Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects.. [UPDATED]

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby A'nold » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:14 pm

t14underground wrote:
stinger35 wrote:
t14underground wrote:
A'nold wrote:Now that I really think about it, we know almost every single frequent poster's school on this site. I think you guys are being way too secretive.


I don't really care about what other students think, and I'd actually be surprised if a good number of them didn't know exactly who I am just based on what I wrote.

However, I'm just trying to stay anonymous because I've said a lot of potentially career damaging stuff (e.g. talking badly about the firm that I am working at this summer). I mean if I were to say I attend NU as a t3 transfer and am working at a personal injury firm this summer that pays $37K /year, how many people does that narrow me down to? ... I actually got dinged at a law school I applied to merely based on what I said about the school on TLS, so you'd be surprised as to who lurks this board. Sure the employers might not actively search the board to out people that are talking poorly about them, but if they run a search of something and they run across a TLS post that sounds an awful lot like someone they are interviewing or hired for a SA, they'll look into it.



Seriously? How did they know it was you? Now that actually scares the shit out of me. Was that for transfer or for first-time admissions? Wow.


I gave out way too much information about myself and bad-mouthed the dean of admissions.


Dude, are you a flame? If you are, you are very good at it. You keep dropping in these little way out there things but cover them up immediately with some really good, reasonable comments............is that why you won't give out specifics? Just messing with us?

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby t14underground » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:49 pm

A'nold wrote:Dude, are you a flame? If you are, you are very good at it. You keep dropping in these little way out there things but cover them up immediately with some really good, reasonable comments............is that why you won't give out specifics? Just messing with us?


I'm not sure why that is so unbelievable.. Trust me, I've got better things to do then sit here and "flame."

Look, I'm just posting up information so that people can make a more informed decision on transferring then the jolly leprechauns and buckets of gold career statistics that you are going to find on the school's website (particularly since you'll only find information from the boom period). If you want to put your hands over your ears and disregard everything you read here and just believe that by transferring to a t14 you've bought yourself a golden ticket and everything is going to be great, I'm not stopping you from doing that. In fact, there is a decent possibility that everything might work out for you.

In all reality, I think you can make out that the typical transfer experience to a t14 is going be somewhere between my experience (not working 1L summer, transferring from a t3 to a t10, and not being on a journal) and TransferGuy33's experience (working his 1L summer, transferring from a t2 to a t6, and probably on LR). Prior to OCI this analyst came out and talked to the class about what to expect out of OCI (for native's, not transfers). He said that during the boom if you were over the firm's median GPA (for all the firms you interview with) you could expect around 8 callbacks and 4-5 offers (out of 21 interviews). Now he said to expect 2-3 callbacks and 1-2 offers. For transfers, I would say the median would still be 1 offer, and typical was 0-1 offer. That's not bad odds (i.e. 50/50 odds) but at the same time it sucks being on the 0 offer side of the line (particularly since it was more about how you did in the lottery system for OCI than about your grades).

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby TransferGuy33 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:48 am

I agree... I'll be the first to admit that my results probably aren't typical. The only thing that wasn't luck was choosing the school that seemed to have the best Career Program. I got to interview with virtually every employer I wanted (be it V5 or unranked) as a transfer (I think I ended up with ONE employer that was like my 10th choice that I didn't get), which I hear is actually pretty rare at most schools. I probably also didn't get the big head that many transfers seem to get and overbid. I made sure I had a good sampling of all sorts of employers.

I'll also say, I met lots of introverted people during OCI, but the students I ran into at callbacks all seemed very extroverted. I'm sure you'll be told this, but you're selling yourself in these interviews, so being a passive introvert (this year especially) didn't get you very far. I'm a pretty social person, so I think that took me far.

