Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

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Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby Incanate » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:02 pm

Hey all,

I got a 3.794 at Wayne State last semester. According to the career services people, that puts me in the top 3 or 4 out of a class of ~180 (we don't rank until the end of the year). I've looked over the guides here and I have a good idea about my chances concerning the hard facts - ie. GPA, class rank, school rank. But I'm here to ask about how some of the other non-law school factors could affect my chances of transferring. Ideally, I'm looking to transfer into the t7-14 and I know my best chances are probably at GULC due to the sheer size of its incoming transfer class and Michigan since it's relatively transfer friendly, I'm a MI resident and I did my UG there (though this probably doesn't matter). I was wondering if any of the following things about me would help my transfer chances:

-I am a Brazilian- and Lebanese-American
-I can speak Arabic, Portuguese and French fluently
-I grew up in Dubai, UAE and lived there until I started UG at Michigan
-I have summer work experience clerking at a small law firm in Dubai, Baker & McKenzie in Chicago and with in-house counsel for a corporation in Dubai.
-I have academic research experience

I have no idea how these factors could affect my transfer stock. Tell you the truth, I doubt they'll help me at all but I was wondering what you guys thought.

Also, any Wayne State transfers on these boards? Anyone know one? Where did you/they end up?

Thanks.

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby A'nold » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:33 pm

Incanate wrote:Hey all,

I got a 3.794 at Wayne State last semester. According to the career services people, that puts me in the top 3 or 4 out of a class of ~180 (we don't rank until the end of the year). I've looked over the guides here and I have a good idea about my chances concerning the hard facts - ie. GPA, class rank, school rank. But I'm here to ask about how some of the other non-law school factors could affect my chances of transferring. Ideally, I'm looking to transfer into the t7-14 and I know my best chances are probably at GULC due to the sheer size of its incoming transfer class and Michigan since it's relatively transfer friendly, I'm a MI resident and I did my UG there (though this probably doesn't matter). I was wondering if any of the following things about me would help my transfer chances:

-I am a Brazilian- and Lebanese-American
-I can speak Arabic, Portuguese and French fluently
-I grew up in Dubai, UAE and lived there until I started UG at Michigan
-I have summer work experience clerking at a small law firm in Dubai, Baker & McKenzie in Chicago and with in-house counsel for a corporation in Dubai.
-I have academic research experience

I have no idea how these factors could affect my transfer stock. Tell you the truth, I doubt they'll help me at all but I was wondering what you guys thought.

Also, any Wayne State transfers on these boards? Anyone know one? Where did you/they end up?

Thanks.


We have basically the same numbers from "respectable" t3's....I'll be watching your cycle. *my eyes on op: :shock: *

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby Incanate » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:46 pm

I've been lurking religiously for a while. Glad to be out of the shadows :D . We'll have to keep each other posted. Haven't done EA but that was because a) I was worried about how to approach professors for LORs and b) I absolutely HATE writing personal statements. I've never seen the point of those damned essays.

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby Go State » Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:32 am

Incanate wrote: Michigan since it's relatively transfer friendly, I'm a MI resident and I did my UG there (though this probably doesn't matter).


You wouldn't believe how big of a plus being a MI resident and having done your UG here is. Out of the MSU/WSU transfers pretty much everyone, except myself, was a MI resident and/or did their UG here. Pull those grades up a bit next semester and write one hell of a personal statement & optional essay(s) and you'll get accepted. There were 3 WSU transfers this year.

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby A'nold » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:27 am

Go State wrote:
Incanate wrote: Michigan since it's relatively transfer friendly, I'm a MI resident and I did my UG there (though this probably doesn't matter).


You wouldn't believe how big of a plus being a MI resident and having done your UG here is. Out of the MSU/WSU transfers pretty much everyone, except myself, was a MI resident and/or did their UG here. Pull those grades up a bit next semester and write one hell of a personal statement & optional essay(s) and you'll get accepted. There were 3 WSU transfers this year.


Out-of-state t3 with "one hell of a 'why Mich'" essay have a chance? :cry:

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby Go State » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:35 am

A'nold wrote:
Go State wrote:
Incanate wrote: Michigan since it's relatively transfer friendly, I'm a MI resident and I did my UG there (though this probably doesn't matter).


You wouldn't believe how big of a plus being a MI resident and having done your UG here is. Out of the MSU/WSU transfers pretty much everyone, except myself, was a MI resident and/or did their UG here. Pull those grades up a bit next semester and write one hell of a personal statement & optional essay(s) and you'll get accepted. There were 3 WSU transfers this year.


