Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

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Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby EzraStiles » Tue May 25, 2010 12:10 am

The Nytimes posted her Harvard Transcript (surprise, she did great): http://documents.nytimes.com/kagans-198 ... eport-card

I really just started this to express my sadness at the end of Law & Order. To think, the next generation of lawyers will have not grown up alongside Sam Waterston's wild exhibitionism.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby Bankhead » Tue May 25, 2010 12:26 am

I did much better than her in Torts and Crim. :lol:

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby BlueCivic » Tue May 25, 2010 12:29 am

I suppose I should know the answer to this, but is Harvard Law School accredited by the American Bar Association and a member in good standing of the Association of American Law Schools?

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby Rock Chalk » Tue May 25, 2010 12:38 am

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby BlueCivic » Tue May 25, 2010 12:48 am

EzraStiles wrote:The Nytimes posted her Harvard Transcript (surprise, she did great): http://documents.nytimes.com/kagans-198 ... eport-card

I really just started this to express my sadness at the end of Law & Order. To think, the next generation of lawyers will have not grown up alongside Sam Waterston's wild exhibitionism.


I think Sam Waterson is active in insurance commercials and will be with our children for generations to come.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby bradley » Tue May 25, 2010 1:05 am

Why did she only take 4 classes her 3L year? And really, that's all the better you have to do to get a SCOTUS nomination? GPA around 3.7.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby romothesavior » Tue May 25, 2010 1:06 am

Wow... if my only two grades at the end of fall semester were a B and a B- ITE, I'd be in killself mode.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby BlueCivic » Tue May 25, 2010 1:07 am

romothesavior wrote:Wow... if my only two grades at the end of fall semester were a B and a B- ITE, I'd be in killself mode.


Might it be possible that "Top-Law-Schools.com" gives one a distorted perception of reality?

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby romothesavior » Tue May 25, 2010 1:10 am

BlueCivic wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Wow... if my only two grades at the end of fall semester were a B and a B- ITE, I'd be in killself mode.


Might it be possible that "Top-Law-Schools.com" gives one a distorted perception of reality?


Those grades would destroy your shot at biglaw.

But obviously Kagan went to Harvard in a different era and with different interests. Those grades obviously didn't ruin her career. But for a lot of people on TLS, a B or B- average at their respective schools after fall 1L would destroy their big law hopes.

And my first post was a joke. Just sarcasm with a heavy dose of truth sprinkled on top.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby jayn3 » Tue May 25, 2010 1:11 am

bradley wrote:Why did she only take 4 classes her 3L year? And really, that's all the better you have to do to get a SCOTUS nomination? GPA around 3.7.


as RTS said, times are different now. at any rate, though, i'm pretty sure it's what she did after HLS that really mattered....

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby rx3r » Tue May 25, 2010 1:36 am

bradley wrote:Why did she only take 4 classes her 3L year? And really, that's all the better you have to do to get a SCOTUS nomination? GPA around 3.7.


If you look at the transcript, it was issued in March of '86 to the student (Kagan). Her final semester grades are probably missing for that reason (I assume they wouldn't be available until May of '86).

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby traydeuce » Thu May 27, 2010 1:01 am

Well, I've never gotten a B or a B-. Then again, I don't go to Harvard (yet). Isn't it ironic, though, that Kagan, a huge expert in administrative law, author of two of the most influential articles in the field in the last 15 years, just brilliant work, got a B+ in administrative law? The worst grade she'd ever get after her 1L year. I got an A in my admin law class and there's no way that I'm a tenth of the admin law mind she is. It just goes to show you - well I'm not sure what it goes to show you, it goes to show you something or another.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby shizzle_ » Thu May 27, 2010 1:12 am

There may have been grade inflation since. After all, this is what wikipedia says:

"She received a juris doctor, magna cum laude, at Harvard Law School in 1986, where she was supervisory editor of the Harvard Law Review."

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby BlueCivic » Thu May 27, 2010 1:15 am

traydeuce wrote:Well, I've never gotten a B or a B-. Then again, I don't go to Harvard (yet). Isn't it ironic, though, that Kagan, a huge expert in administrative law, author of two of the most influential articles in the field in the last 15 years, just brilliant work, got a B+ in administrative law? The worst grade she'd ever get after her 1L year. I got an A in my admin law class and there's no way that I'm a tenth of the admin law mind she is. It just goes to show you - well I'm not sure what it goes to show you, it goes to show you something or another.


