Duke Class of 2013

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby mec30 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:33 pm

quakeroats wrote:Duke’s preformed outstandingly well, far above all of its peers and more in line with Columbia than Michigan or Virginia. After compiling this I later used the new ABA data for students practicing in New York which moved Duke into first place. Using the same ABA data I ran a larger analysis comparing Chicago and Duke over the entire Vault 100. While Chicago maintained some advantage through the first 25 firms this diminished to a virtual tie by the 100th firm.

I can think of the usual problems (small sample size, self-selection, etc.) with a survey like this, but I thought this could further the discussion in some small way. If nothing else, it can serve as a way of distinguishing Duke from MVPB for those interested in New York.


I'm not Duke 2013 but I stumbled upon your post (slow day at work). Interesting stuff. But it does seems to penalize schools in large markets whose top students would likely be offered the same pay at a non-V8 but still very prestigious firms; I'm talking about Michigan, Northwestern, and GULC. Also it seems to penalize schools whose lower gpa graduates would end up in NY anyway like Columbia, NYU, and Cornell.

Nevertheless it probably would work well for schools not near a major market like UVA, Duke, and Penn.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby quakeroats » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:51 pm

mec30 wrote:
quakeroats wrote:Duke’s preformed outstandingly well, far above all of its peers and more in line with Columbia than Michigan or Virginia. After compiling this I later used the new ABA data for students practicing in New York which moved Duke into first place. Using the same ABA data I ran a larger analysis comparing Chicago and Duke over the entire Vault 100. While Chicago maintained some advantage through the first 25 firms this diminished to a virtual tie by the 100th firm.

I can think of the usual problems (small sample size, self-selection, etc.) with a survey like this, but I thought this could further the discussion in some small way. If nothing else, it can serve as a way of distinguishing Duke from MVPB for those interested in New York.


I'm not Duke 2013 but I stumbled upon your post (slow day at work). Interesting stuff. But it does seems to penalize schools in large markets whose top students would likely be offered the same pay at a non-V8 but still very prestigious firms; I'm talking about Michigan, Northwestern, and GULC. Also it seems to penalize schools whose lower gpa graduates would end up in NY anyway like Columbia, NYU, and Cornell.

Nevertheless it probably would work well for schools not near a major market like UVA, Duke, and Penn.


I'd agree with your critique as fas as Northwestern is concerned. Since Michigan places a plurality of its grads in New York (not to mention the other reasons I cited in a prior post) I think the comparison there is pretty apt. I didn't look at Georgetown but I suspect that having 600 grads would put it at the bottom of any assessment. This assessment probably does penalize schools like Columbia and NYU, but other data help make the picture clearer in those cases as they do for Penn and Cornell.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby someones alt » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:58 pm

What kind of hat should I wear with my seersucker suit for OCI? Alternatively I was thinking a 3 piece all white 3 button suit w/ gold tipped cane.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Jericwithers » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:09 pm

someones alt wrote:What kind of hat should I wear with my seersucker suit for OCI? Alternatively I was thinking a 3 piece all white 3 button suit w/ gold tipped cane.


You have no chance at OCI success unless you are wearing a suit selected from the below website.

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You're welcome.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby someones alt » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:19 pm

tbf, I really don't have the build to wear any english cut suits

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Jericwithers » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:25 pm

someones alt wrote:tbf, I really don't have the build to wear any english cut suits


Not really sure what english cut means, but leave it to wikipedia to put in picture form exactly what I was imagining:
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EDIT: Btw, this would be a very bold look for OCI.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby someones alt » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:35 pm

Still, it's not bold enough w/o a monacle

English cut suits are generally more boxy and have wider shoulders for men who are more broad or just wider in general. Essentially, with an english cut the breadth of the shoulder allows the sides to pinch in and give a man shape. The other kind of cut is Italian, and its generally for leaner or slimmer men w/o as broad shoulders. The suit is cut slimmer and has more waist suppression to create shape.

