dudester wrote:I didn't say NLJ 250 placement is the correct metric, so I'm not sure why you purport to have quoted me. I'm not one to get involved in debates online, so here goes my final post on this topic.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. For the record, my goal is not to get into a flame war or a pointless debate. I am trying to understand the different points that people are making; I appreciate you clarifying your thoughts.
Dignan wrote:There is a significant difference--with respect to salary, prestige, and future job opportunities--between the top of that list and the bottom.
As far as I know, we're comparing Cornell and CLS, not the top and the bottom of that list.
Right. But the link I quoted seems to suggest that Cornell tends to place more towards the bottom half of the list while CLS tends to place in the top half. If you (or anyone else) has better data on this, it would be cool to see it.
Dignan wrote:I've seen data that suggests that CLS places much better than Cornell into elite firms.
You can base your decision on the likelihood of getting hired by an "elite" firm -whatever your definition of that is- coming out of Cornell and CLS. If I recall correctly, como made his analysis based on your chances of landing a big law job with market pay not of getting hired by a V5 firm.
But it's not just the V5. In the link I posted (which, to be fair, is just for SA jobs), CLS places twice as well as Cornell all the way down to the V100 level.
Again, I'm not responding just for the sake of debate. If people have data--or even just anecdotes--that suggest that the differences between Cornell and CLS are not as great as some seem to believe, I would like to hear about them.
If you're taking anecdotes, here goes:
I can tell you that all the 3Ls I know (maybe 10 or so) have pretty awesome jobs lined up [V10 to CoA clerkships], although, fwiw, probably half of those people are on law review. I haven't heard any 3L woes, but that brings me to the current 2Ls. For the most part, they did not fare so well...
I've heard of dean's list people (top 30%) on journals who had no luck by the new year. I heard that roughly 1/4 got SA gigs (and law review pretty much goes to 1/5 of the class, between grade-ons and write-ons). There may have been considerably more 2Ls that are doing some cool PI work, but I'm not sure. These are just the horror stories that trickled down to my class. I don't know many 2Ls, but the consensus was -- last year sucked. Even firms coming to wine and dine the 1L class admit that the 2Ls got a tough break. They 'say' things look different this year and for their firm, but I am weary of their representations.
So far, almost everyone I know in the 1L class (and I know a large percentage of the class, or at least get their feeds on fb) has been getting some pretty great 1L summer gigs. SA jobs were pretty much out of the picture, but I do know a guy splitting a summer with a well-paying firm in a smaller market and a district judge. I can't really count on two hands the number of people interning in chambers of district judges, one person I know is doing DoJ, a handful working in various US Attorneys offices, some state attorney generals' offices, a few prestigious federal regulation gigs in DC, and a bunch are doing interesting PI stuff or research assistantships with professors. I'm not really sure what peoples' grades were, but the sheer number of people with jobs necessarily implies a large proportion of the class. Things look slightly better, but our class is still scared.
Hope that paints a little bit of a candid picture.