Out-of-state t3 with "one hell of a 'why Mich'" essay have a chance? :cry:


It can't hurt to apply, and anything is possible, but I wouldn't count on getting in. This year all the transfers were from t2s or better with the exception of the MSU/WSU students and 2 people from the local t4s. I think the idea of taking local students as transfers is that the school hopes that people will stick around and work at the MI firms because as it is only around 10% of all UM grads stay in Michigan, and if that number starts going down UM will start losing its alumni base in MI.

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby A'nold » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:49 am

Go State wrote:
A'nold wrote:
Go State wrote:
Incanate wrote: Michigan since it's relatively transfer friendly, I'm a MI resident and I did my UG there (though this probably doesn't matter).


You wouldn't believe how big of a plus being a MI resident and having done your UG here is. Out of the MSU/WSU transfers pretty much everyone, except myself, was a MI resident and/or did their UG here. Pull those grades up a bit next semester and write one hell of a personal statement & optional essay(s) and you'll get accepted. There were 3 WSU transfers this year.


Out-of-state t3 with "one hell of a 'why Mich'" essay have a chance? :cry:


It can't hurt to apply, and anything is possible, but I wouldn't count on getting in. This year all the transfers were from t2s or better with the exception of the MSU/WSU students and 2 people from the local t4s. I think the idea of taking local students as transfers is that the school hopes that people will stick around and work at the MI firms because as it is only around 10% of all UM grads stay in Michigan, and if that number starts going down UM will start losing its alumni base in MI.


Crap. Oh well it was a long shot dream anyway.

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby Incanate » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:13 am

@ Go State: For now, I intend on staying in MI after I graduate. There are a few Big Law places in Detroit and my fiancee is from here and she has no intention of leaving. Do you think my draft stock would go up at all if they knew I was going to stay here after I'm done?

@ A'nold: Don't give up! You're at the top of your class for a reason. You're .1 or .15 away from being first in your class most likely. Since you're already near the summit, you know you're capable of doing very well. You're already in good shape - if you climb one or 2 spots, even better. You've still got a shot! Believe me, I know my only real chance of t14 is Mich. or maybe G.Town - but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna try for the others (not HYS - no chance there at all).

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby A'nold » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:13 pm

Incanate wrote:@ Go State: For now, I intend on staying in MI after I graduate. There are a few Big Law places in Detroit and my fiancee is from here and she has no intention of leaving. Do you think my draft stock would go up at all if they knew I was going to stay here after I'm done?

@ A'nold: Don't give up! You're at the top of your class for a reason. You're .1 or .15 away from being first in your class most likely. Since you're already near the summit, you know you're capable of doing very well. You're already in good shape - if you climb one or 2 spots, even better. You've still got a shot! Believe me, I know my only real chance of t14 is Mich. or maybe G.Town - but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna try for the others (not HYS - no chance there at all).


Yeah, I feel yah. That's awesome that UM likes their in-state lower ranked schools though. You have an awesome shot!

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby Renzo » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:20 pm

Incanate wrote:-I am a Brazilian- and Lebanese-American
-I can speak Arabic, Portuguese and French fluently

:shock: Is this you?
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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby Go State » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:20 pm

Incanate wrote:@ Go State: For now, I intend on staying in MI after I graduate. There are a few Big Law places in Detroit and my fiancee is from here and she has no intention of leaving. Do you think my draft stock would go up at all if they knew I was going to stay here after I'm done?

@ A'nold: Don't give up! You're at the top of your class for a reason. You're .1 or .15 away from being first in your class most likely. Since you're already near the summit, you know you're capable of doing very well. You're already in good shape - if you climb one or 2 spots, even better. You've still got a shot! Believe me, I know my only real chance of t14 is Mich. or maybe G.Town - but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna try for the others (not HYS - no chance there at all).


It's possible. It can't hurt to write about your career goals in your personal statement, including that you want to work for a large MI firm. However, I would write other things there as well -- i.e. stuff you can't get from WSU.

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Postby Incanate » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:36 pm

@ Renzo: No, she's my cousin. We get free tickets to her concerts all the time.


@ Go State: My plan so far has been to write the best Personal Statements I can for the T14s I have the best chance of getting into. I've started doing research on the faculty at Michigan and reading about some of their research. I'm trying to see if my interests can align with some of the research done there - maybe give me more material to use on my PS.


On a side note - can anybody with transfer experience give me a few pointers on what to write in my PS? What worked for you guys?

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Postby Renzo » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:06 pm

Incanate wrote:@ Renzo: No, she's my cousin. We get free tickets to her concerts all the time?


You're fucking with me, and that's not cool.