(I'm typing as I'm thinking... if you can tell) What I think everyone should take from this is t14's advice. Transferring isn't a golden ticket. Interviewers are looking at your 1st summer, past work experience, grades, rank, clubs, personality, etc. ... Notice that none of those things change by transferring. The only things that change by transferring are 1) Opportunity to get interviews with more firms (which is VERY important in this economy) 2) The new school's name on your resume (This is a small boost at best) and 3) Possibly making it onto a journal (but remember, you're probably already on LR at your school, and you'll be lucky to make a secondary journal at the school you transfer to, so it's possible, this might actually be a step down)

So, temper your expectations. But also, remember that your degree sticks with you forever. In 3-5 years when/if you leave your firm, do you want the T14 school on your resume or the T2/3/4 that no one outside your local market knows anything about? So with the T14 schools, you're making a lifetime investment. Clients feel more comfortable with T14 lawyers (which is how V100 firms can justify charging them more [putting a side note here that this is repeating a professor's opinion and not my own]), and you're falling into a much stronger alumni network. You probably aren't going to find many partners from your T3 in Texas, but I'm sure you'll find quite a few from your T14.

I think that's all I have to say about the benefits of transferring. I can be great, it can be terrible, BUT you have to realize that the actual transferring changes very little. The two benefits are more employers will meet you and you'll have a prestigious school to put on your resume for the rest of your life.

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby A'nold » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:28 pm

TransferGuy33 wrote:I agree... I'll be the first to admit that my results probably aren't typical. The only thing that wasn't luck was choosing the school that seemed to have the best Career Program. I got to interview with virtually every employer I wanted (be it V5 or unranked) as a transfer (I think I ended up with ONE employer that was like my 10th choice that I didn't get), which I hear is actually pretty rare at most schools. I probably also didn't get the big head that many transfers seem to get and overbid. I made sure I had a good sampling of all sorts of employers.

I'll also say, I met lots of introverted people during OCI, but the students I ran into at callbacks all seemed very extroverted. I'm sure you'll be told this, but you're selling yourself in these interviews, so being a passive introvert (this year especially) didn't get you very far. I'm a pretty social person, so I think that took me far.

(I'm typing as I'm thinking... if you can tell) What I think everyone should take from this is t14's advice. Transferring isn't a golden ticket. Interviewers are looking at your 1st summer, past work experience, grades, rank, clubs, personality, etc. ... Notice that none of those things change by transferring. The only things that change by transferring are 1) Opportunity to get interviews with more firms (which is VERY important in this economy) 2) The new school's name on your resume (This is a small boost at best) and 3) Possibly making it onto a journal (but remember, you're probably already on LR at your school, and you'll be lucky to make a secondary journal at the school you transfer to, so it's possible, this might actually be a step down)

So, temper your expectations. But also, remember that your degree sticks with you forever. In 3-5 years when/if you leave your firm, do you want the T14 school on your resume or the T2/3/4 that no one outside your local market knows anything about? So with the T14 schools, you're making a lifetime investment. Clients feel more comfortable with T14 lawyers (which is how V100 firms can justify charging them more [putting a side note here that this is repeating a professor's opinion and not my own]), and you're falling into a much stronger alumni network. You probably aren't going to find many partners from your T3 in Texas, but I'm sure you'll find quite a few from your T14.

I think that's all I have to say about the benefits of transferring. I can be great, it can be terrible, BUT you have to realize that the actual transferring changes very little. The two benefits are more employers will meet you and you'll have a prestigious school to put on your resume for the rest of your life.


And......the thread is over. :wink:

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby t14underground » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:59 pm

A'nold wrote:
TransferGuy33 wrote:I agree... I'll be the first to admit that my results probably aren't typical. The only thing that wasn't luck was choosing the school that seemed to have the best Career Program. I got to interview with virtually every employer I wanted (be it V5 or unranked) as a transfer (I think I ended up with ONE employer that was like my 10th choice that I didn't get), which I hear is actually pretty rare at most schools. I probably also didn't get the big head that many transfers seem to get and overbid. I made sure I had a good sampling of all sorts of employers.

