard..." etc.

The upshot is that of the 4 finals I took (passed a P/F shit Intro, 0-credit course like most) I have 1 posted so far and it was a B in CrimLaw. The scale is A,A- etc but I won't know my rank and what how I'm looking vs. "median" until everything is official in about 2wks. I'll never complain at a B in law school, but I'm kind of let down because it was the only A that I was actually counting on as being a possibility.. especially considering how I felt walking out of Torts exam (gulp).

patrickd139 wrote: The main disadvantage is that now you have two extra classes to make up between now and graduation. That likely means summer school or an obscene course load your 2L or 3L year.

I agree and have been totally cognizant of that. It actually was a big stresser for me, for the longest time. I'm fine with picking up the slack - if I've done enough to be able to transfer to UK etc. then there's no reason that making up for 2 "slacking" classes should be a problem. Ideally, I could do this during summer.. but if transferring means only postponing graduation another semester or so then I'm fine with that, seriously.

patrickd139 wrote:Either way, you need to wait until your grades come back for the entire 1L year before you worry about this. I don't believe any of the schools in KY have an early admissions program for transfers, so keep busting ass next semester and come back when you have your entire first year under your belt. As for percentages and grades, I'm no expert on KY schools in general, but if you're at a similarly-ranked school and have incredibly legitimate personal reasons to transfer, then you should be fine at or around the median. The higher you go up the rankings, the higher your grades/rank will have to be to have a shot. For KY, if you're coming from Cooley, I'd say you'd probably need top 25%, maybe closer to top 15%. The transfer game gets more and more ridiculous and unpredictable every year, so the best you can do is look at the transferapps database on yahoo, and cull through the transfer threads on this site. Also, call UK, tell them your situation (T3/4 student, from KY, wants to come back, only took 24 hours this year) and see what they say you need.

Good luck making it back!


Yeah, you're pretty much spot-on about KY schools (or at least UK) from every source that I have gathered information from about the issue. I think it's closer to top-25% as being sort of the "green light" to do the trick for transferring. Of course that's relative every. single. year. just like you said.. so anything beyond it is certainly going to suck for sure, but as long as it's not a gross deviation then I'm confident enough to try.

Also, I'm not trying to step on toes AT ALL when I ask you what you mean by incredibly legitimate personal reasons? You don't have to go anything personal of course, but I'm just curious how that's defined from an admissions perspective in terms of transferring? Like, for example, I was a complete IDIOT (my own fault) when I sent my first application to UK -- I shouldn't have even sent one at all, frankly. I'm sure my app had some clerical errors here and there, and my personal statement might have been a little disorganized (but not too long) however my LSAT just wouldn't have cut it for a 1st time applicant. My question to you is that since my personal statement is going to contain essentially the same "reasons" or "issues" for applying to UK Law -- is that detrimental for me? Not to mention I don't think I re-took the LSAT since they got an app from me (LSAT 3x but have to look if I applied more than once) and I just don't want to come off like I'm "using" that stuff as a reason to go to a good school. (I know, UK's rank is definitely speaking in a relative manner lol I just mean transferring-up in general)


OH also, what of the transfer situation at Univ of Mich? If I struck out on KY schools, but still had a shot at a vertical transfer.. would it make sense to take a stab at applying there even though they're like ~T25 (right?)? Their numbers show a clear tendency to be receptive to transfer students consistently - like every year.. not sure why that is so that's why I figured throwing it in here.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby random5483 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:42 pm

Univ of Mich is a T10. Transferring to Univ of Mich will be very hard from a T3 or T4 unless you are in the top 5% of your class. With good reasons for transferring, a top 10% might get you in, but it is unlikely. Even with a top 5% ranking there is a decent chance that a T3 or T4 transfer will not get accepted into the top 10-14 schools. With that said, if you manage to place in the top 5% you have a competitive chance.

Do not overly rely on how you feel after taking your exams. I thought I bombed Torts, but I booked it. How you feel after an exam does not always equate how you did since others might have done a lot worse than you.

With that said, you need to be significantly above the curve. A B average will kill your transfer chances unless you are going to a school with an extremely low curve. Most T3s and T4s have a 2.67 or 3.0 curve. With such a curve, a 3.0 average will not place you high enough in the class to transfer to a T1, let alone a T14. However, do not feel discouraged. As long as you get a mix of A's and B's this semester and pull off slightly better grades next semester you should have a viable shot at transferring to another school (just not Univ of Mich Ann Arbor unless you are at the very top).

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby sethc » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:02 pm

random5483 wrote:Univ of Mich is a T10. Transferring to Univ of Mich will be very hard from a T3 or T4 unless you are in the top 5% of your class. With good reasons for transferring, a top 10% might get you in, but it is unlikely. Even with a top 5% ranking there is a decent chance that a T3 or T4 transfer will not get accepted into the top 10-14 schools. With that said, if you manage to place in the top 5% you have a competitive chance.


