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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby BlueCivic » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:24 am

eddietx12 wrote:USNWR matters for employment. I am very concerned with having to compete on the SAME ROULETTE table with one set of gamblers who are playing different odds, and making my odds worse.

This is like putting hard earned money (time) into a casino (the labor market), where the payoffs are skewed in favor of one group of people, AT THE EXPENSE of hard working suckers like me.

This is how I get punished? For what?! Why should she be permitted to smile and take her mug at "Harvard Law," where some of the greatest minds have passed? What has she done to belong there other than "be" of a certain category, what skill does that take?


Mostly I want to mock you because you are being a huge dick. But I also feel sorry for you because this is not a healthy mindset to have. There are certain things in life that will not turn out the way you want them to. This is not because the world is stacked against you. It's just a part of life. It is not fair for a person to be born in India in poverty but here we are. It is up to the law schools to determine what factors they want in a student. One factor that they value is ethnic diversity. Is it fair that you do not contribute to ethnic diversity? Maybe not. But I'll bet you've also had some advantages that other students have not had. Is that fair? Ultimately there is an element of arbitrariness that is hard, but healthy, to accept. Do the best with the cards you are dealt and don't make a fool of yourself on the internet. That doesn't help.
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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby Bildungsroman » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:24 am

eddietx12 wrote:USNWR matters for employment. I am very concerned with having to compete on the SAME ROULETTE table with one set of gamblers who are playing different odds, and making my odds worse.

This is like putting hard earned money (time) into a casino (the labor market), where the payoffs are skewed in favor of one group of people, AT THE EXPENSE of hard working suckers like me.

This is how I get punished? For what?! Why should she be permitted to smile and take her mug at "Harvard Law," where some of the greatest minds have passed? What has she done to belong there other than "be" of a certain category, what skill does that take?


Quoted for metaphor fail.

Also, a 172 LSAT and a 3.9 GPA make her very qualified for Harvard. 99th percentile LSAT score, and at most universities probably 97-99th percentile GPA. Plus you haven't seen her PS, LORs, or any essays she wrote. You seem to be attributing her success entirely to her race despite the fact that you don't know anything about her application except her GPA/LSAT. So, you seem to be working from the presumption that no black person is qualified for admittance unless someone provides overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby acrossthelake » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:26 am

How has this not been locked and how has the ban-hammer not come down yet?

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby eddietx12 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:28 am

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
eddietx12 wrote:USNWR matters for employment. I am very concerned with having to compete on the SAME ROULETTE table with one set of gamblers who are playing different odds, and making my odds worse.

This is like putting hard earned money (time) into a casino (the labor market), where the payoffs are skewed in favor of one group of people, AT THE EXPENSE of hard working suckers like me.

This is how I get punished? For what?! Why should she be permitted to smile and take her mug at "Harvard Law," where some of the greatest minds have passed? What has she done to belong there other than "be" of a certain category, what skill does that take?


A 172 LSAT and 3.91 GPA requires no hard work, huh?

My name is Gaia. I only got into Harvard because I'm black. My stats that are evidently higher than quite a few non-URMs on LSN mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

How do I sleep at night? Oh yeah...with my HLS admit binder by my bedside.

I'm usually not this arrogant, but I can't help but be a scathing bitch when someone tries to devalue all the hard work I put in. I missed summer vacations to take classes and studied for the LSAT for over a year. GET THE FUCK OUT WITH THIS RACIST BULLSHIT.


Don't misrepresent your LSAT, for HLS you got a 168 (avg of your multiple attempts). This is like the Patriots asking for another Superbowl against the Giants to go for the perfect season, doesn't happen in real life, doesn't happen at HLS admissions. You did NOT get a 172 for HLS, you were a 168, lets "keep it real."

You got a 166, then you tried again, got another 166. Do you not realize that this is not how "aptitude tests" are designed to work? In some countries, kids can repeat classes until they get an A. Under that system, you would probably stay in school till you graduated with a 4.0

That's not a real "aptitude test," the LSAT when taken a bajillion times is no longer a test of 'aptitude' for legal reasoning, it is a test of "LSAT ABILITY," based on question-pattern-recognition for this particular examination. They "averaged" your LSAT, and they used a 168.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby mallard » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:29 am

HLS doesn't really average LSATs, in my experience.

What is your real issue with? Boalt? Harvard? Affirmative action? Using the highest LSAT instead of averaging? The LSAT itself and how learnable it is? OCI?