I'll also say, I met lots of introverted people during OCI, but the students I ran into at callbacks all seemed very extroverted. I'm sure you'll be told this, but you're selling yourself in these interviews, so being a passive introvert (this year especially) didn't get you very far. I'm a pretty social person, so I think that took me far.

(I'm typing as I'm thinking... if you can tell) What I think everyone should take from this is t14's advice. Transferring isn't a golden ticket. Interviewers are looking at your 1st summer, past work experience, grades, rank, clubs, personality, etc. ... Notice that none of those things change by transferring. The only things that change by transferring are 1) Opportunity to get interviews with more firms (which is VERY important in this economy) 2) The new school's name on your resume (This is a small boost at best) and 3) Possibly making it onto a journal (but remember, you're probably already on LR at your school, and you'll be lucky to make a secondary journal at the school you transfer to, so it's possible, this might actually be a step down)

So, temper your expectations. But also, remember that your degree sticks with you forever. In 3-5 years when/if you leave your firm, do you want the T14 school on your resume or the T2/3/4 that no one outside your local market knows anything about? So with the T14 schools, you're making a lifetime investment. Clients feel more comfortable with T14 lawyers (which is how V100 firms can justify charging them more [putting a side note here that this is repeating a professor's opinion and not my own]), and you're falling into a much stronger alumni network. You probably aren't going to find many partners from your T3 in Texas, but I'm sure you'll find quite a few from your T14.

I think that's all I have to say about the benefits of transferring. I can be great, it can be terrible, BUT you have to realize that the actual transferring changes very little. The two benefits are more employers will meet you and you'll have a prestigious school to put on your resume for the rest of your life.


And......the thread is over. :wink:


Agreed. Obviously, OCI and getting to interview with firms I would not have gotten to interview with otherwise was my primary reason for transferring; however, I'd be full of shit if I said that + the stronger alumni base didn't have a HUGE impact on my final decision to transfer. When you are talking about losing a huge scholarship and ties to another market it's still a huge balancing act, but for me being able to put the more prestigious school on my resume and even more importantly having the huge alumni base in a lot of really high up places is really what tipped the scale towards transferring. I guess I'll have to wait see how it all works out next year. Good luck to everyone going through the transfer cycle and at OCI next year (hopefully you all will have better luck then I did).

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby A'nold » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:33 am

t14underground wrote:
A'nold wrote:
TransferGuy33 wrote:I agree... I'll be the first to admit that my results probably aren't typical. The only thing that wasn't luck was choosing the school that seemed to have the best Career Program. I got to interview with virtually every employer I wanted (be it V5 or unranked) as a transfer (I think I ended up with ONE employer that was like my 10th choice that I didn't get), which I hear is actually pretty rare at most schools. I probably also didn't get the big head that many transfers seem to get and overbid. I made sure I had a good sampling of all sorts of employers.

I'll also say, I met lots of introverted people during OCI, but the students I ran into at callbacks all seemed very extroverted. I'm sure you'll be told this, but you're selling yourself in these interviews, so being a passive introvert (this year especially) didn't get you very far. I'm a pretty social person, so I think that took me far.

(I'm typing as I'm thinking... if you can tell) What I think everyone should take from this is t14's advice. Transferring isn't a golden ticket. Interviewers are looking at your 1st summer, past work experience, grades, rank, clubs, personality, etc. ... Notice that none of those things change by transferring. The only things that change by transferring are 1) Opportunity to get interviews with more firms (which is VERY important in this economy) 2) The new school's name on your resume (This is a small boost at best) and 3) Possibly making it onto a journal (but remember, you're probably already on LR at your school, and you'll be lucky to make a secondary journal at the school you transfer to, so it's possible, this might actually be a step down)

So, temper your expectations. But also, remember that your degree sticks with you forever. In 3-5 years when/if you leave your firm, do you want the T14 school on your resume or the T2/3/4 that no one outside your local market knows anything about? So with the T14 schools, you're making a lifetime investment. Clients feel more comfortable with T14 lawyers (which is how V100 firms can justify charging them more [putting a side note here that this is repeating a professor's opinion and not my own]), and you're falling into a much stronger alumni network. You probably aren't going to find many partners from your T3 in Texas, but I'm sure you'll find quite a few from your T14.