IIRC what you look like, an Italian cut would probably look better on you.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby thickfreakness » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:37 pm

I found this the other day, thought it would be a good outfit with a multitude of uses, OCI included.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby someones alt » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:39 pm

thickfreakness wrote:I found this the other day, thought it would be a good outfit with a multitude of uses, OCI included.

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I would have gone with a black rose, but otherwise very good. Pair it with homemade cutoff khakis to complete the business casual look.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Jericwithers » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:12 pm

Passport prices went up $35 yesterday. Damn my procrastination!

Thick, aren't you afraid you will be overdressed in that shirt? I think a rose of any color would be over doing it.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby thickfreakness » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:23 pm

Jericwithers wrote:Passport prices went up $35 yesterday. Damn my procrastination!

Thick, aren't you afraid you will be overdressed in that shirt? I think a rose of any color would be over doing it.


Whatevs. The firms will see the rose as a symbol of how I'll go the extra mile when I'm working for them, since I went the extra mile to make my wardrobe stand out in such a professional manner. Thing is, I don't actually have to buy a fresh rose for each interview since the shirt comes with a highly realistic one already. The symbolic effect is retained, and my cost-conscious wardrobe decisions will no doubt impart to the interviewers that I know how to get more out of less. Efficiency is at a premium ITE, you know. Ask me how it worked when I'm raking in my year end bonus at Wachtell in 3 and a half years.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Jericwithers » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:53 pm

thickfreakness wrote:
Jericwithers wrote:Passport prices went up $35 yesterday. Damn my procrastination!

Thick, aren't you afraid you will be overdressed in that shirt? I think a rose of any color would be over doing it.


Whatevs. The firms will see the rose as a symbol of how I'll go the extra mile when I'm working for them, since I went the extra mile to make my wardrobe stand out in such a professional manner. Thing is, I don't actually have to buy a fresh rose for each interview since the shirt comes with a highly realistic one already. The symbolic effect is retained, and my cost-conscious wardrobe decisions will no doubt impart to the interviewers that I know how to get more out of less. Efficiency is at a premium ITE, you know. Ask me how it worked when I'm raking in my year end bonus at Wachtell in 3 and a half years.


Roses are obviously rated on a curve with highly realistic symbols coming in below median (above computer print-outs but below plastic). With that shirt you are looking at a sub-market paying biglaw job in a secondary market. I plan to use one of these babies and land a Supreme Court clerkship:
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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby johndh » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:20 pm

anyone been able to find a good deal on cable and internet?

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Reedie » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:21 pm

These numbers are pretty interesting. Duke is putting about the same number of students into V10 New York jobs as Virginia and Michigan despite having a smaller class size. My guess would be the biggest problem with this list would not be geography, but rather the number of top students headed into NYC from any given school that do not want to work at a big fancy shmancy firm.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby cavebat2000 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:31 pm

johndh wrote:anyone been able to find a good deal on cable and internet?


Timewarner HD cable + 7mb/s internet is about $90. Seems pretty resonable to me considering an unlimited data plan on an Iphone is $90.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Jericwithers » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:42 pm

Reedie wrote:These numbers are pretty interesting. Duke is putting about the same number of students into V10 New York jobs as Virginia and Michigan despite having a smaller class size. My guess would be the biggest problem with this list would not be geography, but rather the number of top students headed into NYC from any given school that do not want to work at a big fancy shmancy firm.


So you're insinuating that Duke grads are shallow and only go after the prestigious firms paying big monies?

....I'll buy that.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Reedie » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:59 pm

Jericwithers wrote:
Reedie wrote:These numbers are pretty interesting. Duke is putting about the same number of students into V10 New York jobs as Virginia and Michigan despite having a smaller class size. My guess would be the biggest problem with this list would not be geography, but rather the number of top students headed into NYC from any given school that do not want to work at a big fancy shmancy firm.


So you're insinuating that Duke grads are shallow and only go after the prestigious firms paying big monies?

....I'll buy that.