Right, it's an impressive school no question. I only mentioned it because of a possible Cooley->Mich correlation or relationship? If that were to be the case, is this normal for a low-rank/high-rank to have some kind of symbiotic transfer thing going on? An example of what I'm asking is would there be some kind of similarity with, say, Appalachian->UK/UL/NKU as Cooley->Michigan?? Or maybe like Valpo->IU or Miami->Univ FL? Hopefully those clear my shit up lol

random5483 wrote: Do not overly rely on how you feel after taking your exams. I thought I bombed Torts, but I booked it. How you feel after an exam does not always equate how you did since others might have done a lot worse than you.


Thanks for reinforcing this [no sarcasm!] for me. I've seriously told myself this every single day since finals.

random5483 wrote:With that said, you need to be significantly above the curve. A B average will kill your transfer chances unless you are going to a school with an extremely low curve. Most T3s and T4s have a 2.67 or 3.0 curve. With such a curve, a 3.0 average will not place you high enough in the class to transfer to a T1, let alone a T14. However, do not feel discouraged. As long as you get a mix of A's and B's this semester and pull off slightly better grades next semester you should have a viable shot at transferring to another school (just not Univ of Mich Ann Arbor unless you are at the very top).


Oh ok I was really confused until you mentioned you were talking about UM towards the end lol. So, essentially, you think my UM transfer chances are shot but, say, transferring to UK is still just as plausible with a 3.0? Sorry if I misunderstood, just trying to clear things up.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby random5483 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:12 pm

If you are going to Cooley, you should be able to manage to UK transfer if you fall somewhere between the top 10-25%. Transfers are hard to predict, but the closer you fall to the top 10%, the better your chances get.

I know very little about Cooley, but I hear it has a horrible curve (sub 2.5?). If that is the case, a 3.0 might give you a decent class ranking. It is impossible for anyone to tell you your chances based on pure GPA. In a T4 where 3.0 is median your chance to transfer is much less than a school where 3.0 is top 10 or 20%.

Read this article for more in-depth info: http://www.top-law-schools.com/advice-f ... rring.html

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby sethc » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:19 pm

random5483 wrote:If you are going to Cooley, you should be able to manage to UK transfer if you fall somewhere between the top 10-25%. Transfers are hard to predict, but the closer you fall to the top 10%, the better your chances get.

I know very little about Cooley, but I hear it has a horrible curve (sub 2.5?). If that is the case, a 3.0 might give you a decent class ranking. It is impossible for anyone to tell you your chances based on pure GPA. In a T4 where 3.0 is median your chance to transfer is much less than a school where 3.0 is top 10 or 20%.

Read this article for more in-depth info: http://www.top-law-schools.com/advice-f ... rring.html


Thanks man - I really appreciate you responding. Whether you feel like it or not, you answered just about every question I had. If you're comfortable (and/or have a regular account) shoot me a PM sometime. I only ask because I might have a question (and you response, regardless) about that I may feel uneasy about posting publicly - even from a random account. Hope that makes sense.

The only other question I think you didn't specifically cover - does the fact that applying to the same school(s) previously affect me in a bad way (or even a good one?)?? I.e. would the LSAT be worth retaking AT ALL? I know x-fers are 99% grade-based (pretty much) and so I thought jumping maybe 5-10 points after 1yr of law school might bolster my case.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby random5483 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:59 pm

Retaking the LSAT is probably a waste of time. Based on the information available, some schools do consider your undergraduate GPA/LSAT; however, they put very little weight to you undergraduate GPA/LSAT. You will be better served by spending time on networking with professors to get "awesome" letter of recommendations, or studying for exams and raising your class rank.

Not much information is available regarding transfers. Most of the information I have is based on: 1) Reading these forums, 2) Arrow's post (linked earlier), and 3) The Art of the Law School Transfer (a book I borrowed from a friend).

I would suggest you read Arrow's article. The book might be worth buying if you want to read all the material available; however, I found that the important information in the book was also available in Arrow's free article.

Feel free to PM me with any questions. However, I am by no means an expert on transferring. Like you, I am a 1L who wants to transfer to another school.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby patrickd139 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:04 pm

sethc wrote: would the LSAT be worth retaking AT ALL? I know x-fers are 99% grade-based (pretty much) and so I thought jumping maybe 5-10 points after 1yr of law school might bolster my case.

:lol:

1) You're by no means guaranteed to increase your score on the LSAT, though I agree with the underlying sentiment that the LSAT seems like child's play compared to law school.