I think that's all I have to say about the benefits of transferring. I can be great, it can be terrible, BUT you have to realize that the actual transferring changes very little. The two benefits are more employers will meet you and you'll have a prestigious school to put on your resume for the rest of your life.


And......the thread is over. :wink:


Agreed. Obviously, OCI and getting to interview with firms I would not have gotten to interview with otherwise was my primary reason for transferring; however, I'd be full of shit if I said that + the stronger alumni base didn't have a HUGE impact on my final decision to transfer. When you are talking about losing a huge scholarship and ties to another market it's still a huge balancing act, but for me being able to put the more prestigious school on my resume and even more importantly having the huge alumni base in a lot of really high up places is really what tipped the scale towards transferring. I guess I'll have to wait see how it all works out next year. Good luck to everyone going through the transfer cycle and at OCI next year (hopefully you all will have better luck then I did).


Sorry for my second accusation of flamery. It's just that the whole DMV + top 5% at a top 10 and also the whole "you weren't accepted b/c you dissed the dean" just totally weirded me out and made it seem like too much. You have given a great deal of good advice and I appreciate it.

Btw- I really do think things will turn out well for you op, just don't lose faith. We are all rooting for you. :)

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Postby krogers » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:46 am

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Postby A'nold » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:43 pm

krogers wrote:without outing myself, i thought i'd add another few data points to help you all out.

i transferred into a ccn, ended up with a lot of callbacks and a lot of offers. i thought my experience was universal among the transfer class, but i later found out it wasn't. ive spoken with a few others. some still have nothing, others admitted they got nothing from our main oci. yet others were swimming in offers.

the only extrapolation i can make? i think a lot depends on the school you transferred from. there are some cornell, uva, duke, michigan transfers in the class and they all seemed to do extremely well. this wasn't paralleled with kids from lower ranked schools (though the post above definitely ruins my theory i guess haha).

this is really the only theory i have. i have no idea what else it came down to. in retrospect, i probably didnt bid conservatively enough and i was definitely worried about striking out. the only other thing i can think of is the "x-factor." some people had it, others didn't.

anyway, all im trying to say is that there seemed to be a clear divide in the quality and quantity of callbacks given to t14 transfers as opposed to non-t14 transfers. this is only after having spoken to maybe 10 or 12 transfers though (i dont really run around asking for people's stats), but this is the only pattern i can think of.


You just crippled like 10 of us with this story, lol.

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Postby krogers » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:48 pm

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Postby krogers » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:54 pm

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Postby yabbadabbado » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:46 pm

Saw this post and thought I would chime in here. I was a tier 2/3/4 transfer to a t14, class of 2010. The main reason everything is so difficult right now is the economy. Transferring up doesn't guarantee you will get a job upon graduation in the current economic climate. That includes big firm jobs as well as public interest jobs or anything else in between. Right now, a large chunk (half, if not more) of graduating students at my school do not have jobs lined up. Being a transfer really has nothing to do with it per se.

A lot of people who did SA gigs at big firms just ended up getting no offered after the summer was over and haven't been able to line anything else up. Most public interest hiring takes place during 3L year and a lot of places that would normally be able to hire simply can't this year because of severe budget constraints. Or they are holding off making hiring decisions until the last minute when they know what their budgets will be. For the few positions that are available, it is insanely competitive right now. Based on what I've heard from the class of 2011, things are even worse. I actually know students in the top 25% that couldn't get a single SA offer out of OCI.

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby dcpolitico » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:01 pm

I haven't read many messages in this thread, but they seem ridiculous so far. The short answer is YES, T14 will help you with OCI and career prospects.