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby eddietx12 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:30 am

and don't pass off "taking a year off" to become a pattern-recognizer as "hard work." Go program code for 19 hours straight, or write a note for law review for a prof who can't cite for sh*t for 20 straight hours.

Oh wait, HLS has nice warm seats for AA for law review as well, doesn't it?

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby xiening » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:31 am

eddietx12 wrote:USNWR matters for employment. I am very concerned with having to compete on the SAME ROULETTE table with one set of gamblers who are playing different odds, and making my odds worse.

This is like putting hard earned money (time) into a casino (the labor market), where the payoffs are skewed in favor of one group of people, AT THE EXPENSE of hard working suckers like me.

This is how I get punished? For what?! Why should she be permitted to smile and take her mug at "Harvard Law," where some of the greatest minds have passed? What has she done to belong there other than "be" of a certain category, what skill does that take?


u mean like this?

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby mallard » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:32 am

eddietx12 wrote:and don't pass off "taking a year off" to become a pattern-recognizer as "hard work." Go program code for 19 hours straight, or write a note for law review for a prof who can't cite for sh*t for 20 straight hours.

Oh wait, HLS has nice warm seats for AA for law review as well, doesn't it?


Holy shit, you are an enormous fucking douchenozzle. Law review work is some of the most obnoxious bullshit ever conceived and the fact that you're using cite-checking as an example of real, honest-to-goodness all-American work ethic is hilarious.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby BlueCivic » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:32 am

eddietx12 wrote:and don't pass off "taking a year off" to become a pattern-recognizer as "hard work." Go program code for 19 hours straight, or write a note for law review for a prof who can't cite for sh*t for 20 straight hours.

Oh wait, HLS has nice warm seats for AA for law review as well, doesn't it?


The racial focus is looking pathological. What about students who take easy majors and bloat their GPAs? Why aren't you bitching about them? Why not bitch about anything else about law school admissions that has an arbitrary element? Why race race race?

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby xyzzzzzzzz » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:32 am

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby eddietx12 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:32 am

mallard wrote:HLS doesn't really average LSATs, in my experience.

What is your real issue with? Boalt? Harvard? Affirmative action? Using the highest LSAT instead of averaging? The LSAT itself and how learnable it is? OCI?


They mysteriously add bonus points for minorities, so yes, they don't really "average" LSAT performances for minorities.

In fact, I'm beginning to think they don't really look at much for "self-identified" minorities.

You know, if you're a minority wanting to find out if you DESERVE a spot someplace, just refrain from "self identifying," and have that be part of your permanent record somehow - the fact that you did not "self identify."

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby acrossthelake » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:33 am

mallard wrote:HLS doesn't really average LSATs, in my experience.

What is your real issue with? Boalt? Harvard? Affirmative action? Using the highest LSAT instead of averaging? The LSAT itself and how learnable it is? OCI?


I think the issue is that OP isn't living the life like he expected to despite his "hard work".

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby Tautology » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:33 am

I think what we have here is someone who just can't cope with reality. Everything needs to have happened for a reason, and that reason can never be his own shortcomings. You end up with this nonsensical rant about affirmative action and an irrational obsession with the number of times someone else took the LSAT.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby Na_Swatch » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:33 am

mallard wrote:HLS doesn't really average LSATs, in my experience.

What is your real issue with? Boalt? Harvard? Affirmative action? Using the highest LSAT instead of averaging? The LSAT itself and how learnable it is? OCI?



This:

eddietx12 wrote:im down to -$300k after this term, and I'm a 3L now.. will be down $-345k after all is said and done (undergrad, auto, student, upside down mortgage).

Is anyone here broker than me?


Honestly eddietx12.. i feel bad for you but the way your going about this isn't helping your situation at all...

Also Gaia its not worth your time to comment on this, everybody knows that you have a great admissions profile for HLS with or w/o URM status.. just enjoy it next year :D

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby Kohinoor » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:33 am

xyzzzzzzzz wrote:seriously op? Anyone can buy a Harvard t shirt at the boston airport. uh oh, GAIA you don't deserve your H mug. I think the sky is falling down. I'm starting to think this kid got rejected from Boalt, H, and the rest of the t 14.

He did. It drove him insane which is the disturbing part.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby mallard » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:34 am

You don't really know much about how HLS admissions works, eddie, but wasn't your final LSAT a 170 anyway?

Anyway, just so I get to say it first: Sorry about your tiny pink dick.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby eddietx12 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:35 am

BlueCivic wrote:
eddietx12 wrote:and don't pass off "taking a year off" to become a pattern-recognizer as "hard work." Go program code for 19 hours straight, or write a note for law review for a prof who can't cite for sh*t for 20 straight hours.

