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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby megaTTTron » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:55 pm

crunchtime123 wrote:What're my chances?



Why in the world are you leaving? (rhetorical, I'm sure you have reasons)

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby youpiiz » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:56 pm

megaTTTron wrote:
Why in the world are you leaving?


not rhetorical.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby 98234872348 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:00 pm

youpiiz wrote:
megaTTTron wrote:
Why in the world are you leaving?


not rhetorical.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby Joga Bonito » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:01 pm

Probably no HYS, maybe columbia or nyu with good reason. UofC would probably be like what reason do you have to transfer to a school down the street(well down lake shore drive) thats not way better than NU, so probably no there too, unless your were originally waitlisted or someting at ufoc.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby Hiei » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:02 pm

To leave Northwestern with a 3.7 GPA for Columbia, Chicago, or NYU would not only be pointless--it might be foolish as well. To leave Northwestern with a 3.7 GPA for Harvard or Stanford would be somewhat understandable. Going to Yale would be understandable (especially if you want to teach).

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby megaTTTron » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:04 pm

Hiei wrote:To leave Northwestern with a 3.7 GPA for Columbia, Chicago, or NYU would not only be pointless--it might be foolish as well. To leave Northwestern with a 3.7 GPA for Harvard or Stanford would be somewhat understandable. Going to Yale would be understandable (especially if you want to teach).


Seriously though, this is credited.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby MrKappus » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:04 pm

Chicago places more Art. III clerks than NU, so if OP wants a clerkship U of C could be a good move (down the Drive, or not).

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby dbt » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:34 pm

I don't think your chances are too great at any of those. CCN are a slight possibility, but really doubtful on HYS. I'd send apps to the other T14 schools above Northwestern if you definitely want to transfer, but really I think you should just stay put.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby Hiei » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:02 am

dbt wrote:I don't think your chances are too great at any of those. CCN are a slight possibility, but really doubtful on HYS. I'd send apps to the other T14 schools above Northwestern if you definitely want to transfer, but really I think you should just stay put.



Does NU have a really relaxed curve or something?????

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby dbt » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:05 am

Hiei wrote:
dbt wrote:I don't think your chances are too great at any of those. CCN are a slight possibility, but really doubtful on HYS. I'd send apps to the other T14 schools above Northwestern if you definitely want to transfer, but really I think you should just stay put.



Does NU have a really relaxed curve or something?????


I guess so if 3.7 is top 25%. I mean, if it's a higher percentile, then that's a different story. But if OP is right at top 1/4, I think it's an overestimate to think that chances are good at CCN, and I really doubt HYS will happen. At least according to my profs, the kind of people that transfer into T6 schools are generally top 1% to top 10-15%, depending on the rank of the school you're coming from. Coming from Northwestern will help, but if OP really wants to transfer he should add on some other schools b/w Northwestern and CCN since there's definitely no guarantee that any of the latter are happening.
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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby Hiei » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:07 am

dbt wrote:
Hiei wrote:
dbt wrote:I don't think your chances are too great at any of those. CCN are a slight possibility, but really doubtful on HYS. I'd send apps to the other T14 schools above Northwestern if you definitely want to transfer, but really I think you should just stay put.



Does NU have a really relaxed curve or something?????


I guess so if 3.7 is top 25%. I mean, if it's a higher percentile, then that's a different story. But if OP is right at top 1/4, I think it's an overestimate to think that chances are good at CCN, and I really doubt HYS will happen. At least according to my profs, the kind of people that transfer into T6 schools are generally top 1% to top 10%, depending on the rank of the school you're coming from. Coming from Northwestern will help, but if OP really wants to transfer he should add on some other schools b/w Northwestern and CCN since there's definitely no guarantee that any of the latter are happening.



That's really relaxed--at UVA that's very close to top 10 percent.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby dbt » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:07 am

Yep same here. At NYU I think 3.65ish is top 10%.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:14 am

megaTTTron wrote:
Hiei wrote:To leave Northwestern with a 3.7 GPA for Columbia, Chicago, or NYU would not only be pointless--it might be foolish as well. To leave Northwestern with a 3.7 GPA for Harvard or Stanford would be somewhat understandable. Going to Yale would be understandable (especially if you want to teach).


Seriously though, this is credited.


Also not something he really has to worry about. 25% isn't going to get you HYS out of Northwestern. It probably wouldn't even out of CCN.

Frankly, top 25% at Northwestern, if you're interested in practicing on the east coast, I wouldn't dismiss Columbia or NYU. And tbh, I wouldn't dismiss Chicago either. 25% isn't screwed at Northwestern, by any means, but it isn't a GPA that is too hard to let go of, either, unless you have developed significant faculty connections with your 1L profs, or you manage to write-on to law review (probably too late to do the write-on for Chicago though, it starts ~tomorrow, if I remember correctly, for everyone--transfer or not).

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby thesealocust » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:34 am

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby Hiei » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:51 pm

thesealocust wrote:
Hiei wrote:That's really relaxed--at UVA that's very close to top 10 percent.


a 3.70 is well above top 10% and bordering on top 5%.


Yeah you're right I just checked that out. That means NU's curve is reaaaallllly slack.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby KMaine » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:57 pm

Adding to the chorus @ Cornell Top 10% = 3.66.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby tbo123123 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:16 pm

OP is mistaken.
NU median is probably 3.25 after 1L, 3.5 is about 30% after 1L (anecdotal evidence), no way 3.7 is 25%

1L classes at NU are hard to do well in, there is a mandatory curve. OP is looking at graduation GPAs which include legal clinics, and other sources of easier grades.

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Re: NU 3.7 (top 25%) -> HYSCCN

Postby TTT-LS » Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:42 pm

tbo123123 wrote:OP is mistaken.
NU median is probably 3.25 after 1L, 3.5 is about 30% after 1L (anecdotal evidence), no way 3.7 is 25%

1L classes at NU are hard to do well in, there is a mandatory curve. OP is looking at graduation GPAs which include legal clinics, and other sources of easier grades.

OP is NOT mistaken.

Median after 1L year at NU can't be pinned down exactly, given the school's banded curve (see here: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/academi ... olicy.html), but one can make a very educated guess that it falls between 3.3 and 3.4. Among other things, that is so because when a prof. maxes the curve, over 60% of students in the class receive a B+ or higher. Even when a prof. minimizes the curve, over 40% of a class will have a B+ or higher (assuming discretionary C's & down account for only 7.5%). NU 1Ls take 2 spring electives, a number of which are uncurved, and have CLR, which is not bound by the curve--though it is frequently graded in a way that comes close. I've written at greater length about this elsewhere (can't find the TLS post offhand), but suffice to say a number of factors make a 1L median of ~3.35 very, very probable.

Moreover, tbo has no basis for asserting what s/he has re: top 30% & 25%. It is true that the at graduation numbers (see viewtopic.php?f=4&t=86361&start=200#p2422291) are not representative of the end of 1L numbers, given the grade inflation in uncurved classes 2L and 3L year (any class of less than 40 students is uncurved, though many below 40 are still graded in rough compliance with the curve). Nonetheless, one can learn a lot about the distribution from those graduation numbers, the OCI callback sheets the career center has distributed in the past, and other data. Suffice to say that 3.7 is likely about top 20 to 25% after 1L year.




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