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Postby t14underground » Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:17 pm

Looks like there's somewhere around 10 firms even interviewing 3Ls this upcoming fall (in comparison to the nearly 500 offices coming to interview 2Ls),. It's actually kinda depressing recognizing how screwed I really am because no small law firms practice in any of the areas I'm interested in (i.e. ch.11 corporate reorganization or finance). I really wish last year didn't cost me $70K because, with how much I dislike this personal injury crap I'm doing this summer, I'm pretty sure I would just call it quits at this point and drop out, but I'm so far into debt at this point that it doesn't make a lot of sense not to finish up. What's really ridiculous is that I recently found out that attorneys at this law firm are required to bill 170 hours a month (2050 /year) for that $37K /year. That's more hours than a lot of large law firms require you to bill, so basically 70 hours /week to make $37K /year, WTF? If this is really what my options look like when I'm done, I really don't see myself practicing law ever.

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby Journeybound » Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:56 pm

I'm working at a PI firm, and they don't bill by the hour. I thought that virtually all PI firms did contingent fee only?...

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Postby t14underground » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:29 pm

Journeybound wrote:I'm working at a PI firm, and they don't bill by the hour.


How does that work exactly- are associates there required to bring in a certain amount of revenue each year or something like that?

Journeybound wrote:I thought that virtually all PI firms did contingent fee only?...


We do PI defense.

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Postby 06072010 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:37 pm

dcpolitico wrote:I haven't read many messages in this thread, but they seem ridiculous so far. The short answer is YES, T14 will help you with OCI and career prospects.


The only assistance you get is that you will get in front of firms that wouldn't sniff you before. You still have to show them you're quality. Things worked out for me and my transfer class (2010) pretty well. I've heard rumblings that the transfer class below me got killed.

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Postby 06072010 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:43 pm

Side note: I didn't transfer merely for the short-term employment boost. I am grateful and thankful it worked out, but even if it had not, I would still be happy with my decision. I cannot stress how much better the academic experience was. And I've seen firsthand how my school opens doors that would not have been available to me otherwise. For those that got dinged during OCI, I truly feel for you -- it sucks. But over the long run, I have a feeling that things work out.

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Postby t14underground » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:02 pm

PKSebben wrote: I cannot stress how much better the academic experience was.


I completely agree with this. It's not even funny how much better of the academic experience was this last year than my first year. However, that alone (to me at least) doesn't seem like it was worth the mortgage size debt I've accumulated by attending here. I don't think I'll ever be able to pay it back.

PKSebben wrote:And I've seen firsthand how my school opens doors that would not have been available to me otherwise


Looking back at things, I would kill to have graduated from UG 6 months earlier so that I could be part of the c/o 2010. There's definitely the feel of not having a single door open up by transferring being in the c/o 2011 (except maybe this shitlaw firm I'm at for this summer). Sad thing is almost all the attorneys that I work with went to TTTs, suggesting I might have ended up in the same place had I not transferred.

PKSebben wrote: But over the long run, I have a feeling that things work out.


I sure hope this is true. I got so many personalized rejection letters from law firms that said something along the lines of "it's clear you've been incredibly successful academically. We aren't hiring, but just hang in there, I'm sure you'll find something eventually."

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Postby t14underground » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:47 am

UPDATE—

STATS:
-Top 5-10% at a t10, and 1 publication.

-Worked at a small shitlaw firm this last summer (no permanent offer – but I knew that this wasn’t going to be a possibility going in, and it doesn’t matter considering associates start at $37K /year and work something like 70 hours a week to make the 2100 billable hours requirement).

APPLIED to:
-550 state court clerkships (they are all state supreme or appellate courts)

-3000 law firms across 25 states, including the large majority of the NALP law firms

RECEIVED:
-2 state court clerkship interviews in out in the middle of nowhere states. I really have no desire to end up in either of these states. I just applied because I figured I didn’t have much to lose, but now that I think about it, there’s really no way it is going to be worth it to clerk in either of these states (because I’d rather not practice law at all than to end up at either of these states on a permanent basis). I might just cancel these interviews.