2) Even if you increase your score by 10 points, the only thing you will prove is that you should have taken a year off, studied for the LSAT, and gone to a better school/paid less for the one you're at. Don't for a minute think that an increase in your LSAT score after you have been through a year of LS is going to net you a gain in transfer admissions. However, the time you spent prepping for/taking the LSAT could add valuable points to your GPA, which will increase your chances at transfer admissions.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby SkepticalHippo » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:13 pm

I disagree with those that say you HAVE to be top 10% or just outside for a T3/T4 to T2 transfer. Maybe if you go to Cooley, but there are some very respectable T3/T4s. My T3 is a "sometimes T2", so I'm hoping that gives me a better chance. I am also trying to make the T3 to (at least)high T2 jump. I dont need biglaw(and wont be trying for or competitive for any T14s) and I would be 100% happy at any of the T2 schools that I have chosen. They are closer to home and basically the #1 schools in their markets. I'm a bit disappointed with my first semester, and with improvement I'm probably looking to finish the year at around top 25% at best(that is ofcourse being realistic about how much I can possibly improve based upon my 1st semester grades).

I look at transferring like this:

Anyone in the top 10% from my school is going to be trying(and competitive) for T14s like Michigan, Penn, Columbia, Virginia, Duke, G-Town and some of the T25s like Vandy, George Washington, Illinois, WUSTL, ND.

Anyone in the top 10-20% will be trying/competitive for T25s and they may also try for T1s from 26-50.

Certainly those in the top 20% from my school will be competitive for T1 schools. I would think that would leave the spots in the T2s open for people like me who will finish in the top 20-30%. These are the types of trends I have noticed when exploring the transferapps database. You also have to remember that transferring is unpredictable in general. I have seen people manage transfers to schools like Minnesota and WUSTL coming from the top 20-25% at a T3. I have also seen people manage transfers from T3/T4 to T2 with top 50%.
Even if you only end up around median I would think it would still be worth it to apply to T2(and I would definitely apply to T3/T4), especially if you have a compelling reason to live in the area/attend the school or are from that state. Remember that transfer students are a “good deal” for the law schools as well, especially T2 schools(UK) and T3/T4 schools(NKU/Louisville). Law schools rarely offer transfer students scholarships and there are often a handful of students that will try to transfer up from these schools every year, leaving seats open in the 2L class that the schools will fill with transfers to make $$$$.

So don’t get discouraged because you aren’t top 10%. It is definitely still doable, but there is an element of “luck” involved no matter WHAT type of transfer you are trying to make.

Oh, and DON’T retake the LSAT. Trust me, the transfer process is rigorous and you won’t have time. You will be too busy trying to get LORs, fill out apps, constantly contact your LS for any needed information, checking to make sure your apps are completed on time, and scavenger hunting for whatever is missing. And these 2nd semester grades are important, important, IMPORTANT-especially if you end up like me and are going to be playing the catch up game in order to have ANY chance(ugh).

I'm getting pumped for the transfer party this summer!

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby sethc » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:54 pm

patrickd139 wrote:
sethc wrote: would the LSAT be worth retaking AT ALL? I know x-fers are 99% grade-based (pretty much) and so I thought jumping maybe 5-10 points after 1yr of law school might bolster my case.


2) Even if you increase your score by 10 points, the only thing you will prove is that you should have taken a year off, studied for the LSAT, and gone to a better school/paid less for the one you're at. Don't for a minute think that an increase in your LSAT score after you have been through a year of LS is going to net you a gain in transfer admissions. However, the time you spent prepping for/taking the LSAT could add valuable points to your GPA, which will increase your chances at transfer admissions.


Hard tell one's tone online, but regardless of how you meant your post - thanks. This pretty much settled it for me, I'm not going to take the LSAT again. My UGPA was fine - not a straight up 4.0 across the board.. but I think it was around like 3.58 maybe? That's without looking, but not far off. Anyway, I'm not worried about it, again because I'm not shooting for a T14 or even T25 type of transfer - JUST as much of a vertical transfer as I possibly can with the aim of getting back to my home state, if I can. If the latter won't work, then I'm fine with moving yet again to a new city/state/school/prof's - that part won't bother me (or my gf, believe it or not)

I can see why an increased LSAT wouldn't automatically warrant better consideration now. I didn't even think that admissions people would consider "oh look, he spent more time preparing this time. good for him." But it makes sense - admissions offices are fickle folk. I just thought that since my score was so low that some marginal improvement couldn't hurt. But, after what you said I agree with you.


random5483 wrote:Most of the information I have is based on: 1) Reading these forums, 2) Arrow's post (linked earlier), and 3) The Art of the Law School Transfer (a book I borrowed from a friend).

I would suggest you read Arrow's article. The book might be worth buying if you want to read all the material available; however, I found that the important information in the book was also available in Arrow's free article.