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Postby Incanate » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:17 pm

Yes, I am. She's Columbian anyway. It would be cool if she was my cousin though - I could use a free concert right about now. Anything free really............

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Postby Renzo » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:20 pm

Incanate wrote:Yes, I am. She's Columbian anyway. It would be cool if she was my cousin though - I could use a free concert right about now. Anything free really............

I know she's Columbian, but how many Spanish/French/English/Portuguese speaking half-Lebanese people can there be in all of South America? Yeah, a friggin lot... but still.

Oh, wait, you never mentioned Spanish. That should have given it all away.

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Postby Snuffie » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:29 pm

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Woah. Who is this?

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Postby Renzo » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:36 pm

Snuffie wrote:
Renzo wrote:--ImageRemoved--



Woah. Who is this?

According to this, a pseudo-porn star

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby A'nold » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:37 pm

LOL, I had never seen that video before, believe it or not. She is definitely hot and actually a really freaking good dancer, but have you noticed that she's a little thick around the midsection? She has some J-Lo going on there. It's like if she gained anymore weight she wouldn't be hot anymore. That girl has to work out like 24 hours a day to keep that figure.

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Postby Renzo » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:49 pm

A'nold wrote:LOL, I had never seen that video before, believe it or not. She is definitely hot and actually a really freaking good dancer, but have you noticed that she's a little thick around the midsection? She has some J-Lo going on there. It's like if she gained anymore weight she wouldn't be hot anymore. That girl has to work out like 24 hours a day to keep that figure.

Dude, you have lost your goddamn mind. She used to a little thicker, and she was even hotter (if that's possible).

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby A'nold » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:47 pm

Renzo wrote:
A'nold wrote:LOL, I had never seen that video before, believe it or not. She is definitely hot and actually a really freaking good dancer, but have you noticed that she's a little thick around the midsection? She has some J-Lo going on there. It's like if she gained anymore weight she wouldn't be hot anymore. That girl has to work out like 24 hours a day to keep that figure.

Dude, you have lost your goddamn mind. She used to a little thicker, and she was even hotter (if that's possible).


I like the skinny, slender, long look, not really the short and stockier (curvier) look. I'm pretty much talking about hips and butt here, not stomach. But I do like a more narrow stomach than a wider one, regardless if both are fit.

For example, I think Jessica Alba/Keira Knightely >>>>> Shakira, Jessica Beil, Beyonce.

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Postby UCLAtransfer » Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:13 am

Incanate wrote:On a side note - can anybody with transfer experience give me a few pointers on what to write in my PS? What worked for you guys?


I definitely invested a lot of time in my PS. I didn't use anything from my original PS, and spent a lot of time making sure I presented a truly compelling story as to why I wanted to transfer to each school. Obviously, some of it remained the same for different schools (how great I did first year, the classes I got CALI awards in, etc.), but I really personalized them as much as possible. I think that a PS for transferring should be more about why you want to transfer and why you would be a good fit at that school, etc., rather than a PS for admission the first time around, where it was about differentiating yourself or giving them a glimpse of something they wouldn't see elsewhere in your materials.

From what I remember, I had a intro paragraph or so about how my first year of law school reaffirmed my belief that law school and being an attorney were the best thing in the world for me. Then I talked about how great I did first year, and what areas of law I was most interested in (focusing on things that I knew each school was strong in). Last, I tied it all together and wrote a couple paragraphs explaining why X school was the perfect fit for me: location (family ties), networking (strong network of attys I know in the area), programs (named a specific program they are known for), an area of scholarship I am interested in (named a professor or two that are well known in academia from that school), etc.

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Postby apper123 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:16 am

UCLAtransfer wrote:From what I remember, I had a intro paragraph or so about how my first year of law school reaffirmed my belief that law school and being an attorney were the best thing in the world for me. Then I talked about how great I did first year, and what areas of law I was most interested in (focusing on things that I knew each school was strong in). Last, I tied it all together and wrote a couple paragraphs explaining why X school was the perfect fit for me: location (family ties), networking (strong network of attys I know in the area), programs (named a specific program they are known for), an area of scholarship I am interested in (named a professor or two that are well known in academia from that school), etc.


this is pretty much EXACTLY (even down to what was contained in each paragraph and what order you presented the info in) what i wrote in my PS

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Postby A'nold » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:54 am

I didn't add anything about specific professors.

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby Lawl Shcool » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:50 am

My PS is pretty much the same as above too.

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Re: Top 3% at T3 - Question about influence of 'soft' factors

Postby Incanate » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:40 am

Thanks for the PS advice everyone. I'm gonna be spending a good chunk of my spring break week fleshing it out.




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