-1 SMALL shitlaw firm interview (which told me that they will not know what there hiring needs are until spring and that they will not be making any offers until then).

REJECTED:
-Basically everywhere else that I’ve heard back from. It’s ridiculous my snail mailbox is completely filled on a daily basis now with rejection letters, and I get like 80 emails a day with rejections from law firms.

CONCLUDING THOUGHTS:
I seriously think I would just drop out at this point if I weren’t already so deep in debt where it really makes no difference. What a waste of money and time college, in general, is. I think I’m at peace with the fact that I probably won’t ever get to practice law (as a career anyways), and am looking at going back to the “DMV” (hopefully they will hire me back after this whole escapade). But if I ever have kids I sure as hell won’t be pushing them to go to college (like my parent’s did with me) because it seriously is such as waste of time and a shitload of money that you don’t have. Sure things might work out for you when things are good, but there’s really no way to know that things will be good in X year and it’s really not worth it when things are bad (because you won’t be in any better of a place as a result of it).

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects.. [UPDATED]

Postby Journeybound » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:32 pm

Dude, that sucks. I'm really sorry.

On a more positive note, I spoke with a transfer to MVBP a few weeks ago who came from a T40-50. He said that he got 26 interviews between mailing cover letters and OCI (23 from OCI). And from those, he got 6 call backs and 2 offers. He mentioned that most of the other transfers had similar results. Also, he said that he loved his new school and classmates and doesn't regret the transfer or extra debt one bit. This got me stoked about my upcoming transfer.

So it doesn't appear that transferring is all doom and gloom for everyone. Good luck!

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects.. [UPDATED]

Postby stinger35 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:03 pm

I'd be lying if I said that this doesn't scare the living shit out of me. It just doesn't compute in my mind. How can there be absolutely no job prospects for a top 5-10% t10 student?

As someone transferring to MVP, this post really doesn't effect me, since I am already doing it. I suppose I should just start praying that OCI works out...or something. Shit.

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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby apper123 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:04 pm

t14underground wrote:UPDATE—

STATS:
-Top 5-10% at a t10, and 1 publication.

-Worked at a small shitlaw firm this last summer (no permanent offer – but I knew that this wasn’t going to be a possibility going in, and it doesn’t matter considering associates start at $37K /year and work something like 70 hours a week to make the 2100 billable hours requirement).

APPLIED to:
-550 state court clerkships (they are all state supreme or appellate courts)

-3000 law firms across 25 states, including the large majority of the NALP law firms

RECEIVED:
-2 state court clerkship interviews in out in the middle of nowhere states. I really have no desire to end up in either of these states. I just applied because I figured I didn’t have much to lose, but now that I think about it, there’s really no way it is going to be worth it to clerk in either of these states (because I’d rather not practice law at all than to end up at either of these states on a permanent basis). I might just cancel these interviews.

-1 SMALL shitlaw firm interview (which told me that they will not know what there hiring needs are until spring and that they will not be making any offers until then).

REJECTED:
-Basically everywhere else that I’ve heard back from. It’s ridiculous my snail mailbox is completely filled on a daily basis now with rejection letters, and I get like 80 emails a day with rejections from law firms.

CONCLUDING THOUGHTS:
I seriously think I would just drop out at this point if I weren’t already so deep in debt where it really makes no difference. What a waste of money and time college, in general, is. I think I’m at peace with the fact that I probably won’t ever get to practice law (as a career anyways), and am looking at going back to the “DMV” (hopefully they will hire me back after this whole escapade). But if I ever have kids I sure as hell won’t be pushing them to go to college (like my parent’s did with me) because it seriously is such as waste of time and a shitload of money that you don’t have. Sure things might work out for you when things are good, but there’s really no way to know that things will be good in X year and it’s really not worth it when things are bad (because you won’t be in any better of a place as a result of it).


lol

stinger35
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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects, etc.