I think that is part of why NYU doesn't do better. I'm not sure if it explains much about Duke doing better than Virginia and Michigan.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby poprox » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:15 pm

Jericwithers wrote:
someones alt wrote:What kind of hat should I wear with my seersucker suit for OCI? Alternatively I was thinking a 3 piece all white 3 button suit w/ gold tipped cane.


You have no chance at OCI success unless you are wearing a suit selected from the below website.

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You're welcome.


You sir have excellent taste. I own two of these (grey and navy blue); I bought them last year especially for interviews during law school. The cut of that suit is very flattering to my runner's build. When I tried one on in the store, the rep called all of the other workers over to see since it was such a perfect fit. They literally just had to finish the pant bottoms when the suit arrived from the factory - everything else was already spot-on. :shock:

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Jericwithers » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:18 pm

poprox wrote:You sir have excellent taste. I own two of these (grey and navy blue); I bought them last year especially for interviews during law school. The cut of that suit is very flattering to my runner's build. When I tried one on in the store, the rep called all of the other workers over to see since it was such a perfect fit. They literally just had to finish the pant bottoms when the suit arrived from the factory - everything else was already spot-on. :shock:


You deserve all the credit for good taste since you bought one.



I watched 'The Paper Chase' last night,

**Spoiler Alert**

but I think I missed the point because I was truly upset when he did not check his final grades at the end of the movie.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby beantowngunnahh » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:39 pm

Jericwithers wrote:
poprox wrote:You sir have excellent taste. I own two of these (grey and navy blue); I bought them last year especially for interviews during law school. The cut of that suit is very flattering to my runner's build. When I tried one on in the store, the rep called all of the other workers over to see since it was such a perfect fit. They literally just had to finish the pant bottoms when the suit arrived from the factory - everything else was already spot-on. :shock:


You deserve all the credit for good taste since you bought one.



I watched 'The Paper Chase' last night,

**Spoiler Alert**

but I think I missed the point because I was truly upset when he did not check his final grades at the end of the movie.


I was more disturbed by the guy who tried to kill himself. I can't believe someone actually recommended this movie to me!!

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Jericwithers » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:09 pm

beantowngunnahh wrote:
Jericwithers wrote:I watched 'The Paper Chase' last night,

**Spoiler Alert**

but I think I missed the point because I was truly upset when he did not check his final grades at the end of the movie.


I was more disturbed by the guy who tried to kill himself. I can't believe someone actually recommended this movie to me!!


Haha ya that was a downer. That character helped me to understand that even being at the bottom of the class isn't the end of the world. Joe Biden was bottom of his class, and I would say he (almost) made it. Its better to be the guy at the bottom than 'Liberty' Bell who kept threatening to withhold his 800 page outline. Overall I enjoyed the movie (though I think I might avoid study groups lol).

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby someones alt » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:46 pm

poprox wrote:
Jericwithers wrote:
someones alt wrote:What kind of hat should I wear with my seersucker suit for OCI? Alternatively I was thinking a 3 piece all white 3 button suit w/ gold tipped cane.


You have no chance at OCI success unless you are wearing a suit selected from the below website.

--LinkRemoved--

You're welcome.


You sir have excellent taste. I own two of these (grey and navy blue); I bought them last year especially for interviews during law school. The cut of that suit is very flattering to my runner's build. When I tried one on in the store, the rep called all of the other workers over to see since it was such a perfect fit. They literally just had to finish the pant bottoms when the suit arrived from the factory - everything else was already spot-on. :shock:


lol I remember when I used to work retail and we would have sales competitions w/ prizes I would do this exact thing anytime someone tried on something expensive.

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby someones alt » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:11 pm

I saw your post before you deleted it Jeric 8)

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Jericwithers » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:24 pm

someones alt wrote:I saw your post before you deleted it Jeric 8)


Hah. The previously deleted phrase is rarely meant as a compliment, but I always take it as one :mrgreen:

EDIT: clarity

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Re: Duke Class of 2013

Postby Jericwithers » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:29 pm

I now have primers for contracts, civ pro, and torts. With my luck I will have none of these courses for the fall semester.

How is LEEWS working out for you, paralegal?




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