Yeah, thanks for the help man. I'm not sure for if you read all of my OP, but I (think) mentioned that I had dug through most of the material TLS had to offer on transferring, including Arrow's & other's articles. I hadn't heard of that book though! I imagine the library/bookstore here wouldn't have it to offer, so I guess the best place to buy it would be Amazon you think? I'll check the local B & N in the meantime. Arrow's article was great and very informative but I think he left a few things unanswered for myself.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby random5483 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:20 pm

The book can be bought on Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/Art-Law-School-Tr ... 1888960302

The book mainly gives you common sense advice. Some of the information in the book can be helpful, but I am not sure if it is worth buying.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby sethc » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:57 pm

random5483 wrote:The book can be bought on Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/Art-Law-School-Tr ... 1888960302

The book mainly gives you common sense advice. Some of the information in the book can be helpful, but I am not sure if it is worth buying.



Oh yeah? Hmm.. I kind of figured that just by reading the title, but I thought it may touch on some of the stuff you wouldn't immediately think of when transferring. That's why I wish it was in-store somewhere or at a library, so I could just pick it up and skim it to get a feel. Have you actually read it cover-to-cover before?Oh well, if I can't find out anything else about it & wind up thinking I need it, I may drop the dough anyway.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby random5483 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:11 am

sethc wrote:
random5483 wrote:The book can be bought on Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/Art-Law-School-Tr ... 1888960302

The book mainly gives you common sense advice. Some of the information in the book can be helpful, but I am not sure if it is worth buying.



Oh yeah? Hmm.. I kind of figured that just by reading the title, but I thought it may touch on some of the stuff you wouldn't immediately think of when transferring. That's why I wish it was in-store somewhere or at a library, so I could just pick it up and skim it to get a feel. Have you actually read it cover-to-cover before?Oh well, if I can't find out anything else about it & wind up thinking I need it, I may drop the dough anyway.




I read the book cover the cover. The most useful information in the book in my opinion included information on transfer statistics for some schools. The book has some basic information on ability to transfer based on tier you are in (like Arrow's article) and some brief interview style articles with people who have transferred as well as people in law school admissions offices. The book is not a waste of money, but most of the information in the book can be found in Arrow's article. The book includes additional information on OCI process/what to do after transferring, but most of the OCI information is basically common sense.

If you are stressing out about your transfer opportunities, read the book, it might give you peace of mind. I liked reading the book, but I gained very little information from it that I did not already know.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby sethc » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:12 am

random5483 wrote:If you are stressing out about your transfer opportunities, read the book, it might give you peace of mind. I liked reading the book, but I gained very little information from it that I did not already know.



I read the book cover the cover. The most useful information in the book in my opinion included information on transfer statistics for some schools. The book has some basic information on ability to transfer based on tier you are in (like Arrow's article) and some brief interview style articles with people who have transferred as well as people in law school admissions offices. The book is not a waste of money, but most of the information in the book can be found in Arrow's article. The book includes additional information on OCI process/what to do after transferring, but most of the OCI information is basically common sense.

If you are stressing out about your transfer opportunities, read the book, it might give you peace of mind. I liked reading the book, but I gained very little information from it that I did not already know.[/quote]

Hmm, I think I'll buy it then, when financial aid comes in lol. From what you say, it sounds like it would be great for time. With a pretty full courseload this semester, it's rare that I get the chance to research the internet in-depth over something like this. Arrow's article is great, but 1 source with many specifics is more along the lines of what I need. Thanks, though. Is this a book that releases a new edition each year? This one has a 2009 copyright, but it's tough to tell from Amazon about much else. If it does, the statistics section could be very handy. I could get that sort of thing via LSAC but it's way too time-consuming to do so.

Are there other books that are so in-depth on such a specific topic? I know our bookstore has several of the "1st year experience" type of books like 1L of a Ride, Getting to Maybe and other stuff like that, which generally discuss law school from 1 guy/girl's perspective for the most part. But, as far as these kind of books go, if it's not transfer-specific then I'm not going to buy it most likely.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby random5483 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:08 am

The book I mentioned is the only transfer specific book I know. There statistics are not updated yearly (I think the numbers are from the 2008 cycle?). Also, the numbers just give you an idea of some transfer friendly schools and only covers like 30 schools.

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Re: Somewhat unique transfer situation from T3/4

Postby sethc » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:12 am

random5483 wrote:The book I mentioned is the only transfer specific book I know. There statistics are not updated yearly (I think the numbers are from the 2008 cycle?). Also, the numbers just give you an idea of some transfer friendly schools and only covers like 30 schools.


Yeah good point! It's great for perspective if I got it now as opposed to years/semesters later. Thanks for the info man.




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