Postby stinger35 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:10 pm

apper123 wrote:
t14underground wrote:UPDATE—

STATS:
-Top 5-10% at a t10, and 1 publication.

-Worked at a small shitlaw firm this last summer (no permanent offer – but I knew that this wasn’t going to be a possibility going in, and it doesn’t matter considering associates start at $37K /year and work something like 70 hours a week to make the 2100 billable hours requirement).

APPLIED to:
-550 state court clerkships (they are all state supreme or appellate courts)

-3000 law firms across 25 states, including the large majority of the NALP law firms

RECEIVED:
-2 state court clerkship interviews in out in the middle of nowhere states. I really have no desire to end up in either of these states. I just applied because I figured I didn’t have much to lose, but now that I think about it, there’s really no way it is going to be worth it to clerk in either of these states (because I’d rather not practice law at all than to end up at either of these states on a permanent basis). I might just cancel these interviews.

-1 SMALL shitlaw firm interview (which told me that they will not know what there hiring needs are until spring and that they will not be making any offers until then).

REJECTED:
-Basically everywhere else that I’ve heard back from. It’s ridiculous my snail mailbox is completely filled on a daily basis now with rejection letters, and I get like 80 emails a day with rejections from law firms.

CONCLUDING THOUGHTS:
I seriously think I would just drop out at this point if I weren’t already so deep in debt where it really makes no difference. What a waste of money and time college, in general, is. I think I’m at peace with the fact that I probably won’t ever get to practice law (as a career anyways), and am looking at going back to the “DMV” (hopefully they will hire me back after this whole escapade). But if I ever have kids I sure as hell won’t be pushing them to go to college (like my parent’s did with me) because it seriously is such as waste of time and a shitload of money that you don’t have. Sure things might work out for you when things are good, but there’s really no way to know that things will be good in X year and it’s really not worth it when things are bad (because you won’t be in any better of a place as a result of it).


lol


I wish I could laugh. I also wish it was just a flame.

shmoo597
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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects.. [UPDATED]

Postby shmoo597 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:18 pm

Journeybound wrote:On a more positive note, I spoke with a transfer to MVBP a few weeks ago who came from a T40-50. He said that he got 26 interviews between mailing cover letters and OCI (23 from OCI). And from those, he got 6 call backs and 2 offers. He mentioned that most of the other transfers had similar results. Also, he said that he loved his new school and classmates and doesn't regret the transfer or extra debt one bit. This got me stoked about my upcoming transfer.



Yea, I'm sorry to hear how things worked out for you, t14underground, but everything that I have heard from current and past transfers runs counter to your experience. A good friend of mine who transferred to CLS has 27 interviews at OCI this year. At the t6 I am transferring too, OCS told me that transfers typically outperform the rest of the class, and to expect 20-25 interviews. NYassociate on the legal employment boards has said over and over that transfers are NOT looked on as median or below, but typically as top students (though of course not the very top) at their new school. Obviously I have not gone through OCI as a transfer yet, but I have every reason to anticipate that transferring will turn out to have been the correct decision.

What t14 are you? I know at NYU/CLS, 70% of people last year (the worst year ever) got jobs through OCI, and I know that at NYU, the number for transfers was slightly higher. If your school had a 70% strike out rate for transfers, what was the offer rate for actual students? Maybe your school was just getting especially slammed (GULC)?

Machine Spirit
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Re: Transferring into the t14, OCI, career prospects.. [UPDATED]

Postby Machine Spirit » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:25 pm

shmoo597 wrote:Yea, I'm sorry to hear how things worked out for you, t14underground, but everything that I have heard from current and past transfers runs counter to your experience. A good friend of mine who transferred to CLS has 27 interviews at OCI this year.


She received interviews for 27 out of her 30 bids? :? That may be more indicative of her bidding on firms that weren't in demand, rather than the typical bid pool of all CLS students.




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