Interesting point. A few thoughts: My understanding is that the HLS faculty from back in the day was pretty rough. And Kagan is definitely smart. But a lot of her smarts is interpersonal smarts, i think. So I can see her getting the rough end of the stick from tough 1980s HLS graders, perhaps. Also, Kagan went through HLS right after college. I think that people change a lot in the 5 or so years after they graduate college. It's plausible to me that she became a more serious student of admin law after law school once she was a bit older.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby solidsnake » Thu May 27, 2010 4:25 pm

I remember reading somewhere (sorry can't find the cite) that when Kagan was applying for the Marshall clerkship, she had more than one prof write very enthusiastic LoRs that explicitly dismissed her first sem grades as an anomaly. I think losing that personal relationship with profs who are willing to go to bat for you is the single biggest factor cutting against transferring, since anecdotally most transfers tend to lose touch with their 1L school profs.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby jayn3 » Thu May 27, 2010 5:00 pm

solidsnake wrote:I remember reading somewhere (sorry can't find the cite) that when Kagan was applying for the Marshall clerkship, she had more than one prof write very enthusiastic LoRs that explicitly dismissed her first sem grades as an anomaly. I think losing that personal relationship with profs who are willing to go to bat for you is the single biggest factor cutting against transferring, since anecdotally most transfers tend to lose touch with their 1L school profs.

i don't know if i totally buy this argument. yeah, it's great to have a personal relationship with your T2 professors.....but wouldn't it be better to have that relationship with a T14 prof if you can get in??

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby imchuckbass58 » Thu May 27, 2010 5:10 pm

shizzle_ wrote:There may have been grade inflation since. After all, this is what wikipedia says:

"She received a juris doctor, magna cum laude, at Harvard Law School in 1986, where she was supervisory editor of the Harvard Law Review."


That transcript would easily be magna today at HLS.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby XxSpyKEx » Thu May 27, 2010 8:42 pm

EzraStiles wrote:The Nytimes posted her Harvard Transcript (surprise, she did great): http://documents.nytimes.com/kagans-198 ... eport-card


Well, I guess you gotta do something right when you look like this:
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Is she/he a transsexual?

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby Dr. Strangelove » Thu May 27, 2010 9:05 pm

XxSpyKEx wrote:
EzraStiles wrote:The Nytimes posted her Harvard Transcript (surprise, she did great): http://documents.nytimes.com/kagans-198 ... eport-card


Well, I guess you gotta do something right when you look like this:
Image

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Is she/he a transsexual?


As a Republican, I'll say that is insulting to transsexuals. Not all transsexuals look like that... :wink:

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby jayn3 » Thu May 27, 2010 9:31 pm

XxSpyKEx wrote:Well, I guess you gotta do something right when you look like this:

Image

Is she/he a transsexual?


aahh, maturity, how refreshing.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby Pearalegal » Thu May 27, 2010 9:39 pm

bradley wrote:Why did she only take 4 classes her 3L year? And really, that's all the better you have to do to get a SCOTUS nomination? GPA around 3.7.



God I hope this is sarcasm. Couldn't tell, and I'm usually better at reading these things. One thing I'm certain of is that Obama never looked at any of the possible noms GPAs.

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Postby arundodonax » Thu May 27, 2010 10:14 pm

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby Jay Dub » Sat May 29, 2010 1:17 am

traydeuce wrote:Well, I've never gotten a B or a B-. Then again, I don't go to Harvard (yet). Isn't it ironic, though, that Kagan, a huge expert in administrative law, author of two of the most influential articles in the field in the last 15 years, just brilliant work, got a B+ in administrative law? The worst grade she'd ever get after her 1L year. I got an A in my admin law class and there's no way that I'm a tenth of the admin law mind she is. It just goes to show you - well I'm not sure what it goes to show you, it goes to show you something or another.


You've got to be a flame. Aren't you supposedly just finishing 1L? And you've taken Admin already?

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby legalease9 » Sat May 29, 2010 1:42 am

shizzle_ wrote:There may have been grade inflation since. After all, this is what wikipedia says:

"She received a juris doctor, magna cum laude, at Harvard Law School in 1986, where she was supervisory editor of the Harvard Law Review."


This! I don't have the stats, but I imagine that it is somewhat meaningless to compare grades over differing decades simply because of grade inflation.

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Re: Elena Kagan's Transcript AKA What's Needed to Get Clerkship

Postby Iuvo » Sat May 29, 2010 4:30 pm

It was 1986, you shouldn't compare your grades to hers.




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