Oh wait, HLS has nice warm seats for AA for law review as well, doesn't it?


The racial focus is looking pathological. What about students who take easy majors and bloat their GPAs? Why aren't you bitching about them? Why not bitch about anything else about law school admissions that has an arbitrary element? Why race race race?


the easy-major kids go to BoalTTT, they can't do well in "standardized" situations, much like the 'blasian' and the LSAT, who had to take it over-and-over-and-over-and-over again to sneak past the 170 mark and proclaim that she got a 172.

Dude, you give a monkey a task a zillion times and he'll be preeeetty damn competent at it after a YEAR.

Who takes a YEAR to prep for a 3 hour test? Someone who lacks the aptitude to do well the first time around. The LSAT itself is an "APTITUDE" test for legal analytical capacity, it is not intended to be used as a slot machine that you pull on again and again till things "line up" well.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby xyzzzzzzzz » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:35 am

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby mallard » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:35 am

acrossthelake wrote:
mallard wrote:HLS doesn't really average LSATs, in my experience.

What is your real issue with? Boalt? Harvard? Affirmative action? Using the highest LSAT instead of averaging? The LSAT itself and how learnable it is? OCI?


I think the issue is that OP isn't living the life like he expected to despite his "hard work".


LOL. That's exactly how HLS kids who got no-offered feel. Time to suck it up and realize you never get to fill that hole with more achievements. If you feel empty now, chances are that wouldn't be fixed by graduating at Harvard instead of Texas, or getting that appellate clerkship instead of the trial-level one, or graduating magna instead of simply with honors, etc.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby BlueCivic » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:37 am

eddietx12 wrote:
BlueCivic wrote:
eddietx12 wrote:and don't pass off "taking a year off" to become a pattern-recognizer as "hard work." Go program code for 19 hours straight, or write a note for law review for a prof who can't cite for sh*t for 20 straight hours.

Oh wait, HLS has nice warm seats for AA for law review as well, doesn't it?


The racial focus is looking pathological. What about students who take easy majors and bloat their GPAs? Why aren't you bitching about them? Why not bitch about anything else about law school admissions that has an arbitrary element? Why race race race?


the easy-major kids go to BoalTTT, they can't do well in "standardized" situations, much like the 'blasian' and the LSAT, who had to take it over-and-over-and-over-and-over again to sneak past the 170 mark and proclaim that she got a 172.

Dude, you give a monkey a task a zillion times and he'll be preeeetty damn competent at it after a YEAR.

Who takes a YEAR to prep for a 3 hour test? Someone who lacks the aptitude to do well the first time around. The LSAT itself is an "APTITUDE" test for legal analytical capacity, it is not intended to be used as a slot machine that you pull on again and again till things "line up" well.


Buddy, it's intended to be however the law schools want it to be.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby eddietx12 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:38 am

Obama is a perfect case study of someone who probably "entered" HLS the AA way, but exited HLS the badass magna way.

I'm not saying anything negative about people who have easy access, I'm saying the system is JACKED UP.

Clearly, Obama is a shining example of the lack of need for AA.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby acrossthelake » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:39 am

eddietx12 wrote:Obama is a perfect case study of someone who probably "entered" HLS the AA way, but exited HLS the badass magna way.

I'm not saying anything negative about people who have easy access, I'm saying the system is JACKED UP.

Clearly, Obama is a shining example of the lack of need for AA.


LOL. One example does not an entire group make. I don't support AA--but that's because of research I've seen that shows it doesn't actually help URMs, not because I'm against helping out a generally disadvantaged ethnic group.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby Tautology » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:40 am

acrossthelake wrote:
eddietx12 wrote:Obama is a perfect case study of someone who probably "entered" HLS the AA way, but exited HLS the badass magna way.

I'm not saying anything negative about people who have easy access, I'm saying the system is JACKED UP.

Clearly, Obama is a shining example of the lack of need for AA.


LOL. One example does not an entire group make. I don't support AA--but that's because of research I've seen that shows it doesn't actually help URMs, not because I'm against helping out a generally disadvantaged ethnic group.


Have you seen research other than the study relating to law schools?

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

Postby eddietx12 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:41 am

I repeat - minorities who take advantage of AA systems are acting perfectly rationally.

I'd do EXACTLY what they do, obviously.

My point is that these are simply rational actors in an unfair and irrational system.

But it is irrational for these rational decision makers to hoodwink the rest of us by willful ignorance of certain realities.

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Re: Boalt ranking justified?

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